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[brummbrumm]

TLK Spires wrote...

brummbrumm wrote...

TLK Spires wrote...

nope, sorry, anyone who spends actual money on things they can get just by playing is both lazy and stupid, and has completely missed the point of video games.

of course. grinding the same map over and over 24/7 is the true mark of intelligence and diligence - these people really understand video games - and the meaning of life.

what you said only works if you can actually PICK what you pay for. you don't get to pick, you get the same randomized pack as someone who didn't spend real currency. and that's not the case, so good job, you've missed the point in dull fashion.

if you really equate me3 mp to grinding, then you need to stop playing, as you have, as i previously said, completely missed the point of video games (me3 mp specifically). and if you really do think that *paying for something you can get for free* is the more intelligent alternative, then congratulations on ousting yourself as being (at best) clueless, but with disposable income - the perfect target to take advantage of.

thats life - you do not always get what you hope to get, despite the fact that you paid for it - so you have to decide / calculate whether or not you are able and willing to risk losing the money you are going to spend.
Its always an equation between risk / profit / effort .
its a bit ridiculous how someone who spent money for virtual goods ( the mass effect 3 game) tells me that he / she is less clueless than I am because I decided to buy some spectre packs .

and : you do not get the items for free, even if you try to view it in such a romantic light. you spend an average of 25 - 30 mins with random groups for 72k credits on gold runs ( not counting disconnects, aborted matches, matchmakings...) which equals 3,36 euro / hours ( 13,94 euros = 600000 credits for spectre packs, 600k / 72 : 8,333 runs total = 4,15 hrs / 13,94 euros =  3,36 ) - and obtaining enough credits to get a semi - respectable arsenal means farming and grinding a lot. Its a lot of things, but surely not "playing for fun" after the first matches.

Modifié par brummbrumm, 03 avril 2012 - 09:02 .

[Kuraiken]

brummbrumm wrote...

TLK Spires wrote...

brummbrumm wrote...

TLK Spires wrote...

nope, sorry, anyone who spends actual money on things they can get just by playing is both lazy and stupid, and has completely missed the point of video games.

of course. grinding the same map over and over 24/7 is the true mark of intelligence and diligence - these people really understand video games - and the meaning of life.

what you said only works if you can actually PICK what you pay for. you don't get to pick, you get the same randomized pack as someone who didn't spend real currency. and that's not the case, so good job, you've missed the point in dull fashion.

if you really equate me3 mp to grinding, then you need to stop playing, as you have, as i previously said, completely missed the point of video games (me3 mp specifically). and if you really do think that *paying for something you can get for free* is the more intelligent alternative, then congratulations on ousting yourself as being (at best) clueless, but with disposable income - the perfect target to take advantage of.

thats life - you do not always get what you hope to get, despite the fact that you paid for it - so you have to decide / calculate whether or not you are able and willing to risk losing the money you are going to spend.
Its always an equation between risk / profit / effort .
its a bit ridiculous how someone who spent money for virtual goods ( the mass effect 3 game) tells me that he / she is less clueless than I am because I decided to buy some spectre packs .

and : you do not get the items for free, even if you try to view it in such a romantic light. you spend an average of 25 - 30 mins with random groups for 72k credits on gold runs ( not counting disconnects, aborted matches, matchmakings...) which equals 3,36 euro / hours ( 13,94 euros = 600000 credits for spectre packs, 600k / 72 : 8,333 runs total = 4,15 hrs / 13,94 euros =  3,36 ) - and obtaining enough credits to get a semi - respectable arsenal means farming and grinding a lot. Its a lot of things, but surely not "playing for fun" after the first matches.

Let's reverse reframe that. You're working to get better items *and* paying for it, doubeling your losses, while we only have fun for enjoyment and get a present now and then.
It depends on what angle you want to use. Obviously, for you it's more about "getting gear" and leveling up all your weapons and so on, while for others, it's just for fun. So from that angle, you're the one who got the bad deal.

Also, all you get is worthless, while all I get is worthwhile. I'm having fun without caring for equip. You care all about equip and pay for it. I get enjoyment... you don't necessarily get the items you want.
And in the end: the items you do get also are worthless. You don't get a product with inherent value but something that instead has zero value. You can't resell those items, can't bring them anywhere to be disassembled... all you bought is thin air, and nothing of any real value.
I don't buy anything and just have some fun.

Now imagine you could sell air on the streets to people for such prices... damn, that'd be some business.

[frustratemyself]

Arkley wrote...

...More importantly, those people increase the likelyhood that future content will be free...

Oh you poor niaive child

It's the sort of bs that encouragesEA/BW to continue with and increase the microtransactions that we already get hit with.
Besides it's way too much fun to openly laugh at people that blow real money on packs that they could have bought with in game credits and get nothing.

[N Malboeuf]

it's still "time is money", more of us than not need to work, you can't claim you're a better gamer and be proud of it because you have more time to do so, when you do or say this society looks at you and thinks you need to get a life, so the people who have more to do in life will pay a little extra, and I'm sure some of the those are better MP gamers, they have better toys as well as talent, I have decades of MP and just because I no longer have as much time to play does not mean I'm gonna let some noob no life dweeb tell me I'm a loser for buying packs, hell the beer I drank while playing cost more.

a spector pack = 1 beer.

Bio gets another $20 this weekend, they're worth it. and I'm getting more beer, and more packs cause my $$$$ gaming  rig needs some N7 upgrades!!!!

Modifié par N Malboeuf, 04 avril 2012 - 08:59 .

[indyracing]

Zubi Fett wrote...

Also, the unlock system is like a slot machine, and they still dont get the "adictive" part of it.

Earlier in this thread, I posted that I'm ok with buying these packs with money because, well, time is money and my personal time is worth more, to both me and my employer, than however much the credit per hour ratio in-game is.

I still believe that.  It's each player's time and each player's money, and if a player's goal in ME 3 is to clear Gold ASAP, they simply stand a better chance of doing so with better gear (that's only behind an RNG unlock system).

What it didn't take me very long to realize is that the RNG unlock system for gear that actually makes you more effective (without you, personally, getting better at playing) is pretty stupid in any game that could be considered "competitive" - and in ME 3, the fact that you can be kicked for no reason (I've seen N7 level 1 people get kick votes in bronze matches simply because they're level 1 - which is retarded) means there's a competitive aspect to it.

I know it's used in MMOs a lot (as an off and on again WoW player, and someone who tried TOR for the free month and like 2 weeks), but that aspect of gaming and games simply always annoys me.  The reason I always end up unsubbing from WoW is the fact that "gear matters" and it's mostly behind RNG (raid boss drops).

In ME 3, gear matters (especially for Gold).  But that gear is totally locked behind RNG, so my conclusion is that beating all Gold (and "farming" or whatever) isn't meaningful.  But for someone who's desire is to beat Gold (and quickly, and often), just the rare pistol (carbinex or w/e) on my engineer showed me quite simply how much gear can matter in this game, which leads me to question and disagree with the RNG system.

[N Malboeuf]

this is true, I know for a fact I wont be playing these same level 4 months from now (either new levels or I'll play other MP games with more maps), and I will not sit and play 1000 hours to get a few trinkets, this is where spare cash is worth while to throw at ME3MP.
Am I paying money for a few trinkets? yes, but if you equate my time in game them my time is a few $grand compared to a couple of $20 week ends

[Chrumpek]

N Malboeuf wrote...

this is true, I know for a fact I wont be playing these same level 4 months from now (either new levels or I'll play other MP games with more maps), and I will not sit and play 1000 hours to get a few trinkets, this is where spare cash is worth while to throw at ME3MP.
Am I paying money for a few trinkets? yes, but if you equate my time in game them my time is a few $grand compared to a couple of $20 week ends

this kind of ... doesn't make sense

[mel5397]

This is pure profit, it will have absolutely NO effect on Biowares decision to release DLC for free.

By the way, I spent money on Spectre Packs

[InfamousResult]

If someone has that money to burn, why would I make fun of them? They have that money to burn.

It's not like they sat down and weighed out whether they wanted a Spectre Pack, or whether they wanted to be able to eat this week. The only people who could possibly feel contempt for a person spending their money on digital items is someone who's too poor to be able to.

.. Or just spiteful dweebs. Either/or.

[Chrumpek]

Oh I'd do same thing as EA, there always gonna be those guys that will throw their money, no matter what it is... and I'd enjoy it :>

[LtDeath001]

I'm on the same boat as you guys who support money spenders. It's because people get joy out of life in different ways. Whether you like deep sea diving, biking, going out to a night club or getting drunk, all of these cost money too. And you get enjoyment out of doing these things.

In the same way, some people spend money here doing something they love to get better enjoyment out of their hobby: playing video games. I say there's no shame in it. Your putting money in doing something you love. Good for you!

[N Malboeuf]

InfamousResult wrote...

They have that money to burn.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!!


Good show

it's Like owning a car
you either have a beater you drive till it's such a death trap that you risk you life in it or you buy a nice TRUCK/CAR/HARLEY/SPORTBIKE and dump thousands into it.

$20 a week on ME3MP is pocket change!

Live Free or Die with a N7 Rifle +10 in your hand!
Save the world, Save the galaxy, Save the Universe.

all for 32 Alterians Dollars a day!

(for you low life un cultured noobs thats Hitch Hickers Guide to the Galaxy.... go read a fking book instead of playing 8000 hours of ME3!!!!)

Modifié par N Malboeuf, 06 avril 2012 - 04:42 .

[Arkley]

This thread is in need of an enormous "I told you so".

[vertigo72]

Actually I've never bought any of those, I think I will now

[Arkley]

vertigo72 wrote...

Actually I've never bought any of those, I think I will now

So far I've only spent change from XBLA purchases on them, but I'm pretty happy with the content in the new DCL, so I'll probably buy 500 points or something to spend on them.

[mastercheif-117]

vivanto wrote...

Let's look at the flipside. The less money spent on this garbage, the sooner they realize that the unlock system is retarded and do something about it. See what I did there?

Spending real money has nothing to do with the mechanics of the unlock system. Microsoft Points or Credits, the unlock system will be just as arbitrary as it was before. Also, BW should already be aware of our grievances with the store system via the massive amount of threads systematically pointing out its flaws. They won't easily assume that spending money on the MP means endorsing the ENTIRE system. 

[mastercheif-117]

Arkley wrote...

I've seen this more times than I care to count on this forums and others. While I, like most of you, am not inclined to spend real money on video game guns, the mockery - and by extension, discouragement - of those who do needs to stop for the following simple reasons:

The more money that is spent on equipment packs, the more viable ME3's multiplayer seems as a money-making device, and thus, the more likely it is to be supported with content-rick expansions. It is the people who spend money on ME3's MP that are encouraging - and to a lesser extent, funding - the development of future content.

More importantly, those people increase the likelyhood that future content will be free. If ME3's multiplayer can create sustainable income without the necessity of charging for additional content, Bioware/EA is less likely to risk segregating the playerbase by introducing content only accessible to paying users. After all, those paying users need people to play with, and the number of people playing will begin dwindle if some cannot access new content.

Now, I'm by no means imploring you to spend any money on ME3's multiplayer if you're not so inclined. I have personally only used MSP leftover from XBLA purchases to buy a couple of Spectre packs here and there. I'm just asking you not to deride the people who do; it is they who are potentially brightening the future of ME3's multiplayer for the rest of us.

Might I add, OP, that those who come to realise your message might spend even more money on Microsoft Points? It's an ingenious business cycle really

[lolwot]

I feel like people should recognize there's something seriously wrong with the multiplayer when they start paying real-world money to avoid playing more of the game. The whole thing just feels very manipulative to me and it's one of the most repetitive, grindy things I've ever played. To be honest, I'm disappointed that people are supporting this. I won't be surprised if these pay-to-skip schemes start creeping their way into single-player modes as well.

[Leoism]

They've made me3 MP into fifa ut... hehe

[Ubergrog]

Hey, I have spent about 80 bucks over the course of the month on content for the game because I had a spare 20 here and there to spare. Am I ashamed? hell no. While I am a proud "retaker", I will not punish the company while they have a MP system I truly enjoy.

I think the system they have is brilliant, I met a group of guys that I can banter with while we run gold missions, and occasionally when I have a little extra cash that I can spend, I can spend it here instead of wasting it elsewhere. It's not "Burning" money for me because I have had very good results from it.

TL;DR? Haters gonna hate. Do what you want with your own money.

[Mesmurae]

If people are willing to pay money for packs, then EA/BioWare has every right to sell them.

Does that mean I'm going to buy them? Hell no, waste of money in my opinion.

But if you're willing to fork over your hard earned cash for the incredibly small chance of getting a weapon or character you want, more power to you.

[scottster117]

Arkley wrote...

This thread is in need of an enormous "I told you so".

This. Whether you agree with the idea of micro transactions or not, it's more than likely the reason Resurgence is free. 

[Mesmurae]

scottster117 wrote...

Arkley wrote...

This thread is in need of an enormous "I told you so".

This. Whether you agree with the idea of micro transactions or not, it's more than likely the reason Resurgence is free. 

I also think that the controversy over the ending has a lot to do with it. If BioWare had tried to sell multiplayer DLC in the midst of the current backlash, fans would have crucified them.

[Delta095]

I think it's pretty silly that they're too lazy to earn the credits themselves, but it's there for a reason. I don't care what choice they make, as long as they don't suck.

[Fingertrip]

fixit6 wrote...

BF3 went pay to win this week, why not ME3?

It really didn't tho. Try again.