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[Shared]

Canned Bullets wrote...

I hope not because it annoys me every time developers purposely put in Bible references just to make the characters and the story be more "biblical" and "World-bending."

Also the Normandy crashing on a planet was just some Adam and Eve stuff which would just devolve into an incest colony. Seriously you need at least a couple thoudand people to sustain a population to have it grow, not the 35 Normandy crew that landed in the middle of nowhere. 

Actually no, you just need 7 women (and some men offcourse....).... Thats what every human beeing on the planet is decended from.... "The 7 daughters of eve". Its been "proven" (they havent tested EVERYONE, but a large enough number from each etnitisity and continent to be fairly certain) with mitochondrial DNA, that there are only 7 variations in the worlds population, which means, 7 women are the origin of us all.

[Tali Zorah Vas Normandy]

I think this was an underlying theme of the game but never became so evident or cared about until this mess of an ending. It's cliche, overdone and pointless from a narrative standpoint when you're trying to create you're own story, not somebody else's.

Modifié par Tali Zorah Vas Normandy, 01 avril 2012 - 10:02 .

[Descy_]

 except Shepard doesnt die.

[zovoes]

The Angry One wrote...

Jesus rejected Satan's temptation.
Shepard accepted it.

ding ding ding someone got the analogy backfire there. really if they were trying for that then they really Fed it up.

[Hospitallar]

There might be SOME basis for that. For example, Christian theology dictates that Christ was both equal part human AND divine. Star-Child points out that Shepard is both organic and synthetic.

The use of Shepherd/Shepard is also startling but I don't think that's enough to hang your hat on.

And yes, one could read some the elements of sacrifice and redemption parallels between the two.

And ironically, PAX is going to take place on Good Friday.

But the Gospels do not end with the tomb blowing open in a red/blue/green technicolor explosion and in all four Gospels Jesus gets up again.

[nicksmi56]

Not at all

[Evil Minion]

No.

[legion999]

Eh OP Catholicism isn't the only group within Christianity. Others believe in Jesus too.

Oh and expect religion bashing to occur in 3-2- oh wait as I edit this post it's already happened. Great.

Modifié par legion999, 01 avril 2012 - 10:05 .

[Fogg]

wantedman dan wrote...

Jesus didn't condemn Earth to a Stone Age.

Altough Christians are still trying

[Zuka999]

Whats with all the hints in ME1 that being religious is weird in the future if they were just going to hamfistedly shove a bunch of religion allegories on us at the end of the trilogy? Why did we have to have that stupid Adam and Eve thing at the end? Why do we have that dumb "tell me more about the Shepard!" line? Its freaking painful. When will writers get it that this stuff doesn't sit well anymore? You're marketing towards a different generation. We're not religious like we used to be. We don't want this crap shoved down our throats.

Modifié par Zuka999, 01 avril 2012 - 10:05 .

[eddieoctane]

The Angry One wrote...

Jesus rejected Satan's temptation.
Shepard accepted it.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

And in all honesty, what the hell is Aslan doing in my sci-fi RPG anyway? You can't change a story into a Christian allegory in the last few minutes.

[Yokokorama]

Its funny you mention this. The ending of ME3 left me just as dumbfounded and ripped off as the "LOST" ending did. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that show yet.

Plus there are obvious parallels.  You know, Jack Shepard and Commander Shepard.  Not to mention both look almost the same.

Modifié par Yokokorama, 01 avril 2012 - 10:07 .

[ImmovableMover]

Nope.

Hell those links are weak and most of them are barely links, I mean COME ON you're comparing the Crucifix to The Crucible, seemingly, because it half-sort-of-not-really sounds similar?

He had 12 squad mates in ME2? Did he? I had 11. If you didn't have access to the Cerberus network you had 10.

I don't remember the illusive man EVER being my friend, nor my apostle squadmate.

"Shepard" isn't a link either, the name would have been chosen to be metaphorical of a literal Shepard, Not metaphorical of a metaphorical name of a literal Shepard given to a religious figure.

Awful, this **** is worse than the "Beings of light" crap.

Modifié par ImmovableMover, 01 avril 2012 - 10:07 .

[Apathy1989]

Zuka999 wrote...

Ugh, I hope not. The Adam and Eve thing with Joker and EDI is already idiotic.

Ugh indeed. Weak links are weak.

I get tired of people making Jesus comparisons every time someone sacrifices themselves. What sins is shepard specifically meant to be repaying?

[Fogg]

Yokokorama wrote...

Its funny you mention this. The ending of ME3 left me just as dumbfounded and ripped off as the "LOST" ending did. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that show yet.

Even the makers of Lost made the connection

[BatmanPWNS]

I don't think Jesus had pedo dreams about little children.

[wantedman dan]

Canned Bullets wrote...

TheVolusSuck wrote...

Plus, shepard and jesus are both jewish!

What? I'm pretty sure Commander Shepard is an Atheist.

You decide that in ME1. Mine isn't.

[Canned Bullets]

Shared wrote...

Canned Bullets wrote...

I hope not because it annoys me every time developers purposely put in Bible references just to make the characters and the story be more "biblical" and "World-bending."

Also the Normandy crashing on a planet was just some Adam and Eve stuff which would just devolve into an incest colony. Seriously you need at least a couple thoudand people to sustain a population to have it grow, not the 35 Normandy crew that landed in the middle of nowhere. 

Actually no, you just need 7 women (and some men offcourse....).... Thats what every human beeing on the planet is decended from.... "The 7 daughters of eve". Its been "proven" (they havent tested EVERYONE, but a large enough number from each etnitisity and continent to be fairly certain) with mitochondrial DNA, that there are only 7 variations in the worlds population, which means, 7 women are the origin of us all.

No, it was a couple thousand people we're all descended from after the Yellowstone Caldera erupted thousands of years ago, when the Caldera erupted there was a mass extinction event and those couple thousand humans left perservered. Also all of us are related to people like Genghis Khan and Julius Caeser because they procreated with A LOT of people. Seriously Genghis Khan sired over 70,000 offspring.

Modifié par Canned Bullets, 01 avril 2012 - 10:09 .

[Eudaemonium]

There are some pretty obvious biblical references in ME2: Death and Resurrection, 12 Disciples, several of the achievements and quests are bible references ('The Prodigal, Sins of the Father, A House Divided). However, they're probably just little cultural asides included in order to make the product seem 'deeper' and more 'symbolic'. You'd have to be willfully blind to not notice the references, but that's all they really are. My favourite stretch of ME-Biblical logic is pointing out that the Human Reaper is hanging like Jesus on the Cross in order to represent our salvation through destruction. I find that amusing.

Also, what The Angry One said.

[MEGoWH777]

DocDoomII wrote...

Didn't know Jesus embraced assault rifles.
But I'm atheist, I could be wrong...

You obviously haven't watched family guy

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par MEGoWH777, 01 avril 2012 - 10:12 .

[RethenX]

I honestly didn't want my Shepard being Space Christ.

I wanted Space Satan...

[ReallyRue]

Shepard died for our sins?

Jesus died to stop giant space fleas?

I'm not seeing it personally.

[wantedman dan]

Schrijver wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Jesus didn't condemn Earth to a Stone Age.

Altough Christians are still trying

Your nihilism is noted.

[Yokokorama]

Schrijver wrote...

Yokokorama wrote...

Its funny you mention this. The ending of ME3 left me just as dumbfounded and ripped off as the "LOST" ending did. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that show yet.

Even the makers of Lost made the connection

Freakin' hilarious.

[sistersafetypin]

Shared wrote...

Canned Bullets wrote...

I hope not because it annoys me every time developers purposely put in Bible references just to make the characters and the story be more "biblical" and "World-bending."

Also the Normandy crashing on a planet was just some Adam and Eve stuff which would just devolve into an incest colony. Seriously you need at least a couple thoudand people to sustain a population to have it grow, not the 35 Normandy crew that landed in the middle of nowhere. 

Actually no, you just need 7 women (and some men offcourse....).... Thats what every human beeing on the planet is decended from.... "The 7 daughters of eve". Its been "proven" (they havent tested EVERYONE, but a large enough number from each etnitisity and continent to be fairly certain) with mitochondrial DNA, that there are only 7 variations in the worlds population, which means, 7 women are the origin of us all.

Actually it's been proven that there was a catyclismic even that wiped out nearly all humans and that the result is that almost everyone has the marker of some form of seven variables. If we were all decedent of seven daughters from the same couple the variables would be much less distinct