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[D.I.Y_Death]

Make: Fix some bugs, give us some DLC with post-ending story

Break: Continue to ignore the legit concerns of your ME3 player base, continue to release false press statements, continue with this "art" argument. Seriously, what kind of company tries to defend themselves in this kind of PR nightmare? Everyone would just go away if BW would give a bi-weekly status update or something, keep us in the loop...we're your bread and butter.

[AlanC9]

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

Make:
Keep the promise they did for ME3
Break:
Anything else,

Which promise did they break, again? Nobody ever promised a happy ending.

[Homey C-Dawg]

I'm paying close attention to how they are handling this ending debate. For me it really comes down to whether they can get off their arrogant high-horse and show a bit of humility. It's uncommon to find a public statement from Bioware these days where they aren't talking about how great they are.

[Beeno4Life]

Make:
A tasteful and Bioware-level alternate ending DLC.

Break:
If said DLC needed to be paid for.

[streetmark]

fully broken if they don't fix the ending

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

paptschik wrote...

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

I really don't have a dog in this race: (Ending haters and Apologist) but you apologist are actually bigger whiners than the ending haters. Get over the fact that people disagree with you and stop b!tching.

While I somewhat agree (despite being someone that likes the ending), the people that dislike the ending have a sadly fairly vocal group among that, frankly, are just offensive and insulting. They're just "some" of them, but that doesn't keep them from being an annoying example. And even more so than the annoying people that have to defend the ending at every corner, those disliking it seemingly have to bring that topic up in every thread. It's a bit disheartening, that any bit of positive thinking by anyone is seemingly followed by "I think the ending sucks. Your opinion is invalid." People can dislike it, people can be vocal about that, but they could also be less insulting at the same time.

Well it's good to see that there is someone here who likes the ending but is civil about it. I have lurked at both groups and agree that there is enough whining on both sides. I have yet to play the game since the import bug has stopped me dead. (that is the crux of my dissapointment at this time) However I did get a peak at all of the endings and I have to say that it underwhelmed me. Having said that, from what I have understood from others issues with the game: the MP/Galactic Readiness, auto dialog and my personal issue (no vehicle combat) The ending is the least of the problems as far as I'm concerned.

The reason why I side with those that dislike the ending as opposed to those who defend it is: setting all the whining aside between both sides one actually does make some interesting poinst as to why the ending doesn't work while the other side doesn't. All I have seen from the apologists is: "you just want a happy cliche ending" or "you don't get it'. Hardly a compelling defense...

[TheRealJayDee]

Make:
I'm curious about this myself by now

Break:
Just continue doing what they do atm

[Poleaxe]

I used to be a fan of Bioware, now I am a consumer. Consumers make decisions on a per product basis.

[Artemis_Entrari]

Make:
BioWare addressing the ending concerns in a meaningful way.  Right now the ending as it is, is disappointing.  Simply adding a slideshow to it won't really address the overall problems with it.  Also, if this is indeed done via DLC, then I'd hope it's more Shadowbroker quality, than Witchhunt quality.

Break:
BioWare completely ignoring the ending concerns with more empty platitudes about listening, but then move on to announcing DLC that has absolutely zero to do with the ending, or at best, half-assed DLC that doesn't really offer any sort of closure or clarification about wtf is going on at the end of the game.

[gadenp]

Poleaxe wrote...

I used to be a fan of Bioware, now I am a consumer. Consumers make decisions on a per product basis.

This might just be the best statement to sum up the out come of Mass Effect 3 for me.

Before ME3, bought everything on faith.
After ME3.... what faith?

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Make: Bioware going back to their root and keeping the new polish. Jade Empire/ME1 crossed with ME2 type polish.

Break: more Day 1 DLC made during initial development.

[gabewpashere]

Make: A Better ending. Indoc theory would be the cool because it feels like it ties in. If bioware planned this from the start, BRAVO!

Break: Sticking with that stupid "Artistic Integrity" bs. That is just saying: "Hey fans, we don't care if you like it or not, we are doing what we want.

Guess where that leaves us? 1 side gets the angry fans back (lots of love ) and the other makes those angry fans never come back.

[TheRealJayDee]

Poleaxe wrote...

I used to be a fan of Bioware, now I am a consumer. Consumers make decisions on a per product basis.

This! And I'm not a "been playing their games since Shattered Steel" or even "since Baldur's Gate" fan, I was one the so desired "new fans". They won me over with DA:O and ME, and likely lost me with DA2 and ME3.

Not neccessarily as a customer, that is, but as a fan. Which for the future essentially means: no more preorders, no purchase until long after release, less chance of getting DLCs, less chance of talking friends into buying their games etc.



edit: formating

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 03 avril 2012 - 01:04 .

[Overule]

A real goddamn apology for the lies pre and post release. Oh, and a press release that doesn't read like a passive aggressive memo sent between bickering mid management types.

[LilyasAvalon]

Make: PAID (I'm willing to meet Bioware halfway) DLC or an Expansion pack that redoes the ENTIRE ending sequence, or at least redoes everything that happens after Shepard rides the magic elevator to StarChild. Or a Kal'Reegar Squadie/LI DLC. That works too.

Break: Bioware's first announced DLC being an MP or Alt. Appearance pack, to me, that SCREAMS that they're not taking out concerns seriously and/or don't give a rats ass.

[Dakota Strider]

Make: Bioware goes back to its RPG roots, and starts to put the story and roleplay as the number one priority in its future games.

Break: Continue down the path of catering to the cinematic shooter, arcade style fans, that think good rpg's is simply watching cutscenes, and choosing different weapons to shoot your enemies with.

[Brynj]

I'm not in the camp that's demanding or even expecting any changes to the ending, but I fully agree with their sentiments on the poor ending. I don't think there is any make or break point that exists for me anymore. No more preorders, day one purchases, or 'planned trilogies' for me, thanks.

Mass Effect was sold on its story and your decisions, to the point I couldn't wait to see where the narrative would lead. The story was my game, what came in-between was just a fun distraction. The ending completely invalidates what I loved about Mass Effect. No, I won't invest in any more planned series where I have to rely on Bioware not screwing up the following games. That ship has sailed.

I won't swear off Bioware, but I'll wait well past their release date and fan reviewed before I make that mistake again.

[chengthao]

[quote]TheRealJayDee wrote...

[quote]Poleaxe wrote...

I used to be a fan of Bioware, now I am a consumer. Consumers make decisions on a per product basis.[/quote]

This! And I'm not a "been playing their games since Shattered Steel" or even "since Baldur's Gate" fan, I was one the so desired "new fans". They won me over with DA:O and ME, and likely lost me with DA2 and ME3.

quote]

same here . . . got "hooked" in with ME and bought KOTOR b/c it was made by the same company

[paptschik]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Make: PAID (I'm willing to meet Bioware halfway) DLC or an Expansion pack that redoes the ENTIRE ending sequence, or at least redoes everything that happens after Shepard rides the magic elevator to StarChild. Or a Kal'Reegar Squadie/LI DLC. That works too.

Break: Bioware's first announced DLC being an MP or Alt. Appearance pack, to me, that SCREAMS that they're not taking out concerns seriously and/or don't give a rats ass.

I actually think that would be likely and logical, because it seems noticably cheaper and easier to produce than full on story DLC, especially in regards to something like an appearance pack. If the story DLC takes time..that's fine for me.

[The Anti-Saint]

Make:

-Fix ME3 ending; plenty of ideas so I won't go into that...must be free.
-Release Aria DLC...The Alpha of Omega. She has some heads to crack, and I want to see it in all the bloody detail.
-KOTOR 3, because SWTOR is just not good enough...and I've had it with WoW clones.
-Fix the formatting on this forum.

Break:

-Charge for ending DLC
-Release more craptastic DLC's with BS guns, and costumes; these things should be included with actual story content.
-Screw up DA3; yeah, that's not now, but I include it anyways.

Modifié par The Anti-Saint, 03 avril 2012 - 01:15 .

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

AlanC9 wrote...
Which promise did they break, again? Nobody ever promised a happy ending.

-Not A/B/C ending.
-Not being forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets. Hell, I made dozens of decisions about Mass Effect, and as they also said they don't have to worry about tieing ME3 to another game.
-Not being forced to play somebody else Shepard. Mine doesn't even listen things he consider stupid, so agreeing with it...
-Not "Lost" ending which leaves fan with more questions than answers.
-Not having to play multiplayer (I can't actually, I don't pay for X360 multiplayer) to have access to all the single player content.
Happy ending would only be the icing on the cake, but I can live with an horrible fate of an ending as long as it result from my Shepard's decisions instead of just being forced decision on the player.

Modifié par Kakita Tatsumaru, 03 avril 2012 - 01:13 .

[Wraith8957]

Justin2k wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

I honestly think you and the retake people should probably just move on. I don't think Bioware/EA seem to be making you happy with their products anymore and there is alternatives out there. This way the social network can get back to the small community it was without all the negativity that these people bring.

bro even though i agree its very annoying about the retake movement but chill out though

spamming there threads will make you know different then them

I know man, but it's like every single thread is entitled whining now.  I miss how it was before.

While you are entitled to your opinion, remember all of these people have opinions too.  Instead of acknowledging that fact you decide to come onto the forums.  Call all of us whiners who feel that the game was misleading and ruined by the ending.  

Seriously man we all want this to blow over to.  I miss the days where a majority of us on these forums actually talked about pleasant things and didn't fight to this degree.  But it's not going to change until Bioware acknowledges that a large number of fans are angry at what product they deliever.  Instead of calling us whiners why can't you let us vent.  Like how you just vented about missing the forums before. 

Life changes constantly.  This is one of those things that is not going to go away for a long time.  The easy way for things to go back to how they were (for the most part) is for Bioware to change the damn ending, via patch/dlc.  That way if you liked the original endings bam you don't need the changed versions.  Seriously they advertised 16 different endings that would vary greatly.  

Also man don't call people names like whiners or anything to that degree.  You want things to be friendly and kind start putting yourself out there like how you'd want to be treated.  I don't think you want me or anyone else calling you names and saying your a whiner and that you shouldn't be entitled to your opinion.

[Kanner]

Bioware IS broken right now.

Anytime I wonder if that statement is a bit too strong or whatever I just have to think of the ME3 ending. And... some of the other questionable choices they went with in that game (the eavesdropping planet scanning sidequests, for instance).

[Oldbones2]

Break: Call me part of a vocal minority again (this doesn't matter, I am a loyal customer since BG) while assuring me that something is being done about the ending. Then they do nothing about the ending.

Make: Release an Alt ending where I can tell RGC to **** off. Or IT. Or Shepard dies beside Anderson, then role epilogue. Anything really other than the current ending.

[Oldbones2]

Break: Call me part of a vocal minority again (this doesn't matter, I am a loyal customer since BG) while assuring me that something is being done about the ending. Then they do nothing about the ending.

Make: Release an Alt ending where I can tell RGC to **** off. Or IT. Or Shepard dies beside Anderson, then role epilogue. Anything really other than the current ending.