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[britmckay]

I had 100pts so I gave Bioware a buck. Got a level up for my Phalanx without playing with a bunch of terrible randoms while my friends weren't online.

I don't see a problem here.

[Verhalthur]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Verhalthur wrote... All of that
behavioral psychology is not really important when considering the
actual benefits and negatives of this system, and there are no negatives.

Of course there are negatives to locking features behind random unlock reward schedules.  Heck, there's pros and cons to having a player community shaped by the concept that players can EITHER earn a reward OR purchase it.  To pretend that no negatives exist is just naive.

It's not just an extra feature that has no effect on anything else.  Can you really not see how game features interact with each other in crafting the aesthetic experience that is gameplay?

Your point is that there are negatives to the random unlock system and that the pay or earn system affects the community negatively.
We are not discussing the random unlock system, really, nor are we discussing my ability to comprehend "how game features interact with each other in crafting the aesthetic experience that is gameplay." : /

The influence of the pay or earn system on the community is immeasurable and an appeal to emotion.  You made it sound like the concept is shaping the player community, when its influence is likely not nearly that far.  I would definitely make that assumption if the entire multiplayer thread section was full of rage over the pay or earn system, but it is not.

You have yet to discuss the negatives or benefits of the actual pay or earn system.

Let's debate this out!

Modifié par Verhalthur, 02 avril 2012 - 11:20 .

[TLK Spires]

brummbrumm wrote...

TLK Spires wrote...

nope, sorry, anyone who spends actual money on things they can get just by playing is both lazy and stupid, and has completely missed the point of video games.

of course. grinding the same map over and over 24/7 is the true mark of intelligence and diligence - these people really understand video games - and the meaning of life.

what you said only works if you can actually PICK what you pay for. you don't get to pick, you get the same randomized pack as someone who didn't spend real currency. and that's not the case, so good job, you've missed the point in dull fashion.

if you really equate me3 mp to grinding, then you need to stop playing, as you have, as i previously said, completely missed the point of video games (me3 mp specifically). and if you really do think that *paying for something you can get for free* is the more intelligent alternative, then congratulations on ousting yourself as being (at best) clueless, but with disposable income - the perfect target to take advantage of.

[Sildadia]

Arkley wrote...

I've seen this more times than I care to count on this forums and others. While I, like most of you, am not inclined to spend real money on video game guns, the mockery - and by extension, discouragement - of those who do needs to stop for the following simple reasons:

The more money that is spent on equipment packs, the more viable ME3's multiplayer seems as a money-making device, and thus, the more likely it is to be supported with content-rick expansions. It is the people who spend money on ME3's MP that are encouraging - and to a lesser extent, funding - the development of future content.

More importantly, those people increase the likelyhood that future content will be free. If ME3's multiplayer can create sustainable income without the necessity of charging for additional content, Bioware/EA is less likely to risk segregating the playerbase by introducing content only accessible to paying users. After all, those paying users need people to play with, and the number of people playing will begin dwindle if some cannot access new content.

Now, I'm by no means imploring you to spend any money on ME3's multiplayer if you're not so inclined. I have personally only used MSP leftover from XBLA purchases to buy a couple of Spectre packs here and there. I'm just asking you not to deride the people who do; it is they who are potentially brightening the future of ME3's multiplayer for the rest of us.

No.

[TLK Spires]

Woffen5 wrote...

TLK Spires wrote...

nope, sorry, anyone who spends actual money on things they can get just by playing is both lazy and stupid, and has completely missed the point of video games.

Yes, Im certain everyone and their mother has the time to grind credits til their fingers bleed. Grinding is not the point of video games, its having fun.

Not that I would ever buy a random pack of potentially worthless stuff. But thats not the point. Let people play/pay the game the way they want to. Its not up to you to decide what is fun to everyone.

it's not about deciding what's fun, it's about pointing out what's wrong.


buying random video game items is not playing the game. at all. again, if you really think me3 mp is grinding, then you need to stop playing. and even if your idea of having fun was paying for a chance to maybe get a cool video game item, then why not just buy a scratch off lottery ticket? or some coca cola and pop rocks? with the former, you at least have a chance for something of legitimate, tangible, redeemable value, and you had no other way of getting it short of thievery, which is wrong. with the latter, you have guaranteed fun. 

[Ben Shep]

Never would I waste real money on a random system like this.

I have a question, If your lvl 20 asari adept with all custom appearance options unlocked and you buy a spectre pack with real money will the system remove the chance of you getting that card again?

If it doesnt then your paying real money for nothing!

[Woffen5]

No, it will not remove the chance of getting that card again.

[TLK Spires]

britmckay wrote...

I had 100pts so I gave Bioware a buck. Got a level up for my Phalanx without playing with a bunch of terrible randoms while my friends weren't online.

I don't see a problem here.

the problem is you could have got the very same thing had you just waited to play with your buddies, AND you'd still have that dollar. 

"b-but it's ONLY a dollar"

it's not "only" a dollar to the people making money off of it due to no actual additional effort. 

[Zubi Fett]

TLK Spires wrote...

britmckay wrote...

I had 100pts so I gave Bioware a buck. Got a level up for my Phalanx without playing with a bunch of terrible randoms while my friends weren't online.

I don't see a problem here.

the problem is you could have got the very same thing had you just waited to play with your buddies, AND you'd still have that dollar. 

"b-but it's ONLY a dollar"

it's not "only" a dollar to the people making money off of it due to no actual additional effort. 

The main problem is that this will affect us all in the long term, and they dont see it, or dont want it too. 

We explain why and how it does in different ways(some with frustration, some with patience) but none are working.

I will say the problem here is:

"You dont see what you dont want to see"

Modifié par Zubi Fett, 03 avril 2012 - 12:10 .

[TLK Spires]

Zubi Fett wrote...

The main problem is that this will affect us all in the long term, and they dont see it, or dont want it too. 

We explain why and how it does in different ways(some with frustration, some with patience) but none are working.

I will say the problem here is:

"You dont see what you dont want to see"

exactly. the opposite is also true.

"that's not a big steaming pile of ****, i swear! it's a.. it's a big old pot of GOLD! i'm rich! RICH! mmmm, i sure do LOVE taking a nice, deep inhale of this pot of GOLD i have here."

[kw0lf]

xtorma wrote...

kw0lf wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

Sorry, but they deserve to be mocked. They might as well just burn their money.

It's thier money.

Spectre packs are $2 or something like that, right?  At best you can earn, what, 3-4 per hour?  You value your own time at $6 - $8 per hour?

People go to clubs and spend hundreds, what do they get? laid if they are lucky , a hangover if not. People go out and spend hundreds eating, what do you get? a decent meal and a turd. People spend money on video games what do they get? the exact same thing, a social environment with nothing to show for it, but thier personal enjoyment.

If someone has the money, and this is how they enjoy spending it, who are we to mock them? It's thier money, thier time, they enjoy it....what is there to mock?

I'm not mocking them ... you should buy things you want.  I'm mocking people who grind items they want instead of buying them.  When you grind items, you value your time at $6-$8/hour ... most people make way more than that ... it's smart to buy, stupid to grind.

[JaimasOfRaxis]

In a few months, when this game's community is all but gone because the fanbase was pissed off enough to not stick around when being ignored for as long as they have, Bioware and EA can look a themselves with pride, because this failure was entirely on their own head.

[Verhalthur]

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...

In a few months, when this game's community is all but gone because the fanbase was pissed off enough to not stick around when being ignored for as long as they have, Bioware and EA can look a themselves with pride, because this failure was entirely on their own head.

If that happens, I will hail you as the next Nostradamus.

[TLK Spires]

kw0lf wrote...

I'm not mocking them ... you should buy things you want.  I'm mocking people who grind items they want instead of buying them.  When you grind items, you value your time at $6-$8/hour ... most people make way more than that ... it's smart to buy, stupid to grind.

what are you actually buying? a chance. a chance that you could get for free. what are you actually grinding? if anything, it's *chances*, not actual items. you aren't paying for items, you're paying for a chance at items that you could get for free.

it's smart to buy with video game dollars. it's stupid to buy with actual money.  your chances don't increase *at all*.

[JaimasOfRaxis]

If that happens, I will hail you as the next Nostradamus.

My friend, I've been down this road many, many times. There's only so many times a playerbase can be abused before they say "screw this" and move onto greener pastures. It's happened in close to half the MP games I've played that haven't had appropriate support.

[Adhin]

Players do not fund development, they pay for it after it has been developed. Paying for random content that you ALREADY OWN is not encouraging any company anywhere to make 'new' content. It just encourages what its currently doing.

It's gambling, except your gambling for **** you've already payed for by paying it again. It's like if someone stole a bunch of your **** - then you payed to open a box to see what of that you got back. Well it's not actually that bad but it's still a horrible practice EA/BioWare decided to try this time.

Which is kinda sad considering BioWare used to be pretty damn good with there DLC-ish stuff. As for poking fun at anyone who spends real money on gambled content they have access to already? I will continue to do this. This is how sociaty works. You do something stupid, people call you on it - its how you learn not to do stupid things.

It's just when that gets out of hand and it turns into bullying or what have you. Either way if any of you are in a game with me and you spend real life moneys on packs, expect to be laughed at lightly. Cause that's about all ya deserve for that silly ass action, laughter and maybe a little pointing no one can see.

[N Malboeuf]

I own lots of Gaming servers, they cost me about $90 a month each, while I'm upset with the lack of proper servers i still dished out $70 for packs with in 2 weeks.

Why? Time is money.
you dont take the day off work at a $100-120 a day to get a haircut for $20, its basically costing you $120 to look like Justin (insert celeb name here)

I will probably spend $20-40 now every 2nd week just for spector pacts, are they worth it? No
but my time is and the Game and future of Mass Effect and it's MP possiblities.

Lets say 1000 ppl bought $20 with of points this weekend, thats a cool $20,000 for 2.5 days, mabey less for the rest of the week, then say BW has 3-6 servers dedicated to routing PvP game play and record sats, and they spend more on server lines then I do (bet my servers are faster tho) thats about $3,000 a month plus a tech(s) thats $10,000 more, then the middle men, the bosses, the web nerd, and the cleaning lady
DO THE MATH.

I will say this tho, as long as I see new content every few months I'll be happy and my visa will be ready, some of us can afford to drop a few hundred on toys every month. If it's not ME3MP then it will be on booze/women/Vehicles and let me tell you....... ME3MP Spector Packs are allot cheaper !!!!!

Modifié par N Malboeuf, 03 avril 2012 - 01:34 .

[Adhin]

BioWare and EA are not hosting actual game servers. The 'server' your connecting to is just basic data transfer stuff to manage the store and whatnot. Anytime you make a game, or join a game, you or the 'leader' of the match is the one hosting it.

On top of that it's not dedicated to just ME3 - your connecting to origin. It's a service they provide well beyond ME3 and is also a game providing service. So far though we haven't really seen any 'new content'. We see 'events' that give us bonus gamble packs. It's not new DLC, its just free-gamble packs. The N7 stuff was already on your disc, it's from the collectors edition. CE and Base have the content, just CE had codes to unlock it in single player.

Also your playing to PLAY, not playing to unlock weapons. This whole 'time is money' excuse is garbage. If your going to play - play. If you want to spend money WHILE you play then your ultimately spending more money for the time you do play then someone who doesn't. Also no ones going to take time off work to get a hair cut they can do that after work, on the a day off, or at lunch break. Bad excuses are, ultimately, bad.

[N Malboeuf]

Adhin wrote...

BioWare and EA are not hosting actual game servers. The 'server' your connecting to is just basic data transfer stuff to manage the store and whatnot. Anytime you make a game, or join a game, you or the 'leader' of the match is the one hosting it.

On top of that it's not dedicated to just ME3 - your connecting to origin. It's a service they provide well beyond ME3 and is also a game providing service. So far though we haven't really seen any 'new content'. We see 'events' that give us bonus gamble packs. It's not new DLC, its just free-gamble packs. The N7 stuff was already on your disc, it's from the collectors edition. CE and Base have the content, just CE had codes to unlock it in single player.

Also your playing to PLAY, not playing to unlock weapons. This whole 'time is money' excuse is garbage. If your going to play - play. If you want to spend money WHILE you play then your ultimately spending more money for the time you do play then someone who doesn't. Also no ones going to take time off work to get a hair cut they can do that after work, on the a day off, or at lunch break. Bad excuses are, ultimately, bad.

1st off they are servers you connect to, there are lots of them to handle the set ups for Peer to Peer matches. not a "data stuff", they even have a web server to "host" the player "data"
2nd its only been a month so Im betting on more DLC, you cant even argue that on, my Me2 has what 14 DLC, most were free BTW

Time is money, if you dont get that concept then I bet you missed allot of days at work.
Nothing is 100% free, you can play for free, I'm sure with the work you missed to play ME3MP you have lots of "free" packs.
lol
Some ppl simply can afford to not really worry about dropping $20 a month, or $40 a week. (just dont let my girlfreind know )
And Some ppl cant play 6-10 hours aday we have to work, and thusly allows us to induldge in buying more packs.
are we posers? yes, but this is not real life and posers are ppl too!

Modifié par N Malboeuf, 03 avril 2012 - 02:49 .

[N Malboeuf]

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...

In a few months, when this game's community is all but gone because the fanbase was pissed off enough to not stick around when being ignored for as long as they have, Bioware and EA can look a themselves with pride, because this failure was entirely on their own head.

how do you even possibly think that after 1 month of pure bliss? they have lots of money! they will make us toys and we'll play with em, and we'll feed them $5 bills just like strippers at a bar that show a little more every fin!
You know you like it!

[ShaneZero]

Are we talking Real money like Bio-ware points cause that's funny any day of the week

But if your just saying Creds then thats fine sometimes the Medi gel just wont drop and i want something guaranteed

[fantazja]

not to insult anyone here, but it's a safe "bet" that 80% of the people complaining about packs being purchasable, are people that can't afford to buy as many as they'd like.

the same people that buy lottery tickets, although they'll vehemently deny it here.

[N Malboeuf]

$2 for a spector pack, thats 4 Bronze when you start, or 2 Silver, I saved my self an hour a spector pack, plus the special combo packs, thats $70 in 2 weeks, saved me 35 hours of redunant Bronse/silver matches
Thank god i never had my ass planted to the chair for 35 hours in the last 2 weeks I would have been fired.

[jrod512ATX]

I think I've spent around $30 but the points were gifted to me, so that's a little different but I'm debating whether or not I'm going to buy a 800 M$ points on the Xbox and get a few jumbo packs, maybe a Spectre pack or two. Bottom line...it's my $...

[N Malboeuf]

ShaneZero wrote...

Are we talking Real money like Bio-ware points cause that's funny any day of the week

But if your just saying Creds then thats fine sometimes the Medi gel just wont drop and i want something guaranteed

Not True, Real money, and with those comb0 specials where you get lots of toys and 5-7 medgel and 5-7 survival packs and 5-7 rockets, and more power ups for only a $1.5
I bought 20,  with 5 allowed in game for each life is gooooooooood
well worth it.

Modifié par N Malboeuf, 03 avril 2012 - 03:13 .