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[Shajar]

Sinner8056 wrote...

Sabbatine wrote...

Plerion wrote... 

The Carnifex, Black Widow, Geth Plasma Shotgun basically dominate the multiplayer.

Wow really?  You'd think everyone would be using them if this were the case...

Have you even played multiplayer?

Everyone is using them.  Well, besides those that unlocked the Valiant, or are stuck with the Widow for now.

Ouch, you owned him pretty hard 

Yep, AR/SMGs are pretty ****ed in game, i wonder how the hell Phalanx can be better than any AR/SMG 

[De Los Cielos]

For what it's worth, I agree with the OP for the most part. That's why I rarely play on Gold. I feel like on Gold there is "what works and what doesn't" and the only exception is if you're a boss player, or Jesus - which I am neither.

So, I stick to Silver, and use the weapons I want to use and are actually fun to use. That way you don't have to be stuck with using one of four weapons that are actually usable on Gold.

On a side-note, in my opinion, powers are much more important on Gold anyways

[Rhome91]

To be honest, the powers are absolutely game-breaking on anything but Gold while the weapons are left by the wayside. Even on Gold, you'll get tossed out of a lobby full of, "elite" players if you don't have the exact correct equipment for exactly what they think you need to do. Admittedly, it's because Gold requires a load of skill, a lot of luck, or a whole lot of pain if you aren't up to spec but still, it would be nice if other weapons were useful.

My Asari Adept uses an M-5 Phalanx X with Piercing Mod V and Barrel V, only because I can't have a +200% cooldown with my other pistols (except the Predator X, which I honestly do prefer anywhere but Gold because I swear it fires a lot faster than the Phalanx) and I still catch crap from my fellow players.

[niko20]

Oh C'mon people used to say the same thing about Vanguards, that they are useless in gold, and then a guy comes along and posts a video showing a vanguard team taking down gold in 15 minutes flat!

If you can find the way to use it, any weapon can be used. It may not be as effective as another of course, but that's why there are different weapons, Also on Gold everything has heavier armor, you don't bring a sword to a gunfight right? You gotta bring the heavy hitting weapons to Gold. On Silver all weapons still work pretty good.

[sindrie111]

gavinjeffes wrote...

sindrie111 wrote...

AR's SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the Avenger needs fixing BAD, and the carnifex needs to be nurfed also, most snipers are crazy OP.
But am I the only one who thinks skills like warp, overload,incinerate, and cryo are complete crap on silver and up....

Edit: The revenant(?) is pretty good actually but all other are fail.

Incorrect on all counts. Watch some YouTube videos of people clearing gold. Biotics and crowd control like overload win games, not revenants. The avenger is pretty solid, especially considering its a standard weapon. I run with it on my adepts pretty often on silver.

Yes, snipers and the carnifex are great weapons, but only in the hands of good players. Maybe play a little more and then post more educated opinions on the forums after you've learned something.

Btw I'm not upset with you specifically, just people whining that guns/abilities need to be nerfed. The more I play this game, the more appreciation I have for different classes and weapons. Maybe try out some of the weapons you think are op and then you'll see that they're strong, but have significant disadvantages as well. A good player just finds a way to marginalize these weaknesses.

I have used all of them I have almost every gun I have the carnifex and the N7-valiant which is most likely the most OP of the multiplayer weapons, widow which I think sucks... but I was saying the avenger sucks and thats fact..... it's Dps is petty, I have promoted around 7-8 classes I have a 190 N7 rating so i'm not a newb as your implying, it's just I own more then just mass effect 3 so I tend to play other games.....

[sindrie111]

MissMinaethiel wrote...

sindrie111 wrote...

MissMinaethiel wrote...

sindrie111 wrote...

AR's SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the Avenger needs fixing BAD, and the carnifex needs to be nurfed also, most snipers are crazy OP.
But am I the only one who thinks skills like warp, overload,incinerate, and cryo are complete crap on silver and up....

Edit: The revenant(?) is pretty good actually but all other are fail.

Most snipers are powerful because of the lack of a large clip size like most ARs have. Gotta be able to pack quite a punch for the lack of bullets you're able to shoot. Warp is really not meant to be a power on it's own to use as it's a popular base/trigger for biotic explosions, Overload is a shield/barrier killer, cryo is only for freezing enemies, and incinerate is good against a pretty fair amount of armored/non-shielded units dpending on the path of advancement. I use warp a ton on silver and it works just fine.

As for the Revvie, it may have a large clip size and RoF, but the accuracy is terrible and is fairly inaccurate even with the stability mod. And have you TRIED the Mattock? That thing is a machine if you have a quick trigger finger.

I dislike the mattocks backwards recoil but it is good.

But no I disagree look at shotguns even with small clip sizes and the need to be used with in kissing distance they still suck.... obviously besides geth shoty wich is really good and I have not used the claymore yet so don't know abot that.

Ya but those are shotguns, not snipers. Whereas shotguns have an accuracy dip the further you are away from the them (and subsequently a damage reduction for the lack of projectiles hitting the target), a Widow, for example, has one shot and is pinpoint accurate if aimed correctly. It had one shot in it's clip. One shot to drop an enemy and/or stop them in their tracks. They're also clumsy in a close range setting unless you're good at quick-scoping. And most ARs also weigh a heck of a lot less. The Widow itself weighs a bit more (maybe a bit less) than the Avenger and Mattock combined.

So how do you overcome a small clip size and massive weight plus the lack of close-range efficiency? You pack a lot of punch into that one shot. All guns have their strengths and weaknesses. Problem is, ARs seem to be weak in pretty much everything. The other guns don't so much need a nerf; the weaker guns just need a buff.

OK I can agree that it's just all the weak guns need buffs, though I think the widow sucks personally, the n7- valiant is a much better gun.

[SinerAthin]

niko20 wrote...

Oh C'mon people used to say the same thing about Vanguards, that they are useless in gold, and then a guy comes along and posts a video showing a vanguard team taking down gold in 15 minutes flat!

If you can find the way to use it, any weapon can be used. It may not be as effective as another of course, but that's why there are different weapons, Also on Gold everything has heavier armor, you don't bring a sword to a gunfight right? You gotta bring the heavy hitting weapons to Gold. On Silver all weapons still work pretty good.

It's a notable difference between classes and weapons.

Also, just because you can kill something with it doesn't make a weapon balanced.

Balance means that all weapons should be equally powerful.
If you have to be a pro gamer just to be able to score as much with your Predator as a newb with the Carnifex, then that means that the Predator is not properly tuned.


A good game will have weapons as a preferences. All weapons will have different strenght and weaknesses, but overral they will be just as strong as each other.

If some weapons are just not usable why are they even in the game?

A good example of bad balancing are Assault Rifles:

How come an Assault Rifle that weights more than a pistol is still inferior to said pistol?

That is not balance. The Assault Rifle weights more but it doesn't make up for its weight in superior firepower. The pistol outclass it in both damage AND weight.

If it had been properly balanced, it would have been like this:

Pistol: Lower damage but lower weight.
Assault Rifle: Higher weight but also higher damage.

NOT

Pistol: Higher damage and lower weight.
Assault Rifle: Lower damage and higher weight.

Modifié par SinerAthin, 01 avril 2012 - 11:27 .

[PirateT138]

I have a strong urge to curb stomp anyone that says nerf.

Rare weapons, especially higher tier ones (VIII, IX, and X) SHOULD be beastly, mouthbreathers.

Nothing needs nerfing, other weapons need buffing.

[RazRei]

I have to agree. You'll only see a select handful of weapons in this game used.

What's funny however is the nerfherders of the forum that want's buffs for the mobs and nerfs to characters will argue with you till death that all weapons are fine. It isn't since there is a huge balancing issue. You'll hear the same group also spew about how all AR's are fine and you're just not good at the game but all AR's needs an improvement if they wanna be gold worthy. The only AR that was actually nice to take to Gold was the Falcon since you clean up the trash and keep the objective area clear for your team with. Hell it made the soldier class fun to play with on gold since you where helping out a lot more than you can now with a soldier.

Gold games you'll always see the Valiant, Widow, Black Widow, Javelin, Canifex HandCannon, Paladin, Claymore, Geth Pulse Shotgun, Graal Spike Thrower, and the token light weight weapon for power users (Avenger/Predator etc). No one seriously uses any of the SMG/AR's in a gold game.

SinerAthin wrote...
Balance means that all weapons should be equally powerful.

I disagree with this comment to a point.  All weapons shouldn't be equal but there should be a point to most of them.

And no Nerfs but should bring up some of the **** weapons up to speed.

Modifié par RazRei, 01 avril 2012 - 11:44 .

[niko20]

RazRei wrote...

I have to agree. You'll only see a select handful of weapons in this game used.

What's funny however is the nerfherders of the forum that want's buffs for the mobs and nerfs to characters will argue with you till death that all weapons are fine. It isn't since there is a huge balancing issue. You'll hear the same group also spew about how all AR's are fine and you're just not good at the game but all AR's needs an improvement if they wanna be gold worthy. The only AR that was actually nice to take to Gold was the Falcon since you clean up the trash and keep the objective area clear for your team with. Hell it made the soldier class fun to play with on gold since you where helping out a lot more than you can now with a soldier.

Gold games you'll always see the Valiant, Widow, Black Widow, Javelin, Canifex HandCannon, Paladin, Claymore, Geth Pulse Shotgun, Graal Spike Thrower, and the token light weight weapon for power users (Avenger/Predator etc). No one seriously uses any of the SMG/AR's in a gold game.

You guys are right, you won't see those weapons in Gold. But I stil don't understand WHY we care to see them? Do people want to use SMG's in gold? I mean isn't a sniper rifle always going to be more powerful than an SMG anwyay, thereby causing more people to choose it?

[golyoscsapagy]

Plerion wrote...
The Carnifex, Black Widow, Geth Plasma Shotgun basically dominate the multiplayer.

Lol.

Carnifex is the best gun for classes which won't shoot even once during the whole match. For anyone else, I'd rather take that -20% recharge rate and grab a paladin if I so much want a pistol. But I usually go with one gun instead, and it won't be a heavy pistol.

BW is the best sniper against trash. It is around 20% behind javelin against elite mobs - which you should kill as an infiltrator. there are 3 more guys in a team, why on earth do you want to snipe trash? They can do it just fine.

GPS lags behind claymore against elite mobs especially against armor. No headshot bonus as well (sure, when they fix prime/atlas it will only matter against phantoms, but up until that point I destroy one of them so fast it's not even funny). GPS and claymore both oneshots trash. It's a matter of preference really, I personally like claymore better, but seen quite a few people with gps doing well.

So yes, those are truly the best weapons until you keep on repeating the dumb half-reasons some forum posters dreamt up.

[Father Alvito]

RazRei wrote...

 No one seriously uses any of the SMG/AR's in a gold game.

I take the Hornet to Gold all the time on a Turian Sentinel and lead scoreboards.  Others have success with the Mattock on various classes, although I can't stand the thing and find it's an inferior, heavier version of the Hornet on a Turian.

Notice how those are the higher damage per shot weapons in the class.  The problem is the armor mechanics, which take off a fixed amount of damage per shot that escalates with difficulty.  That more or less turns most rapid fire weapons into Geth Pulse Rifles on Gold against armored targets.

[fafnir magnus]

sindrie111 wrote...

AR's SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the Avenger needs fixing BAD, and the carnifex needs to be nurfed also, most snipers are crazy OP.
But am I the only one who thinks skills like warp, overload,incinerate, and cryo are complete crap on silver and up....

Edit: The revenant(?) is pretty good actually but all other are fail.

april fools? powers outclass weapons for people who have the neural maps to pull off combos.

[SinerAthin]

niko20 wrote...



You guys are right, you won't see those weapons in Gold. But I stil don't understand WHY we care to see them? Do people want to use SMG's in gold? I mean isn't a sniper rifle always going to be more powerful than an SMG anwyay, thereby causing more people to choose it?

They want diversity.

Using the same weapons over and over again is boring.


They want to be able to pick their own weapons without nerfing their team and causing a wipe.

[RazRei]

niko20 wrote...
You guys are right, you won't see those weapons in Gold. But I stil don't understand WHY we care to see them? Do people want to use SMG's in gold? I mean isn't a sniper rifle always going to be more powerful than an SMG anwyay, thereby causing more people to choose it?

I wouldn't mind using an SMG in gold.  High amount of ammo in the magazine, does lesser dmg than a AR in mid/long range but good in mid/short range, lesser dmg than a "heavy pistol" but the higher fire rate should equal out the dmg.

[sindrie111]

SinerAthin wrote...

niko20 wrote...



You guys are right, you won't see those weapons in Gold. But I stil don't understand WHY we care to see them? Do people want to use SMG's in gold? I mean isn't a sniper rifle always going to be more powerful than an SMG anwyay, thereby causing more people to choose it?

They want diversity.

Using the same weapons over and over again is boring.


They want to be able to pick their own weapons without nerfing their team and causing a wipe.

/\\ This

[Sabbatine]

Aranha wrote...

Sounds like you havent started playing gold yet mate. 80% or auto ARs and SMGs hit armored targets for 5 damage per bullet as there is a 50 damage reduced per shot without Armor Pierce. Useless!

Thank you for putting your ignorance on display before confirming it with your weapon list.  First off, a weapon's ability to damage armor is not the sole factor one can use to determine whether it is useless or not.  You might think so, but that's probably why the only gold game you've ever seen (and even this is a bit difficult to believe) is against cerberus on firebase white.

Aranha wrote... 

Everyone is using the Carniflex, Black Widow and Geth Plasma Shotgun those are the most used guns in the game + Widow, Paladin.

Except for the vast majority of people who don't use the carnifex, black widow, geth plasma shotgun, widow, or paladin.

Aranha wrote... 

Entirely useless on Gold:

[*]M-3 Predator[*]M-23 Katana[*]M-4 Shuriken
[*]M-8 Avenger
[/list][*]M-22 Eviscerator[*]M-9 Tempest[*]M-12 Locust[*]M-13 Raptor[*]M-27 Scimitar[*]M-97 Viper[*]M-29 Incisor
[*]Phaeston
[/list][*]Geth Pulse Rifle
[*]Arc Pistol
[*]M-37 Falcon[*]M-76 Revenant[/list]Pretty much by picking any of these weapons gimps your team on GOLD!

When a person can't follow simple instructions, like making a list of useless non-smg weapons, without screwing it up it becomes exponentially harder to believe their argument.  Next time, don't include a bunch of SMGs on your list...

Moving on:

More than half of the weapons you listed function just fine on gold difficulty.  Including the Falcon and Avenger in particular reveals your ignorance because both of those weapons remain extremely effective despite low damage against armor... but your most hilarious inclusion is the viper.  The viper is an excellent weapon on all difficulties.  Aside from the valiant and black widow, it is perhaps the best all around sniper rifle in the entire game.

You may not be able to figure out how to use a wepaon effectively on any difficulty, but this has no bearing whatsoever on that weapon's actual quality.

Modifié par Sabbatine, 01 avril 2012 - 11:50 .

[Chrumpek]

Aranha wrote...


Entirely useless on Gold:

[*]M-3 Predator[*]M-23 Katana[*]M-4 Shuriken
[*]M-8 Avenger
[/list][*]M-22 Eviscerator[*]M-9 Tempest[*]M-12 Locust[*]M-13 Raptor[*]M-27 Scimitar[*]M-97 Viper[*]M-29 Incisor
[*]Phaeston
[/list][*]Geth Pulse Rifle
[*]Arc Pistol
[*]M-37 Falcon[*]M-76 Revenant[/list]Pretty much by picking any of these weapons gimps your team on GOLD!

No you don't .... Geth pulse rifle is great since it weight nothing and can be used by any class that wants low cooldown and at the same time wants to have tons of ammo to use ammo powers. And as this, most of those weapons you showed have their uses, some until you unlock better, some for specific class/encoutner - this is how multiplayer progression works this days.

[RazRei]

Sorry you don't play on successful gold team on any system.

Chrumpek wrote...
No you don't .... Geth pulse rifle is great
since it weight nothing and can be used by any class that wants low
cooldown and at the same time wants to have tons of ammo to use ammo
powers. And as this, most of those weapons you showed have their uses,
some until you unlock better, some for specific class/encoutner - this
is how multiplayer progression works this days.

Sorry but small MP games like this that have weapons makes it so that you can still use the beginning weapons even at later levels.  

IE the Juggernaut of our generation MP game COD makes the starter weapons just as viable and useful as the last weapon you unlock.

Modifié par RazRei, 01 avril 2012 - 11:55 .

[Chrumpek]

I just saw falcon on that list of yours..... ROFL you got no clue man :>

and you put revenant! Why not add Javelin also, it has a lil delay before it shoots! 

Modifié par Chrumpek, 01 avril 2012 - 11:55 .

[Chrumpek]

RazRei wrote...

Sorry you don't play on successful gold team on any system.

Chrumpek wrote...
No you don't .... Geth pulse rifle is great
since it weight nothing and can be used by any class that wants low
cooldown and at the same time wants to have tons of ammo to use ammo
powers. And as this, most of those weapons you showed have their uses,
some until you unlock better, some for specific class/encoutner - this
is how multiplayer progression works this days.

Sorry but small MP games like this that have weapons makes it so that you can still use the beginning weapons even at later levels.  

IE the Juggernaut of our generation MP game COD makes the starter weapons just as viable and useful as the last weapon you unlock.

But this is not CoD for better or worse (hyhy), I still find most weapons usefull, depending on the current playstyle ofc ~^

[hector000]

geth rifle tickles enemies in gold

and they never die of laughter

Modifié par hector000, 02 avril 2012 - 12:02 .

[Chrumpek]

hector000 wrote...

geth rifle tickles enemies in gold

doesn't really matter

[Father Alvito]

Chrumpek wrote...

Geth pulse rifle is great since it weight nothing and can be used by any class that wants low cooldown and at the same time wants to have tons of ammo to use ammo powers.

So you can:
a) Take a Geth Pulse Rifle, get 200% cooldown, and fire blanks.
Take a Carnifex, get 200% cooldown, and strip several bars from a Geth Prime in just a few seconds with your gun.

This does not seem to be a difficult choice.

[RazRei]

Chrumpek wrote...
But this is not CoD for better or worse (hyhy), I still find most weapons usefull, depending on the current playstyle ofc ~^

I try to see the good in most weapons but I can't.  

Here's an example for you:

The Arc Pistol is consider a rare weapon in the game.  It is the only charge up for dmg pistol in the game.  Its also supposed to work like overload with a shock ability but......its damn heavy and does not on the field give you the same results as the Carnifex.

The N7 rare Talon....yeah enough said.

the M99 Saber - heavy, log dmg, low fire output for an N7 rare AR

I could go on but they really should do something about these underwhelming weapons in the game.