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[Kuraiken]

Arkley wrote...

I've seen this more times than I care to count on this forums and others. While I, like most of you, am not inclined to spend real money on video game guns, the mockery - and by extension, discouragement - of those who do needs to stop for the following simple reasons:

The more money that is spent on equipment packs, the more viable ME3's multiplayer seems as a money-making device, and thus, the more likely it is to be supported with content-rick expansions. It is the people who spend money on ME3's MP that are encouraging - and to a lesser extent, funding - the development of future content.

More importantly, those people increase the likelyhood that future content will be free. If ME3's multiplayer can create sustainable income without the necessity of charging for additional content, Bioware/EA is less likely to risk segregating the playerbase by introducing content only accessible to paying users. After all, those paying users need people to play with, and the number of people playing will begin dwindle if some cannot access new content.

Now, I'm by no means imploring you to spend any money on ME3's multiplayer if you're not so inclined. I have personally only used MSP leftover from XBLA purchases to buy a couple of Spectre packs here and there. I'm just asking you not to deride the people who do; it is they who are potentially brightening the future of ME3's multiplayer for the rest of us.

Well yeah, I'm all against *mocking* them, but discouraging them? Yes.
Because there is simply no positive side to it.

You claim that it *funds* something and that it would allow free dlcs, but that's inaccurate.
Yes, with some companies that works, but those are companies that don't have EA as publisher.
With EA or Activision, any buck earned is profit, and the more willing people are to use money, the more they should be encouraged to spend more money.

So when one of the corresponding EA department realizes that lots and lots of people spend money on packs that consist of gambling, then they will adjust the chances slightly in favor of useless items instead of positive items, to ensure that the average payer has to pay more to really get all that he wants to get. An increase in useable items in 10%, would mean that profit may be raised by up to 10%. And for people who buy packs that provide useable items only, they may reduce the amount of items you get, so you have to buy more to be well supplied.
You have to discern between the people who try to produce a "fun product" and the people who publish it and are entirely uninterested in the product itself, but only on the money it provides.

Similarily, money spend on online content won't buy "free dlc" for the community, but will be considered as an additional source of income. Income that is not related to fixed costs and thus is immediately a net profit. Why would they then offer something for free, when the used up and boring content itself will require anyone who wants to play multiplayer to buy this pay dlc?

So unfortunately, your theory doesn't work on areas where the publisher or the people who are only interested on profit have to much influence. As a result, none of those expenses will ever be beneficial to any player. Other companies would do it differently, mind you, but Bioware doesn't have free reign over their product.

[Chrumpek]

niko20 wrote...

To me, time is money. You can either spend a few hours and earn some credits or you can buy points to get stuff instead and save that time. If i have some extra money then why not save my time? Heck ya i'll buy packs if i feel like it.

This doesn't make any sense.....

[Chrumpek]

uzivatel wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

niko20 wrote...

To me, time is money. You can either spend a few hours and earn some credits or you can buy points to get stuff instead and save that time. If i have some extra money then why not save my time? Heck ya i'll buy packs if i feel like it.

If this game equates to work for you, I'm not sure why you play it.

Some people only enjoy playing with friends, to them playing with random people only to get credits to buy stuff may equal to work...

This also doesn't make sense....

[niko20]

tvih wrote...

Each to their own for how to spend their money, but I just don't see the point of buying packs with money. Why do it? To get gear? What for? You can already play with what you have. Not good enough stuff for higher difficulties? Heck, then that just means there's enough challenge at the lower challenge levels already. Therefore... what's the point?

But, as long as people don't steal my money to buy for their packs, they can of course feel free to knock themselves out.

Because otherwise it takes time, time that people also find valuable.

[Arkley]

Kuraiken wrote...

Arkley wrote...

I've seen this more times than I care to count on this forums and others. While I, like most of you, am not inclined to spend real money on video game guns, the mockery - and by extension, discouragement - of those who do needs to stop for the following simple reasons:

The more money that is spent on equipment packs, the more viable ME3's multiplayer seems as a money-making device, and thus, the more likely it is to be supported with content-rick expansions. It is the people who spend money on ME3's MP that are encouraging - and to a lesser extent, funding - the development of future content.

More importantly, those people increase the likelyhood that future content will be free. If ME3's multiplayer can create sustainable income without the necessity of charging for additional content, Bioware/EA is less likely to risk segregating the playerbase by introducing content only accessible to paying users. After all, those paying users need people to play with, and the number of people playing will begin dwindle if some cannot access new content.

Now, I'm by no means imploring you to spend any money on ME3's multiplayer if you're not so inclined. I have personally only used MSP leftover from XBLA purchases to buy a couple of Spectre packs here and there. I'm just asking you not to deride the people who do; it is they who are potentially brightening the future of ME3's multiplayer for the rest of us.

Well yeah, I'm all against *mocking* them, but discouraging them? Yes.
Because there is simply no positive side to it.

You claim that it *funds* something and that it would allow free dlcs, but that's inaccurate.
Yes, with some companies that works, but those are companies that don't have EA as publisher.
With EA or Activision, any buck earned is profit, and the more willing people are to use money, the more they should be encouraged to spend more money.

So when one of the corresponding EA department realizes that lots and lots of people spend money on packs that consist of gambling, then they will adjust the chances slightly in favor of useless items instead of positive items, to ensure that the average payer has to pay more to really get all that he wants to get. An increase in useable items in 10%, would mean that profit may be raised by up to 10%. And for people who buy packs that provide useable items only, they may reduce the amount of items you get, so you have to buy more to be well supplied.
You have to discern between the people who try to produce a "fun product" and the people who publish it and are entirely uninterested in the product itself, but only on the money it provides.

Similarily, money spend on online content won't buy "free dlc" for the community, but will be considered as an additional source of income. Income that is not related to fixed costs and thus is immediately a net profit. Why would they then offer something for free, when the used up and boring content itself will require anyone who wants to play multiplayer to buy this pay dlc?

So unfortunately, your theory doesn't work on areas where the publisher or the people who are only interested on profit have to much influence. As a result, none of those expenses will ever be beneficial to any player. Other companies would do it differently, mind you, but Bioware doesn't have free reign over their product.

You should read the rest of the thread and my posts beyond the first, they address and offer counterpoints to your assertions, including your fallacious assumptions about profit and the acquisition thereof, your missunderstanding of the appropriation of funds to DLC and the reasons behind this, and the comparisons to other games using the same, profitable system, and why the comparison is accurate and relevant.

Modifié par Arkley, 01 avril 2012 - 11:00 .

[niko20]

Chrumpek wrote...

niko20 wrote...

To me, time is money. You can either spend a few hours and earn some credits or you can buy points to get stuff instead and save that time. If i have some extra money then why not save my time? Heck ya i'll buy packs if i feel like it.

This doesn't make any sense.....

Wow thanks for such a convincing counterargument.

[Chrumpek]

Did someone say here he buys a hamburger for 30$?

[Arkley]

Chrumpek wrote...

Did someone say here he buys a hamburger for 30$?

He elaborated on that in a later post.

I do wish people would read the entire thread before responding to see if it has information relevant to the post they're about to make. It's not a tall order. The thread's only just over two pages long.

[Chrumpek]

niko20 wrote...

Chrumpek wrote...

niko20 wrote...

To me, time is money. You can either spend a few hours and earn some credits or you can buy points to get stuff instead and save that time. If i have some extra money then why not save my time? Heck ya i'll buy packs if i feel like it.

This doesn't make any sense.....

Wow thanks for such a convincing counterargument.

Wasn't tryin to but you know, you play the game, unlock items, prolly have fun while doing it. You also waste time in which you could earn more money.

Now you simply take this time to earn money, and put that money in the game, so you play shorter. You still wasted time here cause your time spent on gaining money went into the game. Of course why even play it in the first place if you can spent even more time earning money.

That's what corporate people do :>

[Chrumpek]

Arkley wrote...

Chrumpek wrote...

Did someone say here he buys a hamburger for 30$?

He elaborated on that in a later post.

I do wish people would read the entire thread before responding to see if it has information relevant to the post they're about to make. It's not a tall order. The thread's only just over two pages long.

Aha.... where and how did he elaborate?

Nope, some other guy told that some burgers cost from 10-30 and that's it.  You should take your tip, shine it up real nice and stick it straight up, your candy ****! Also use it :>

Modifié par Chrumpek, 01 avril 2012 - 11:11 .

[niko20]

Chrumpek wrote...

niko20 wrote...

Chrumpek wrote...

niko20 wrote...

To me, time is money. You can either spend a few hours and earn some credits or you can buy points to get stuff instead and save that time. If i have some extra money then why not save my time? Heck ya i'll buy packs if i feel like it.

This doesn't make any sense.....

Wow thanks for such a convincing counterargument.

Wasn't tryin to but you know, you play the game, unlock items, prolly have fun while doing it. You also waste time in which you could earn more money.

Now you simply take this time to earn money, and put that money in the game, so you play shorter. You still wasted time here cause your time spent on gaining money went into the game. Of course why even play it in the first place if you can spent even more time earning money.

That's what corporate people do :>

Well for me personally no I didn't waste time, because the money comes from an Android app I sell that I make money every day without having to do anything...

[Relix28]

They should be mocked and discouraged for doing so. They are doing us all a huge disfavour, by spending real money on packs and thus supporting this garbage system. That sh!t is not ok.

Modifié par Relix28, 01 avril 2012 - 11:13 .

[SinerAthin]

Arkley wrote...


I mistitled the thread, although you're the first to misunderstand it. The title is meant to refer to all packs, which I attempted to summarize with the word "equipment", since that word is generally used as a catch-all term for weapons, armour, mods and accessories in most RPGs.

Details are VERY important, think of that next time you write

[Zubi Fett]

THIS "theory" is likely wrong, companies JUST think on the money. I don't know what kind of "brain process" you go thru to believe that buying the pacs with money encourage them to make future DLC for free, when it encourage them to do exactly the CONTRACT!!!

Probably they will be like this:
LOLOLOL, look those idiots buying those packs ROFL, we cant put what ever we want for pay, they will buy IT!!!!....

Didn't give them enough with the 80€ i pay?

Modifié par Zubi Fett, 01 avril 2012 - 11:17 .

[indyracing]

CV77 wrote...

Yeah, mocking them is stupid. We all paid money for the game itself after all so "normal" people can mock us for such a silly hobby.

I would buy some packs with real money if it was actually a good value. But 2 bucks for a spectre pack with some medigel, some SMG stuff I never use and two character cards is lol

Yeah, I started up ME 3 this past Friday, and after FINALLY getting to where I could save on my ship (nearly 3 hours), I gave multiplayer a try.

I did not enjoy my 1st match (level 1, chose engineer as that's my character in single player, and didn't realize I could respec that meager 1 point to something better than the drone - plus I didn't realize about the bronze/silver/gold thing, so left it random and ended in a silver match).

I played enough to promote 2 level 20's for the event, so I figured stuff out, but the multiplayer in ME3 is pretty punishing for a complete noob vs a leveled account (I'm like level 60 or something right now overall).  Now that I have weapons and such, after promoting that engineer and an Asari Adept, I started a new engineer at level 1 with all the unlocks I'd aquired, as well as the experience of playing - and it was dramatically better.  The starting conditions for a new account is quite harsh, IMO (coming from online shooters such as CoD and the like).

I did have some spare Microsoft points, so purchased a couple packs to see what they offer...and they're not really worth it - due to the RNG factor.  I still don't have a Krogan (I have 6 race/classes still unlocked), and if I could pay the one dollar or whatever it is to unlock a specific thing - great.  But paying $1 to get an RNG chance at unlocking what I want?  No thanks.

But someone else said that "time is money", and that's true.  I found it took me just under an hour to earn the 60k credits (playing Bronze matches) to buy a Spectre pack.  I make quite a bit more than $2 an hour, so if my aim is to unlock something very specific, there are times that I could justify paying money for a pack.

But not often.

That being said, there's a rare weapon that seems pretty significantly better (for my playstyle) that comes only from the Spectre packs.  I started doing better the instant I got it and equipped it.  I can only imagine that further upgrades (I assume I can upgrade it more if I get lucky and get another in another Spectre pack) will increase the damage, or capacity, or accuracy, or something.

That is kind of like paying to be better.  Not really cool.

[Arkley]

Chrumpek wrote...

Arkley wrote...

Chrumpek wrote...

Did someone say here he buys a hamburger for 30$?

He elaborated on that in a later post.

I do wish people would read the entire thread before responding to see if it has information relevant to the post they're about to make. It's not a tall order. The thread's only just over two pages long.

Aha.... where and how did he elaborate?

Nope, some other guy told that some burgers cost from 10-30 and that's it.  You should take your tip, shine it up real nice and stick it straight up, your candy ****! Also use it :>

You know, I was quite prepared to apologise for the mistake (I thought the person who posted the cost of bison burgers was the same person who made the initial post), as well as explain that my "tip" wasn't so much directed at you as much as it was at the people posting the same rebuttals that I've already shot down, and that you just had the misofortune of giving me an opening to post it. Fortunately, decided to double check and found the latter half of your post edited in when I returned. Consider this an explanation rather than an apology; I'd never apologise to someone so enormously immature. They likely wouldn't know what was going on.

[Arkley]

SinerAthin wrote...

Arkley wrote...


I mistitled the thread, although you're the first to misunderstand it. The title is meant to refer to all packs, which I attempted to summarize with the word "equipment", since that word is generally used as a catch-all term for weapons, armour, mods and accessories in most RPGs.

Details are VERY important, think of that next time you write

Like I said, you were the first and so far only person to misunderstand the title. I understand that you may be a little embarassed by the mistake, but given that it was otherwise so widely understood, I'm not inclined to believe that it was my fault.

[Chrumpek]

Arkley wrote...


You know, I was quite prepared to apologise for the mistake (I thought the person who posted the cost of bison burgers was the same person who made the initial post), as well as explain that my "tip" wasn't so much directed at you as much as it was at the people posting the same rebuttals that I've already shot down, and that you just had the misofortune of giving me an opening to post it. Fortunately, decided to double check and found the latter half of your post edited in when I returned. Consider this an explanation rather than an apology; I'd never apologise to someone so enormously immature. They likely wouldn't know what was going on.

Consider yourself immature then, tonight is Wrestlemania night and 'The Rock' is fighting in main the event, this is his catchphrase. You don't have to know it but I guessed the caliber of that 'insult' would be rather weak ;>

[Barneyk]

Kuraiken wrote...

Well yeah, I'm all against *mocking* them, but discouraging them? Yes.
Because there is simply no positive side to it.

You claim that it *funds* something and that it would allow free dlcs, but that's inaccurate.
Yes, with some companies that works, but those are companies that don't have EA as publisher.
With EA or Activision, any buck earned is profit, and the more willing people are to use money, the more they should be encouraged to spend more money.

That is an extreme exegeration.
The greed of EA and putting money so far and above quality is just ridicilous.
But your argument is really lacking.

If you claim that we get fack all if we give them money,
What do you argue that we get if we dont give them our money?
Highter quality and more content?

I don't see that side of your argument.
What do you claim one accomplishes by not paying for this kind of stuff?

[Arkley]

Chrumpek wrote...

Arkley wrote...


You know, I was quite prepared to apologise for the mistake (I thought the person who posted the cost of bison burgers was the same person who made the initial post), as well as explain that my "tip" wasn't so much directed at you as much as it was at the people posting the same rebuttals that I've already shot down, and that you just had the misofortune of giving me an opening to post it. Fortunately, decided to double check and found the latter half of your post edited in when I returned. Consider this an explanation rather than an apology; I'd never apologise to someone so enormously immature. They likely wouldn't know what was going on.

Consider yourself immature then, tonight is Wrestlemania night and 'The Rock' is fighting in main the event, this is his catchphrase. You don't have to know it but I guessed the caliber of that 'insult' would be rather weak ;>

I'm a middle class British guy. I'm about as familiar with Wrestlemania as I am with the dark side of the moon.

That said, this argument is silly and started for a silly reason and needs to end. I apologise for the earlier misunderstanding and for using your post as a jumping point for a snarky comment. Enjoy your wrestling.

[fafnir magnus]

spectre pack is what, 160 MS points? I've bought a few. Drop a spare 20$ on 1600 MS points, get 10 packs, that is equivalent of ~ 8 or 9 gold games depending on time bonuses, and assuming you get 100% clears. Gold game can be as short as 18-20 minutes suicidal after credit rewards, but averages more towards 30 minutes with randoms using non-ideal set-ups. so 20$ that takes around 3 hours of work at minimum wage including taxes, gives you the content rewards of 9*30=270 minutes or 4 and 1/2 hours of playtime. Factor in the extra drops can help improve personal performance and drop future game's timers by a few minutes and its a pretty fair investment for anyone who has the disposable income and intends to invest a lot of time in the game.

Granted, this also only speeds up the time it'll take for you to max out every weapon and mod, and thus reduce any and all rewards from gameplay besides the SP benefits and actual joys of gaming, but some people may simply enjoy a co-op alternative to playing gears of war horde or halo firefight.

[Chrumpek]

Arkley wrote...

Chrumpek wrote...

Arkley wrote...


You know, I was quite prepared to apologise for the mistake (I thought the person who posted the cost of bison burgers was the same person who made the initial post), as well as explain that my "tip" wasn't so much directed at you as much as it was at the people posting the same rebuttals that I've already shot down, and that you just had the misofortune of giving me an opening to post it. Fortunately, decided to double check and found the latter half of your post edited in when I returned. Consider this an explanation rather than an apology; I'd never apologise to someone so enormously immature. They likely wouldn't know what was going on.

Consider yourself immature then, tonight is Wrestlemania night and 'The Rock' is fighting in main the event, this is his catchphrase. You don't have to know it but I guessed the caliber of that 'insult' would be rather weak ;>

I'm a middle class British guy. I'm about as familiar with Wrestlemania as I am with the dark side of the moon.

That said, this argument is silly and started for a silly reason and needs to end. I apologise for the earlier misunderstanding and for using your post as a jumping point for a snarky comment. Enjoy your wrestling.

Thank you and I will! It's good to sometimes watch some brainless scripted rumble :>

[wolfstanus]

Relix28 wrote...

They should be mocked and discouraged for doing so. They are doing us all a huge disfavour, by spending real money on packs and thus supporting this garbage system. That sh!t is not ok.

Calm your ******...

Its **** to you

To me it needs a little work.

Opinions they are not facts. 

[robertm2]

wolfstanus wrote...

robertm2 wrote...

Arkley wrote...

I've seen this more times than I care to count on this forums and others. While I, like most of you, am not inclined to spend real money on video game guns, the mockery - and by extension, discouragement - of those who do needs to stop for the following simple reasons:

The more money that is spent on equipment packs, the more viable ME3's multiplayer seems as a money-making device, and thus, the more likely it is to be supported with content-rick expansions. It is the people who spend money on ME3's MP that are encouraging - and to a lesser extent, funding - the development of future content.

More importantly, those people increase the likelyhood that future content will be free. If ME3's multiplayer can create sustainable income without the necessity of charging for additional content, Bioware/EA is less likely to risk segregating the playerbase by introducing content only accessible to paying users. After all, those paying users need people to play with, and the number of people playing will begin dwindle if some cannot access new content.

Now, I'm by no means imploring you to spend any money on ME3's multiplayer if you're not so inclined. I have personally only used MSP leftover from XBLA purchases to buy a couple of Spectre packs here and there. I'm just asking you not to deride the people who do; it is they who are potentially brightening the future of ME3's multiplayer for the rest of us.

free content? from ea? come on now i get what your saying but ea wouldnt give out free content EVER! bioware has to "reach out" to them just to make patches to the game. i would love to see some multi dlc but it will never be free if ea has anything to say about it.

ea is a publisher. Bioware makes the patches they don't ask.
Bioware makes the dlc. Me2 had a lot of fee dlc. Me1 has 2dlc 1 I think is free.

then why was bioware saying they were reaching out to ea to fix the import face system for people who didnt change their face from me1? if they have to spend time on it they need ea's permission because ea funds their projects if it takes time it costs money and thus ea has control over whether or not it happens.

[Zubi Fett]

Barneyk wrote...

Kuraiken wrote...

Well yeah, I'm all against *mocking* them, but discouraging them? Yes.
Because there is simply no positive side to it.

You claim that it *funds* something and that it would allow free dlcs, but that's inaccurate.
Yes, with some companies that works, but those are companies that don't have EA as publisher.
With EA or Activision, any buck earned is profit, and the more willing people are to use money, the more they should be encouraged to spend more money.

That is an extreme exegeration.
The greed of EA and putting money so far and above quality is just ridicilous.
But your argument is really lacking.

If you claim that we get fack all if we give them money,
What do you argue that we get if we dont give them our money?
Highter quality and more content?

I don't see that side of your argument.
What do you claim one accomplishes by not paying for this kind of stuff?

Look what happend with other games

What he say makes ALL SENSE...some things always been free, them some one like EA or activision put it for pay...people buy it and next thing you know every single game have it for payment.

Its simple, see call of dutty , they work the less possibole on the game and look...super sales...with all those buyers, with your theory...they should SUPER impruve the game.

Has an example:

Compare the graphics of the saga

Modifié par Zubi Fett, 01 avril 2012 - 11:35 .