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[Kanon777]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

The resurrection and name ("Shepard") didn't give you a hint? Of course it's cyber Jesus.

How dare you make such an obvious connection, you are clearly a religious fanatic!!!!

[Powerpetzi]

Shepard can be a woman. I've heard many claims about Jesus, but he being female was not one of them.

[lolerk53]

Canned Bullets wrote...

I hope not because it annoys me every time developers purposely put in Bible references just to make the characters and the story be more "biblical" and "World-bending."

Also the Normandy crashing on a planet was just some Adam and Eve stuff which would just devolve into an incest colony. Seriously you need at least a couple thousand people to sustain a population to have it grow, not the 35 Normandy crew that landed in the middle of nowhere. 

50 could sustain a race, if there are no enviromental hazards like predators or volcanos or other things that might affect it.

[Merwanor]

I like the fact that the resurrection of Shepard is more like humans playing god as people tend to say when science continue to disprove most religious stuff. There was no magic involved in Shepards resurrection, just science. The ending though was all just space magic and complete nonsense so I can't put it past Bioware for going all magic on us...

Best connection to Shepard to me is from Stargate Atlantis. Who does Joe Flanigan play in that serries. oh yeah.... Lt. Colonel John Sheppard..... And the default name for male Shepard is Jhon....

Modifié par Merwanor, 01 avril 2012 - 11:52 .

[Taboo]

Pity about the agnostic and atheist players.

Perhaps you meant Jesus-like?

[Senario]

Please no, as much influence as the bible has over some people. I think a biblical story is something that is completely overdone, not to mention doesn't fit into Mass Effect. I thought it was really really bad to have Joker and Edi make their "Adam and Eve" reference, and was angered further by referring to our hero as "The Shepard".

Doing a biblicaly symbolic ending really leaves a lot of fans disconnected from the story that we knew as "Fighting to unite diverse peoples to overcome insurmountable odds." Or at least it does for me. Shepard's name was chosen because of some Astronaut if I remember...not as a reference to Sheep herders.

[withneelandi]

I must admit the symbolism of Shepard did cross my mind, the rest ....not so much.

Also, jesus was a simple carpenter and pretty much a pacifist, Shep is a soldier and does a whole heap of going round killing things, if you play ultra paragon, he does act like a border line saint but no, I don't think it really works.

Also, if you play renegade shepard it really really doesn't work.

If you thought it through:

Tim was never really sheps friend, the judas analogy would have to be Garus, Joker or such to really work. It would have to at least be one of the 12.

The closest thing to any other jesus similarity is the Liara time capsule thingy, which is a bit like one of his diciples writing a gospel, but thats a bit tenuous.

All in all, no.

Ok, he goes around solving problems, but thats more an Hero thing than a Jesus thing,

[d-boy15]

not until the last 10 minutes forced shepard to be something he never be, "space jesus".

[BadlyBrowned]

The Angry One wrote...

Jesus rejected Satan's temptation.
Shepard accepted it.

[Adamantium93]

The "Jesus" archetype is actually pretty common in many stories.

[Jafryn]

Yes.

They call him "The Shepard" in that last scene, just in case the (attempted) allegory was too subtle for some people. They also had the Adam/Eve allegory at the end as well.

[Fjordgnu]

Adamantium93 wrote...

The "Jesus" archetype is actually pretty common in many stories.

I think "Messianic" is a better, broader term. Shepard doesn't really have a lot in common with Jesus ( thankfully ), but he certainly is a messianic character. Then again, so is Kane of Command & Conquer fame.

[Hexley UK]

Did jesus (assuming he exists) kill millions of people, side with Satan and then commit suicide?

No?

Thought not.

[withneelandi]

You can pretty much make as convincing an argument that Superman is supposed to represent jesus as you can Shepard.

Seriously, can anyone genuinely reconcile the fact that Shepard is a soldier in with this. If Shepard were supposed to represent a jesus figure his only weapon would have been blue paragon dialogue choices, not assault rifles.

I'm an agnostic, but I know enough about christianity do know the idea of a "soldier-jesus" is pretty off message. I'm pretty sure if I was a Christian I'd be a bit offended by the whole idea, infact I think I might be a bit offended by it anyway.

Modifié par withneelandi, 02 avril 2012 - 12:36 .

[Jafryn]

Hexley UK wrote...

Did jesus (assuming he exists) kill millions of people, side with Satan and then commit suicide?

No?

Thought not.

Because it's a really really bad Jesus allegory.

[Dreogan]

The christ-figure is a recurring literary archetype. Yes, Shepard is a christ-figure character.

Is he Space Jesus? No. He simply has a few attributes that "flavor" the character to make him stand out from the "normal" dudes in the story.

Just off the top of my head, I can pick him out as being the Chosen (prothean beacon), the Resurrected(ME2), the Ascended (citadel beam), and the Martyr(ME3). That's without even trying.

Being the only resurrected character is, in its own right, enough to peg him as a christ-figure character.

Modifié par Dreogan, 02 avril 2012 - 12:49 .

[Sir Bum]

I was unaware that Jesus destroyed the very society he was trying to protect.

[Nuchy]

Hexley UK wrote...

Did jesus (assuming he exists) kill millions of people, side with Satan and then commit suicide?

No?

Thought not.

well thats just one more reason to hate the ending

[withneelandi]

You can do this with pretty much much any major character in a epic story.

Just to prove how easy it is, lets take Darth Vader, this as far as I'm concerned is as convincing a case for Jesus Darth Vader as the OP makes for jesus Shepard.

Vader, aka Anakin Skywalker comes from a humble background in a sandy sandy land (Tattoine or however you spell it). Jesus Comes from a humble background in a sandly land (The middle east).



Both Jesus and Darth Vader were born of "virgin births".

Both die and come back to life (Anakin is reborn as darth vader)

Both are tempted by the darkside, but ultimately reject it (it just takes Vader a few films to do it)

And both ultimately sarifice themselve to save the world.

Now, lets be clear Darth Vader IS NOT supposed to be a jesus figure, its just an exercise in showing how easily you can make these sort of connections if you are looking for them.

[Auztin]

If they tried to do that they kinda suck presenting it then.I don't have problem with this but c'mon if they tried that they failed to set it up right.They shouldn't have had it done that way.But I don't thnk they were going for that.

[christrek1982]

what because Bioware felt it was a good idea to kill shepherd at the end no matter what? no that dose not make shepherd a symbolic anything just makes bioware lazy and unimaginative. or maybe you right and it was some quasi god Jesus BS witch just make it worse we aren't all believers and some of us just wanna enjoy a game with a satisfying ending.

[thepringle]

I hadn't seen anyone else post this before, but I think so, actually. When he said "The Shepard" I immediately though "Space Jesus?"

[Kanon777]

Jafryn wrote...

Yes.

They call him "The Shepard" in that last scene, just in case the (attempted) allegory was too subtle for some people. They also had the Adam/Eve allegory at the end as well.

"The Shepard" was too subtle for plenty of people actually, so this isnt a case of bioware underestimating the players inteligence...

[Kanon777]

withneelandi wrote...

You can do this with pretty much much any major character in a epic story.

Just to prove how easy it is, lets take Darth Vader, this as far as I'm concerned is as convincing a case for Jesus Darth Vader as the OP makes for jesus Shepard.

Vader, aka Anakin Skywalker comes from a humble background in a sandy sandy land (Tattoine or however you spell it). Jesus Comes from a humble background in a sandly land (The middle east).



Both Jesus and Darth Vader were born of "virgin births".

Both die and come back to life (Anakin is reborn as darth vader)

Both are tempted by the darkside, but ultimately reject it (it just takes Vader a few films to do it)

And both ultimately sarifice themselve to save the world.

Now, lets be clear Darth Vader IS NOT supposed to be a jesus figure, its just an exercise in showing how easily you can make these sort of connections if you are looking for them.

Cant you see how George Lucas wanted to make a paralel with vader story and jesus? I'm sorry but its pretty obvious that he did all of that cant be a coincidence...

[MrnDpty161]

Eeehh.... a bit of a reach OP. I have no idea where the last name Shepard came from - my guess is the astronaut, Allen Shepard - the first man in space.