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[Nuchy]

wantedman dan wrote...

Nuchy wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

Shepard died for our sins?

Jesus died to stop giant space fleas?

I'm not seeing it personally.

Well if you put it like that anything will sound stupid. 

How about
Jesus died for our sins and broke the cycle of sin
Shepard died for the Galaxy's sins(They wouldnt listen to his warnings and werent as prepared) and broke the cycles of the Reapers.

Broke the cycle of sin?

That would imply that sin would stop occurring. By your analogy, the Reapers would still be terrorizing us, just not every 50,000 years and they would only affect us AFTER we died.

Edit: 50,000 to 50,000 years. Forgot the unit of measurement.

Im not sure if you are familar with the Bible, but its cool if your not. Basically sin started with adam and eve, because they sinned, they were banished from the garden, and all humans were born with sin. When Jesus died on the cross, he freed everyone from their sin, allowing orginal sin to be washed away. The cycle was that humans were born with sin and couldnt get rid of it.

[Adhal]

 No, Jesus is symbolic of Shepard.

[Nuchy]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

If Jesus' death resulted in simulataneous explosions that kill every living being, why yes.

Im really tired of all these smart ass remarks, I saw one earlier that was like "Ohh I didnt know jesus used assault rifles" Its symbolic guys, if you're gonna be an ass then please dont respond. This is suppose to be an intelligent discussion, I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just wondering what you all think.

[Zuka999]

Nuchy wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

If Jesus' death resulted in simulataneous explosions that kill every living being, why yes.

Im really tired of all these smart ass remarks, I saw one earlier that was like "Ohh I didnt know jesus used assault rifles" Its symbolic guys, if you're gonna be an ass then please dont respond. This is suppose to be an intelligent discussion, I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just wondering what you all think.

We think its stupid.

[january42]

Not unless they decided to steal that from Deus Ex as well as the endings.

[coolbeans]

"jesus, my son, you must die for their sins"

"I accept lord, gladly"

"But first you must choose whether your death will:

A:)Make you become sin, assuming control of it and forcing it to leave the human race.
B:)Merges sin and Piety, forming a religious singularity
C:) Wipe out sin, this choice will also kill all Israelites.

In addition all of the above choices will kill all of the camels in existence."

[wantedman dan]

Nuchy wrote...

Im not sure if you are familar with the Bible, but its cool if your not. Basically sin started with adam and eve, because they sinned, they were banished from the garden, and all humans were born with sin. When Jesus died on the cross, he freed everyone from their sin, allowing orginal sin to be washed away. The cycle was that humans were born with sin and couldnt get rid of it.

I'm familiar enough to know that your analogy is still wrong.

What you're not taking account of is the fact that sin still exists, which is the point I was making. If Shepard really was Space-Jesus, he wouldn't destroy the Reapers--they just wouldn't be an automatic death sentence. They'd just be of consequence and terrorize you AFTER YOU DIED, just like sin.

[HKR148]

God I am getting sick of all this Jesus allegory that so many writers use it as a cop-out to their over-complicated story.

[Walfan]

wantedman dan wrote...

Jesus didn't condemn Earth to a Stone Age.

I'm not so sure about that.

[wantedman dan]

Walfan wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Jesus didn't condemn Earth to a Stone Age.

I'm not so sure about that.

Thanks for your valuable input.

[Vholien]

Surely the answer is both yes and no? There are similarities, which are present in all "saviour" figures in western culture, and are subconscious, but the main aspects are from a meme that pre-dates Christianity. Note that Shepard is a warrior, whereas the figure of Jesus is definitely not. The name "Shepard" is a reference to Alan Shepard, not Jesus.

[Ashilana]

HKR148 wrote...

God I am getting sick of all this Jesus allegory that so many writers use it as a cop-out to their over-complicated story.

At least it is less common now that it used to be... the farther you go back in western literature... the harder it is to avoid.  There are some nice things about being alive now.

[chris fenton]

The Angry One wrote...

Jesus rejected Satan's temptation.
Shepard accepted it.

[Dark_Caduceus]

If they shoehorned in some Christian allegory last minute for no apparent reason then, I dunno, forget the series.

[Nuchy]

wantedman dan wrote...

Nuchy wrote...

Im not sure if you are familar with the Bible, but its cool if your not. Basically sin started with adam and eve, because they sinned, they were banished from the garden, and all humans were born with sin. When Jesus died on the cross, he freed everyone from their sin, allowing orginal sin to be washed away. The cycle was that humans were born with sin and couldnt get rid of it.

I'm familiar enough to know that your analogy is still wrong.

What you're not taking account of is the fact that sin still exists, which is the point I was making. If Shepard really was Space-Jesus, he wouldn't destroy the Reapers--they just wouldn't be an automatic death sentence. They'd just be of consequence and terrorize you AFTER YOU DIED, just like sin.

Like I said, its symbolic, how could bioware have made it to where the reapers still bother the galaxy? That would be even less satisfying then the ending we get, imagine if only the Reapers in the Sol were destroyed. lol

[wantedman dan]

Nuchy wrote...

Like I said, its symbolic, how could bioware have made it to where the reapers still bother the galaxy? That would be even less satisfying then the ending we get, imagine if only the Reapers in the Sol were destroyed. lol

That's why your analogy is wrong.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Nah, Shepard's a pagan. She worships Kassa, Haliat, Armax, Elkoss, etc.

I really hope they weren't drawing biblical parallels, although this sacrifice bullsh*t at the end is a bit too much to swallow. And there seems to be a reference to that in a couple places earlier in the game in conversations - the sacrificing oneself for others thing. And there were other hidden biblical references, and not so hidden ones... like Purgatory.

[HKR148]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Nah, Shepard's a pagan. She worships Kassa, Haliat, Armax, Elkoss, etc.

I really hope they weren't drawing biblical parallels, although this sacrifice bullsh*t at the end is a bit too much to swallow. And there seems to be a reference to that in a couple places earlier in the game in conversations - the sacrificing oneself for others thing. And there were other hidden biblical references, and not so hidden ones... like Purgatory.

Hehehehe... Gun worshipper; least you can become a badass. Just throwing out Biblical reference without substance doesn't warrent Bioware to take the cop-out ending by employing Jesus allegory [bs]. Least in Narnia people saw the whole thing miles away from entire thing being full of Bibilical elements.

[The5Virtues]

Well let's see... Saved society even when they didn't comprehend his message. Died and resurrected. Heralded the coming of the end of civilization, but also brought in a new golden age (life after reapers) and is referred to as "The Shepard" in the final cinematic of the game.

I can't speak for anyone else but that's enough Jesus Allegory to leave a Matrix 3 aftertaste in my mouth!

[RenownedRyan]

Jesus Christ was a carpenter born in Nazareth. The Good Shepard was just a metaphor he used to describe himself. He also called himself a fisher of men, hence the Christ fish that we see on the back of so many vehicles. Does this mean that any protagonist named Fisher (i.e. Sam Fisher from Splinter Cell) is based on Jesus Christ?

Judas Iscariot was one of Jesus' disciples. The Illusive Man is a mentor for Shepard. Also, the Illusive Man didn't really betray Shepard. That comparison doesn't make much sense.

Jesus claimed to be the son of God. Most Christians believe that he was one of the three forms of God, also known as the Holy Trinity. He was not part-God, part-man as you describe.

Jesus was executed on a Crucifix, just as all those sentenced to death in Ancient Rome were. Shepard dies onboard the Crucible. A Crucible is a word meaning a severe test or trial.

Jesus Christ had 12 disciples and Shepard did have 12 squadmates in Mass Effect 2; if the player purchased DLC. If not Shepard had only 10 squadmates. In Mass Effect 3 Shepard has 7 squadmates counting DLC. Throughout the series Shepard has 24 squadmates, counting temporary squadmates and DLC.

All of the "similarities" between Shepard and Jesus are superficial and easily debunked. The developers have stated that Shepard is named after Alan Shepard, the first man in space.

Modifié par RenownedRyan, 01 avril 2012 - 10:40 .

[Woffen5]

hohum..

The reapers = God
Javik = Noah
Bearshark = Awesome

Modifié par Woffen5, 01 avril 2012 - 10:41 .

[Nuchy]

wantedman dan wrote...

Nuchy wrote...

Like I said, its symbolic, how could bioware have made it to where the reapers still bother the galaxy? That would be even less satisfying then the ending we get, imagine if only the Reapers in the Sol were destroyed. lol

That's why your analogy is wrong.

My analogy? I was asking you a question???

[ericjdev]

He's symbolic of jc denton who in turn is a Messianic figure. In this way they insure that the ending is not just derivative but doubles up on its lack of originality.

[Eudaemonium]

I didn't really notice much Christian symbolism in ME3, aside from the whole theme of sacrifice, but that is hardly specifically Christian. There was much more in ME2.

[wantedman dan]

Nuchy wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Nuchy wrote...

Like I said, its symbolic, how could bioware have made it to where the reapers still bother the galaxy? That would be even less satisfying then the ending we get, imagine if only the Reapers in the Sol were destroyed. lol

That's why your analogy is wrong.

My analogy? I was asking you a question???

I noticed, the point being, they can't.