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[Blastback]

Tazzmission wrote...


kotor 3 ( dont deny it yall want it)

While I want this as much as anyone, you do realise that the descion of wheter or not KotOR 3 ever gets made is up to Lucasarts, not Bioware right?

[Evenjelith]

Justin2k wrote...

Metalunatic wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

I honestly think you and the retake people should probably just move on. I don't think Bioware/EA seem to be making you happy with their products anymore and there is alternatives out there. This way the social network can get back to the small community it was without all the negativity that these people bring.

End of day, if you don't enjoy something, just go do something else.  Life is too short.

Yes, we understand you like the ending and defend Bioware's obvious mistakes concerning it. No need to post on every thread that criticises the game.

Most of the people in the Retake Movement continue to make their voices heard becouse they love the series and feel like it deserves a better ending, not becouse they hate it and want to troll here just to kill time.

Nothing will be done about it if we all just stay quiet.

Unfortunately the Retake movement has been tainted.  You do realise that Bioware staff and ME voice actors and that probably hate you right?  Chobot's speech was an example, as has been some bioware twitters.  Some of you have been absolutely disgusting in the way you've done this.

I don't love the ending, nor do i accept there weren't mistakes.  That being said, it's not worth trolling a board for an entire month and that is exactly what you are doing.  Everything you guys post is negative so please stop pretending like you are a positive for the community because you guys have pretty much caused Bioware staff sleepless nights over a video game.

Again, as I've seen you do in a number of threads, YOU taint/paint the Retake movement with the same brush.

I love bioware, I love ME1, 2 & 99% of 3. The most memorable video game moments in my life have been in Bioware games (many in the ME franchise). In fact some of the best works of fiction I've experienced across all mediums have come out of Bioware. A HUGE thankyou to all the team who've worked on ME past and present.

That said, I would also love to see a new ending to ME3. I think Bioware dropped the ball and I should be able to express that opinion without being labelled an entitled whiner (as should everyone else in the movement). I've also not attacked anyone from Bioware directly nor any member of the voice acting cast.

By all means when someone goes overboard with a comment call them out on it; Bioware ban them from the social boards. But enough with the trolling. Throwing out generalised comments that we're all angry, entitled jerks really insults me and in no way contribues positively to the discussion.

And just so that we're clear, I'm not accusing everyone on the Anti-Retake side of doing this; just you in this instance.

[AlanC9]

Oldbones2 wrote...

Break: Call me part of a vocal minority again (this doesn't matter, I am a loyal customer since BG) while assuring me that something is being done about the ending. Then they do nothing about the ending.

Make: Release an Alt ending where I can tell RGC to **** off. Or IT. Or Shepard dies beside Anderson, then role epilogue. Anything really other than the current ending.

What if you tell RGC to **** off and he replies "OK, but then the cycle continues," and then it does? Is it just the act of telling him to **** off that's important?

[DJBare]

Make: deliver on their promises.
Break: don't deliver on their promises.

Or the hype engine needs severly toning down.

[Murkman4683]

Make: Three decent DLC expansions, with one of them (hopefully the first) explaining the endings or somehow come to a conclusion by branching the three ending choices into one single path explaining what happened and from there the journey continues.

ME4 and a decent Dragon Age 3.

Break: Bending over backwards for gamers on there next project the minute things start to get out of hand.

[Icinix]

If their next game is a game that I do not get invested in, and have no desire to immediately start again with a new game with ideas of new choices and directions and ideas in my head.

The BioWare magic is gone.

[CARL_DF90]

Speculation from me at this point would be a little pointless until we all get to see what Bioware is cooking to address the ending and Tali face debacles. Until they do those things, my disappointment will linger. There was a time where I would have bought something from them without hesitation. If it had "Bioware" on the package I would grab and go along with my wallet. Now? I think I'll wait for reviews to come out before buying anything from now on.

[i IIVIIorpheus]

Domber121 wrote...

After the last few years some BioWare fans, like myself, might have lost some of their faith in the company. I'm not giving up on them but not sure just what to make of them either. I can't image I'm the only one in this state of mind so I'm asking the board what would break, make you give up on them, and what would make, completely restore your faith, BioWare for you right now.

For me...

Make
At least three solid DLC packs on pair with Shadow Broker but this time bring in the voice actors for teammate chatter. One of these DLC packs needs to address the ending in some way even if its not the main focus of that DLC pack. I realize a 4th ending or rewrite is probably out of the question but closure and context isn't and it's desperately both needed and wanted.

Break
Not fixing galactic readiness. People were told they didn't need to play multiplayer for the best ending many times but it turns out you cant get the needed 5000 without it. This is not a subjective problem like the endings and it needs to be fixed. If they can't stand by their word or even apologize then I can't be a fan anymore. And charging for this would be inaproprate to say the least.  Also no lackluster DLC packs that feel more like cheep addons than content on pair with the rest of the game. Kasumi is a good exsample of this. Her mission was good but her and Zaeed felt out of place in comparisoin to the rest of the team

I agree with your make.  I want a lot of DLC on par that with LOTSB.  They are would be a a GREAT "we appreciate you" gesture.  Along with the banter, some explanation of the meaning we saw in the ending.  I planned on getting all ingame DLC anyway so Bioware will be getting my money.

Break:  Keeping the smug, arrogant, elitist attitude(like they have so far) towards supporters of this great trilogy who didn't like the ending.  You know, the people who PAY for their products.....

I loved 99% of the game Bioware.  I did not like the ending and thought it made absolutely ZERO sense.  Can I have the opinion without being called 'entitled"?  And will you actually LISTEN as to why MANY don't?

[Eragondragonrider]

Make: explain the ME3 god child clearly and what happened to dark energy, release a bunch of great DLCs for ME3, make Jade Empire 2 and KOTOR 3.

Break: add MP to DA universe or any future BioWare games that ruin SP experience by having MP be a requirement of getting the best endings. Make recycled maps in a DA game again.

[shnellegaming]

I want an apology for the untruthful PR campaign. Including the "Multiplayer not needed" to get the most complete ending post in this very forum. I mean people expect exaggeration but not outright lies.

I know it will never happen but that's the only thing that will get me to trust any PR or Interviews from Bioware anymore.

Modifié par shnellegaming, 03 avril 2012 - 04:37 .

[WtbJamesVega]

MAKE = They don't do what Capcom is doing. Which is going to require a hard 180.
BREAK = They keep going down the path they are going and wring us for money.

Modifié par WtbJamesVega, 03 avril 2012 - 04:40 .

[Strategyking92]

Make: A new ending or just minimize the god child somehow (the the most stupid plot twist in the history of video games) and hire storywriters that actually give a F***. (There is a nice pic that compares a bioware writer to an arenanet writer which says craploads of things)

break: Bioware says they are making Mass Effect content, but no ending. Oh, and that they are listening to fans to give them the perfect TOR experience. What a **** slap that would be to us Mass Effect people.

[Euno17]

Make: There is no way for them to win-me-back at the moment considering the fact that this is a third miss in a row (the two previous games being DA2 and then of course their Starwars MMO.) It should be understood that some of us are more then a little uneasy when it comes to purchasing Bioware games.

HOWEVER - in a few months (perhaps more) If they do a few things . . . there might be possibility that I could return on a game-by-game basis (basically they would be on probation and I would have to see what lies ahead.). COULD being the operative word here. 

First: Freaking re-make ME-3 (Sadly, with EA now controlling the Bioware Company - this would never happen). This game is pretty much hot-garbage. It's a half-assed game and that's the truth. The ending issues (even as there are many issues with the ending) aside - this game is just not a high-quality game. It feels more like a usual EA game (rushed/half-finished game pushed through the door.).

Second: Any and all DLC relating to half-assed/un-finished aspects of the game better be free DLC. I'm not paying for Bioware to fix the face-import issue or any or game-related issue that SHOULD have been tested thoroughly before they released the game.

And finally: Announce that Mac Walters will no longer be lead writer (probably shouldn't even do any story-line writing at all - just stick to character writing Mac) and that a certain lead writer from the first game be added back to the team. If Mac Walters is the lead writer for any of their games - I'm going to immediately put a label-warning on the game. Anyone who writes THAT ending does not deserve a second chance in this field.

I don't expect any of the above to happen in-fact since they are acting like the ending is 'fine' and that they are simply going to 'clarify' the ending - I expect after the 'clarification' they'll say that they are 'moving on' with a new project.

Modifié par Euno17, 03 avril 2012 - 04:52 .

[Calbeb]

I'm actually pretty happy with Bioware right now.

I would gain a lot of respect for them if they came out and responded fully to the ending complaint, justifying their decisions, even if I REALLY disagree with it.

They would need to seriously dissapoint me with a game to break them for me. Maybe Dragon Age 3 being worse than 2 could do that to me as well.

[craigdolphin]

I honestly don't know what Bioware can do to make me excited about them any more. There's a lot I could say about things they could do to royally ****** me off but...not sure how constructive it would be.

I'm worn and tired of the drm/origin shenanigans though. Didn't buy me3 because of it. Who knew I'd actually feel like I dodged a bullet by doing so? Weird. Sad. After da2, I was convinced the me team would salvage their reputation. Cannot believe it went awry the way it did. I hope the bioware execs realize how damaged their brand is becoming with much of their core audience.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Make: Release an expansion pack with extra ending choices, more clarification about the results, and additional missions that will help those of us who only play singleplayer raise our EMS scores so every option is available. Alternatively, just continue to create games I enjoy.

Break: Stop making games I enjoy. So, considering the fact that ME3's ending is the only major problem I've ever had with a BioWare game... I don't expect this to happen.

[Xandax]

For me - it all comes down to how they handle the ending. All the other things dwindle in that comparison for me.
I could live with their lackluster DLCs and day one DLCs etc because I'd buy or not depending - but selling me a game with those promises and then delivering what they did - that irks me more than anything else.
So .... if they start taking it serious and handle their fans and customers as they should and deliver what they said shortly before launch of ME3 they would deliver - that'll make/break Bioware for me.

Fool me once......

[Jayce]

I'm on the fence. In some ways I feel they're losing their touch; Celebrigeek cameos, cookie cutter level design, paid Day One DLC and shallow plotting are my all time bug bears and I'm seeing all four more and more in recent BW games.

In other ways however, I think they've made some really bold innovations, although their implementation has been a bit hit and miss.

The ending was a bit like Burridan's Ass. It's like they went for a bold, existentialist ending, got cold feet halfway there and ended up with neither one thing or the other. I LIKE what they were aiming for and Istand by that I just think they missed the mark spectacularly. So although I hope they do go back and make some serious improvements, it's not a make or break issue for me.

That said, pre-orders are off the table as far as I'm concerned, (though that has as much to do with the Game debacle as caveat emptor) but I'm far from writing Bioware off.

Modifié par Jayce F, 03 avril 2012 - 08:02 .

[daftPirate]

So far, I'm not at the point that BioWare needs to prove anything to me. I'm loving some of the ideas in here (Epic Shadow Broker-esque DLC, or Arrival type stuff, that was good too). Just as long as BioWare keeps on keepin on, I'm fine.

[M2S SOLID JOSH]

make- 1.completely rewrite the end starting after u beat kai lang and make choices matter
           2.dragon age 3 MUST be as awesome as origins or better
break-1. acting like capcom ( you know what that means )
           2.enough with the false statements already. if u say this and that will be in the game, let it be in the game.http://social.biowar...ndex/10927975/1
           3. let EA walk all over you and repeat the same mistakes, dragon age 2, star wars mmo was such a insult imo since i cant even play the game, me3 ending and  first day/on disk dlc.
            4."clarification" dlc. nothing can clarify that horrid ending. like painting a mustache on the mona lisa

[Pee Jae]

Make: Release some kind of extension to the end that includes closure for the characters I've come to know over the course of the games. They don't have to change the ending, I'd just like to see it expanded upon.

Break: I'm not interested in other dlc until after that^ is addressed. Aside from multiplayer content I may or may not buy depending on if I think it's worth buying.

[Rabid Rooster]

M2S SOLID JOSH wrote...

make- 1.completely rewrite the end starting after u beat kai lang and make choices matter
           2.dragon age 3 MUST be as awesome as origins or better
break-1. acting like capcom ( you know what that means )
           2.enough with the false statements already. if u say this and that will be in the game, let it be in the game.http://social.biowar...ndex/10927975/1
           3. let EA walk all over you and repeat the same mistakes, dragon age 2, star wars mmo was such a insult imo since i cant even play the game, me3 ending and  first day/on disk dlc.
            4."clarification" dlc. nothing can clarify that horrid ending. like painting a mustache on the mona lisa

Pretty much this.

[BeefoTheBold]

Make:

1. Acknowledge that the endings were terrible and that they blatantly break pre-release promises made.
2. Commit to redoing the endings and rereleasing them FREE OF CHARGE.
3. Admit that including Chobot in the game was a terrible conflict of interest and pledge not to add anyone from the review industry into the games again going forward.
4. Fix the journal system in a patch (Easy one here)
5. Redo Tali's face to show some actual artistic creativity. This is horrifying insulting to those of us who had her as one of our favorite characters in the series.
6. Apologize. Not some half-***ed "we were surprised that anyone had any issues...look at our critic review scores!" crap. Admit wrongdoing and apologize for the things that were obviously not what was promised.
7. Commit to doing better in the future. Bioware's recent track record is subpar. Things like DA2, Arrival, Witch Hunt and the problems with ME3 are not acceptable. Pledge consistent quality and DLC that doesn't become mandatory to know what is going on in a storyline.

Break:
Continue what they've been doing the last couple of years.
Fail to fix the endings or try and charge for them.