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[Plerion]

Whoever is "balancing" the weapons is my hero.
I assume it is one person because a team of people could not possibly be so incompetent and ineffecient. 
The task seems incredibly simple, especially with some weapons in which the only significant variables to balance are DPS and weight. 
Yet somehow, this guy is consistently getting it wrong.
The weapon "balance" was horrible on release, and has since been changed multiple times.
These changes, however, don't have any thought behind them.
It's just random trial and error.
Seriously, why is the lightweight Phalanx pistol at equal or better DPS than most of the assualt rifles? 
Most of the weapons, including all of the SMGs, are completely obsolete.
The Carnifex, Black Widow, Geth Plasma Shotgun basically dominate the multiplayer.
There is a short list of alternative weapons that are arguably useful in certain circumstances, but for the most part, many of the other weapons are entirely useless.

Modifié par Plerion, 01 avril 2012 - 09:07 .

[TexasToast712]

Guns are fine. It's your skill as a player that is broken.

[Plerion]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Guns are fine. It's your skill as a player that is broken.

You sound intelligent.
Do the math.
Prove to me that these weapons are not obsolete. 

[Rucent]

It's just his way of getting attention.

[Mandalore313]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Guns are fine. It's your skill as a player that is broken.

Go ahead and use an AR against a banshee on gold.

[TexasToast712]

Mandalore313 wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Guns are fine. It's your skill as a player that is broken.

Go ahead and use an AR against a banshee on gold.

Already have, The **** ain't screeching no more.

Problem?

[sindrie111]

AR's SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the Avenger needs fixing BAD, and the carnifex needs to be nurfed also, most snipers are crazy OP.
But am I the only one who thinks skills like warp, overload,incinerate, and cryo are complete crap on silver and up....

Edit: The revenant(?) is pretty good actually but all other are fail.

Modifié par sindrie111, 01 avril 2012 - 09:21 .

[Andibandit]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Mandalore313 wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Guns are fine. It's your skill as a player that is broken.

Go ahead and use an AR against a banshee on gold.

Already have, The **** ain't screeching no more.

Problem?

im guessing she stopped screeching cause she gutted you

[tehmalachi]

Andibandit wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Mandalore313 wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Guns are fine. It's your skill as a player that is broken.

Go ahead and use an AR against a banshee on gold.

Already have, The **** ain't screeching no more.

Problem?

im guessing she stopped screeching cause she gutted you

She ceased screeching because he disconnected after emptying all his clips into her and taking her down 1/10th of a barrier block.

[sindrie111]

Banshees are OP...

[Sabbatine]

Plerion wrote...

Seriously, why is the lightweight Phalanx pistol at equal or better DPS than most of the assualt rifles? 
Most of the weapons, including all of the SMGs, are completely obsolete.

Really?  List five non-SMG weapons that are completely obsolete.

Plerion wrote... 

The Carnifex, Black Widow, Geth Plasma Shotgun basically dominate the multiplayer.

Wow really?  You'd think everyone would be using them if this were the case...

Plerion wrote... 

There is a short list of alternative weapons that are arguably useful in certain circumstances, but for the most part, many of the other weapons are entirely useless.

Ok, list five more (that do not appear on your other list) non-smg weapons that are entirely useless.

[MissMinaethiel]

sindrie111 wrote...

AR's SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the Avenger needs fixing BAD, and the carnifex needs to be nurfed also, most snipers are crazy OP.
But am I the only one who thinks skills like warp, overload,incinerate, and cryo are complete crap on silver and up....

Edit: The revenant(?) is pretty good actually but all other are fail.

Most snipers are powerful because of the lack of a large clip size like most ARs have. Gotta be able to pack quite a punch for the lack of bullets you're able to shoot. Warp is really not meant to be a power on it's own to use as it's a popular base/trigger for biotic explosions, Overload is a shield/barrier killer, cryo is only for freezing enemies, and incinerate is good against a pretty fair amount of armored/non-shielded units dpending on the path of advancement. I use warp a ton on silver and it works just fine.

As for the Revvie, it may have a large clip size and RoF, but the accuracy is terrible and is fairly inaccurate even with the stability mod. And have you TRIED the Mattock? That thing is a machine if you have a quick trigger finger.

[AwesomeDudex64]

The Avenger and ALL smgs need a buff.

[sindrie111]

MissMinaethiel wrote...

sindrie111 wrote...

AR's SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the Avenger needs fixing BAD, and the carnifex needs to be nurfed also, most snipers are crazy OP.
But am I the only one who thinks skills like warp, overload,incinerate, and cryo are complete crap on silver and up....

Edit: The revenant(?) is pretty good actually but all other are fail.

Most snipers are powerful because of the lack of a large clip size like most ARs have. Gotta be able to pack quite a punch for the lack of bullets you're able to shoot. Warp is really not meant to be a power on it's own to use as it's a popular base/trigger for biotic explosions, Overload is a shield/barrier killer, cryo is only for freezing enemies, and incinerate is good against a pretty fair amount of armored/non-shielded units dpending on the path of advancement. I use warp a ton on silver and it works just fine.

As for the Revvie, it may have a large clip size and RoF, but the accuracy is terrible and is fairly inaccurate even with the stability mod. And have you TRIED the Mattock? That thing is a machine if you have a quick trigger finger.

I dislike the mattocks backwards recoil but it is good.

But no I disagree look at shotguns even with small clip sizes and the need to be used with in kissing distance they still suck.... obviously besides geth shoty wich is really good and I have not used the claymore yet so don't know abot that.

[Aranha]

Plerion wrote...

Whoever is "balancing" the weapons is my hero.
I assume it is one person because a team of people could not possibly be so incompetent and ineffecient. 
The task seems incredibly simple, especially with some weapons in which the only significant variables to balance are DPS and weight. 
Yet somehow, this guy is consistently getting it wrong.
The weapon "balance" was horrible on release, and has since been changed multiple times.
These changes, however, don't have any thought behind them.
It's just random trial and error.
Seriously, why is the lightweight Phalanx pistol at equal or better DPS than most of the assualt rifles? 
Most of the weapons, including all of the SMGs, are completely obsolete.
The Carnifex, Black Widow, Geth Plasma Shotgun basically dominate the multiplayer.
There is a short list of alternative weapons that are arguably useful in certain circumstances, but for the most part, many of the other weapons are entirely useless.

Fully agree... Its kinda shameful actually how someone that works with multiplayer games cant get such simple things right. I quit playing ME3 due to Gold being too god damn boring with barely any build viabilty and diversity at all !

Until they get their heads out of their asses im not playing or paying for additional content.

[Aranha]

Sabbatine wrote...

Plerion wrote...

Seriously, why is the lightweight Phalanx pistol at equal or better DPS than most of the assualt rifles? 
Most of the weapons, including all of the SMGs, are completely obsolete.

Really?  List five non-SMG weapons that are completely obsolete.

Plerion wrote... 

The Carnifex, Black Widow, Geth Plasma Shotgun basically dominate the multiplayer.

Wow really?  You'd think everyone would be using them if this were the case...

Plerion wrote... 

There is a short list of alternative weapons that are arguably useful in certain circumstances, but for the most part, many of the other weapons are entirely useless.

Ok, list five more (that do not appear on your other list) non-smg weapons that are entirely useless.

Sounds like you havent started playing gold yet mate. 80% or auto ARs and SMGs hit armored targets for 5 damage per bullet as there is a 50 damage reduced per shot without Armor Pierce. Useless!

Everyone is using the Carniflex, Black Widow and Geth Plasma Shotgun those are the most used guns in the game + Widow, Paladin.

Entirely useless on Gold:

[*]M-3 Predator[*]M-23 Katana[*]M-4 Shuriken
[*]M-8 Avenger
[/list][*]M-22 Eviscerator[*]M-9 Tempest[*]M-12 Locust[*]M-13 Raptor[*]M-27 Scimitar[*]M-97 Viper[*]M-29 Incisor
[*]Phaeston
[/list][*]Geth Pulse Rifle
[*]Arc Pistol
[*]M-37 Falcon[*]M-76 Revenant[/list]Pretty much by picking any of these weapons gimps your team on GOLD!

Modifié par Aranha, 01 avril 2012 - 09:44 .

[gavinjeffes]

sindrie111 wrote...

AR's SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the Avenger needs fixing BAD, and the carnifex needs to be nurfed also, most snipers are crazy OP.
But am I the only one who thinks skills like warp, overload,incinerate, and cryo are complete crap on silver and up....

Edit: The revenant(?) is pretty good actually but all other are fail.

Incorrect on all counts. Watch some YouTube videos of people clearing gold. Biotics and crowd control like overload win games, not revenants. The avenger is pretty solid, especially considering its a standard weapon. I run with it on my adepts pretty often on silver.

Yes, snipers and the carnifex are great weapons, but only in the hands of good players. Maybe play a little more and then post more educated opinions on the forums after you've learned something.

Btw I'm not upset with you specifically, just people whining that guns/abilities need to be nerfed. The more I play this game, the more appreciation I have for different classes and weapons. Maybe try out some of the weapons you think are op and then you'll see that they're strong, but have significant disadvantages as well. A good player just finds a way to marginalize these weaknesses.

[MissMinaethiel]

sindrie111 wrote...

MissMinaethiel wrote...

sindrie111 wrote...

AR's SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the Avenger needs fixing BAD, and the carnifex needs to be nurfed also, most snipers are crazy OP.
But am I the only one who thinks skills like warp, overload,incinerate, and cryo are complete crap on silver and up....

Edit: The revenant(?) is pretty good actually but all other are fail.

Most snipers are powerful because of the lack of a large clip size like most ARs have. Gotta be able to pack quite a punch for the lack of bullets you're able to shoot. Warp is really not meant to be a power on it's own to use as it's a popular base/trigger for biotic explosions, Overload is a shield/barrier killer, cryo is only for freezing enemies, and incinerate is good against a pretty fair amount of armored/non-shielded units dpending on the path of advancement. I use warp a ton on silver and it works just fine.

As for the Revvie, it may have a large clip size and RoF, but the accuracy is terrible and is fairly inaccurate even with the stability mod. And have you TRIED the Mattock? That thing is a machine if you have a quick trigger finger.

I dislike the mattocks backwards recoil but it is good.

But no I disagree look at shotguns even with small clip sizes and the need to be used with in kissing distance they still suck.... obviously besides geth shoty wich is really good and I have not used the claymore yet so don't know abot that.

Ya but those are shotguns, not snipers. Whereas shotguns have an accuracy dip the further you are away from the them (and subsequently a damage reduction for the lack of projectiles hitting the target), a Widow, for example, has one shot and is pinpoint accurate if aimed correctly. It had one shot in it's clip. One shot to drop an enemy and/or stop them in their tracks. They're also clumsy in a close range setting unless you're good at quick-scoping. And most ARs also weigh a heck of a lot less. The Widow itself weighs a bit more (maybe a bit less) than the Avenger and Mattock combined.

So how do you overcome a small clip size and massive weight plus the lack of close-range efficiency? You pack a lot of punch into that one shot. All guns have their strengths and weaknesses. Problem is, ARs seem to be weak in pretty much everything. The other guns don't so much need a nerf; the weaker guns just need a buff.

[RogueWolfie]

I like the Mattock, but the rest are pretty underwhelming. Pretty much just use either the Phalanx or the Geth Plasma Shotgun these days.

[Kavadas]

Sabbatine wrote...

Plerion wrote...

Seriously, why is the lightweight Phalanx pistol at equal or better DPS than most of the assualt rifles? 
Most of the weapons, including all of the SMGs, are completely obsolete.

Really?  List five non-SMG weapons that are completely obsolete.

Plerion wrote... 

The Carnifex, Black Widow, Geth Plasma Shotgun basically dominate the multiplayer.

Wow really?  You'd think everyone would be using them if this were the case...

Plerion wrote... 

There is a short list of alternative weapons that are arguably useful in certain circumstances, but for the most part, many of the other weapons are entirely useless.

Ok, list five more (that do not appear on your other list) non-smg weapons that are entirely useless.

This post made me LOL pretty hard because it's obviously the BioWare dude who does the balancing.

LOL, get out of bronze, hero.  Then come back here and tell me how l33t your Geth pulse Rifle III is, hahahahaha.

Nice trollin' though 

Modifié par Kavadas, 01 avril 2012 - 09:44 .

[TexasToast712]

Andibandit wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Mandalore313 wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Guns are fine. It's your skill as a player that is broken.

Go ahead and use an AR against a banshee on gold.

Already have, The **** ain't screeching no more.

Problem?

im guessing she stopped screeching cause she gutted you

Nope. Killed her while she snuck up on you because you had tunnel vision with your widow.

[Geist.H]

M-37 Falcon useless on Gold

Seriously ?...

Falcon + Cryo Ammo = Crowd Control godmode on Turian Sentinel/Quarian Engineer.

This gun is awesomesauce on any support in fact.

[Plerion]

Sabbatine wrote... Really?  List five non-SMG weapons that are completely obsolete. 

The Avenger and Geth Pulse Rifle have more weight and less DPS than the Phalanx pistol.
The Phaeston, Vindicator, and Mattock also have a rather sad DPS/weight ratio in comparison to the Phalanx, and are certainly made obsolete by the Carnifex

The Predator, Viper, Raptor, Katana, Mantis, Eviscerator, and Incisor are all laughably useless as well.
Don't believe me?
Compare the DPS, range, and weight of these weapons to the Carnifex or Geth Plasma Shotgun. 
You will find that they simply cannot compete. 

Modifié par Plerion, 01 avril 2012 - 10:01 .

[tvih]

Well, I've been a pistol kind of guy in ME right from the start... but even I must say that heavy pistols, especially Carnifex, are too good compared to assault rifles (especially performance for weight), and most SMGs. But the main problem is the way armor reduces damage. It's not like the game is realistic anyway - rather than the current armor damage model, why not just have a percentage damage reduction, so you lose the same percentage of damage from your DPS with every weapon? As said, not realistic, but seriously, in the case of ME I really wouldn't let that get in the way of balancing. Especially given that fast-firing weapons like SMGs no longer have a bonus against shields/barriers the way they did in ME2.

[Sinner8056]

Sabbatine wrote...

Plerion wrote... 

The Carnifex, Black Widow, Geth Plasma Shotgun basically dominate the multiplayer.

Wow really?  You'd think everyone would be using them if this were the case...

Have you even played multiplayer?

Everyone is using them.  Well, besides those that unlocked the Valiant, or are stuck with the Widow for now.