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[Canned Bullets]

If you are desperate for DA3 (for whatever reason) just buy it used so EA doesn't get the sales numbers. I don't think DA3 is going to be any good and EA will just buy out the reviewers anyways.

[kegNeggs]

ill check it out sure. lets hope there's more than 3 room designs

[cogsandcurls]

RoyalGambit wrote...

Just out of curiosity: what's the main complaints about DA2? That it was dumbed down?

Even those of us who loved it (like me) tend to agree that it has pacing issues and the environments aren't great, in that there's one warehouse, one cave and one house which get reused over and over for virtually sidequest in the game. It also has problems with the way enemy encounters work re: waves. Most/all of this was fixed in the DLC, but those are the flaws the vanilla game suffered from.

Beyond that, I'm not qualified to comment, as the reasons people dislike it vary wildly and I don't want to speak for anyone.

[Dark Specie]

Sure, I feel sorry for them, in a sense. But after DA2 & ME3, I simply don't quite trust Bioware. I'm paying for gold, not fool's gold. I won't preorder, that's for sure, but assuming I hear good things and something's done about the ME3 endings, I may buy the game later the same week at most. At worst, I'll simply wait until the price drops quite low or something...

[atum]

RoyalGambit wrote...

Just out of curiosity: what's the main complaints about DA2? That it was dumbed down?

IIRC The three main/common complaints were:

1) Environments / map reused way too often

2) Story did not have an over-arching theme.  Each act was like a separate story.

3) Too much ninja-jade-empire-BS from Laidlaw, not enough Dragon Age RPG


Personally I really liked DA2, but I think the complaints were valid.   After ME3, I am very concerned for DA3, but I will wait and see.

[sasusori]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Bioware is working so hard on the game and it may very well be a great game but thanks to Mass Effect 3's failure it may fail anyways.
We should be willing to give Bioware a chance.  Just because Mass Effect 3 sucked does not mean we should take it out on Dragon Age III, it might be what redeems Bioware afterall since we now all know for certain that the indoctrination theory is a load of crap.

me buying it depends on two things,
1. will they fix the ending, 
2. will it be free

if both answers are yes then i will by dragon age III, if only 1 is a yes then i will buy the ending and never buy another EA or bioware game again, a shame too, i buy madden every other year

and no i dont think the money i am no longer buying with will hurt them, but its the principal of the thing, im too invested in to mass effect to not get an ending, but if they screw me on this then how am i supposed to trust them again?

[Jarcander]

RoyalGambit wrote...

Just out of curiosity: what's the main complaints about DA2? That it was dumbed down?

There is quite a comprehensive list, but my main points would be as follows:

- massive recycling of game envinronments (revisit every place 5 times or so)
- lack of variety in envinronments, vastly inferior to DA:O
- riddiculous waves of enemies spawning out of nowhere
- much more action oriented combat system like in ME2, except that this one isn't very good compared to... again, DA:O
- stupid character animation, mainly for mages (are they dancing or fighting?)

Some also didn't like the ending, but I liked it. Additionally, people didn't like many of the companion characters, but I found them sufficiently different from DA:O.

[Drenick18]

not touching anything by Bioware until they clean up their act. (or ideally, leave EA)

[cogsandcurls]

MustacheManatee wrote...

RoyalGambit wrote...

Just out of curiosity: what's the main complaints about DA2? That it was dumbed down?

The combat was changed to be more hack and slash(which didnt bother me one bit), and the RPG elements were downplayed and simplified just like ME2. Also, they reused SEVERAL enviroment layouts, which is just plain lazy. Also, some people were annoyed that the ENTIRE game took place in Kirkwall with no option to explore anywhere else.

This is only a small sample of what people hated. Despite those valid complaints, I think DA:O is extremely over rated, and the silent protaginist just kills it for me. Same thing with Skyrim. Loved the gameplay, didnt care about the chatacter or the story. 

I loved DA 2, but I hated that trailer reveal for DA 3. So, I will just have to wait and see.

Hawke FTW!

Just FYI the "Trailer Reveal" for DA3 that's been doing the rounds for months is actually footage from the Witcher 2. Dragon Age 3 hasn't even been "officially" announced yet, hence the DA team only being able to say "We have stopped working on the DA2 DLC to concentrate on making another game that is Dragon Age-related" and nothing beyond that at this point.

[Dark Specie]

Jarcander wrote...

RoyalGambit wrote...

Just out of curiosity: what's the main complaints about DA2? That it was dumbed down?

There is quite a comprehensive list, but my main points would be as follows:

- massive recycling of game envinronments (revisit every place 5 times or so)
- lack of variety in envinronments, vastly inferior to DA:O
- riddiculous waves of enemies spawning out of nowhere
- much more action oriented combat system like in ME2, except that this one isn't very good compared to... again, DA:O
- stupid character animation, mainly for mages (are they dancing or fighting?)

Some also didn't like the ending, but I liked it. Additionally, people didn't like many of the companion characters, but I found them sufficiently different from DA:O.

I'll add that it also suffered from being a bit too linear/railroaded...

[Fruit of the Doom]

Jarcander wrote...

RoyalGambit wrote...

Just out of curiosity: what's the main complaints about DA2? That it was dumbed down?

There is quite a comprehensive list, but my main points would be as follows:

- massive recycling of game envinronments (revisit every place 5 times or so)
- lack of variety in envinronments, vastly inferior to DA:O
- riddiculous waves of enemies spawning out of nowhere
- much more action oriented combat system like in ME2, except that this one isn't very good compared to... again, DA:O
- stupid character animation, mainly for mages (are they dancing or fighting?)

Some also didn't like the ending, but I liked it. Additionally, people didn't like many of the companion characters, but I found them sufficiently different from DA:O.

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[streamlock]

You destroy the fade and hawk becomes the new maker-Yay!

[GuardianAngel470]

Not particularly, I probably wasn't going to buy it anyway.

[TexasToast712]

Loved DAO
Loved DA2
Loved ME3
Will probably love the hell out of DA3.

[atum]

Jarcander wrote...
- riddiculous waves of enemies spawning out of nowhere

I forgot about that.  It became even more annoying when they nerfed one-shotting stuff with DW Rouges.  It was one of the ways to rush through all those waves a bit more quickly.

All I could think was why in the hell would they nerf-patch a single player game?

[azereus2]

to know what is going to be inside the dragons age 3 retail, just watch the production videos they will put on the youtube channel, listen to what the producers promises inside those videos and then do a simple math. features-( minus )what ever they promised = retail.

so if they tell you, customisable clases, be sure it wont be there
if they say open world, be sure it wont be there or it will be very very incomplete.
what ever the producers say on the youtube videos be sure it wont be there.

[Gill Kaiser]

All they need to do to win back my trust is to make a good game that adequately lives up to Dragon Age: Origins. I want the same length, lore, attention to detail, number of options, character customisation and level of consequence that we got in that game.

Unlike a number of people, I had no problem with the move to a voiced protagonist or the art style changes in DA2. What was unacceptable was the obvious rushed nature of the entire game, the sense that they were half-assing and simplifying everything (look at the descriptions on even minor loot in DA:O compared with the multitude of loot with names like "ring" and "boots" in DA2). The main plot didn't flow very well either, and the loss of the isometric camera and the addition of endless wave spawns were dire mistakes.

There's nothing there that can't be fixed. All they need is to learn their lessons from DA2 and spend significantly, significantly more time on DA3.

[noxsachi]

I loved DAII, despite it's major flaws.
ME3's ending is so bad that it ruins something I love.
DAIII kinda has to be outstanding to get me to buy it, especially with the backlash against DAII. I loved Hawke, I want to keep playing her, and the /last/ thing I want is to be another Warden. And given that people all complained about not being a Warden and how they hated DAII, so in some sense hated Hawke...it does not look good for her.

[Fingertrip]

Don't know anything about Dragon Age 3, so I can't really say much about it. I don't think anyone can, without being abit presumptionous, which is just ridicilous.

For all what's worth, Dragon Age 3 when it gets released can be the game of the decade, and all the haters are going to end up looking mighty stupid. Or it's going to suck and it'll be a vise-versa situation.

Pretty pointless to even discuss without seeing anything of it.

[Jarcander]

Dark Specie wrote...

I'll add that it also suffered from being a bit too linear/railroaded...

Ah yes, they dismissed the claims of DA:O semi-open world approach's success. A worthy addition to the list.

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[jds1bio]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Since the same team that works on Mass Effect is not the same team that works on Dragon Age, whether or not you feel sorry for them, is made irrelevant by that fact.

Then it's worse, because both teams made the same mistakes.

[Lord of Mu]

Dark Specie wrote...

Jarcander wrote...

RoyalGambit wrote...

Just out of curiosity: what's the main complaints about DA2? That it was dumbed down?

There is quite a comprehensive list, but my main points would be as follows:

- massive recycling of game envinronments (revisit every place 5 times or so)
- lack of variety in envinronments, vastly inferior to DA:O
- riddiculous waves of enemies spawning out of nowhere
- much more action oriented combat system like in ME2, except that this one isn't very good compared to... again, DA:O
- stupid character animation, mainly for mages (are they dancing or fighting?)

Some also didn't like the ending, but I liked it. Additionally, people didn't like many of the companion characters, but I found them sufficiently different from DA:O.

I'll add that it also suffered from being a bit too linear/railroaded...

I'll judge the product on its own. However, I certainly don't want to see any of these things in DA3.

I'd also like to see more freedom with companion specs, DA2 really felt like we were forced to use certain companions for certain roles because they were just better at it.

[Joush]

Dragon Age 3 is going to be awful. The Mage-Templar conflict is something that they totally failed to make compelling when they focused all of Dragon Age 2 on it and the game play of ME3 will be a mess too, judging by DA 2.

[jds1bio]

atum wrote...

Jarcander wrote...
- riddiculous waves of enemies spawning out of nowhere

I forgot about that.  It became even more annoying when they nerfed one-shotting stuff with DW Rouges.  It was one of the ways to rush through all those waves a bit more quickly.

All I could think was why in the hell would they nerf-patch a single player game?

Sorry, that's not the worst mechanic in the game.  The worst is having to dump your character points into the same two stats the entire game if you want to ensure access to the better armor and weapons.

[DocDoomII]

Dragon Age III?
Who the hell cares. I want Dragon Age: Origins II