The shield gate, according to a dev, is the lessening of damage when piercing through a shield. On bronze all damage gets through, on silver 25% gets through, but on gold all damage though shields is ignored. This is fine for the most part since snipers are already dominant, but the Javelin gets little love, requires more skill, cannot quick scope, and is an N7 weapon.
This is really the only thing that can make up for Javelin's weaknesses of extreme weight and the charge time before each shot. Otherwise I can't imagine using it over the Widow, especially if you have it leveled.
Suggestion: Javelin ignores shield gate mechanic.
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RamsenC
, avril 01 2012 10:16
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Posté 01 avril 2012 - 10:18
Kronner
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ShieldGate is a global setting, could be tricky to create exception just for Javelin.
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Posté 01 avril 2012 - 10:20
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Yea I figured it's some hardcoded thing that can't change, but here's hoping I'm wrong.
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Posté 02 avril 2012 - 02:04
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You can see and shoot through walls, i think its ok
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Posté 02 avril 2012 - 02:10
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Kevlar 113 wrote...
You can see and shoot through walls, i think its ok
I can shoot through walls with other sniper rifles, AND I don't get tunnel vision, and thus actually know where enemies are behind walls more often than when I use the Javelin.
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Posté 02 avril 2012 - 02:17
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The issue with the Javelin is more than simple damage versus weight adjustments can handle. As others have stated it has numerous limitations that make the Widow the ideal choice over it for single-shot snipers. I think this change would go a ways in making the Javelin more viable, especially considering its prohibitive weight and measily damage advantage over the Widow (which is also lower in rarity and 'easier' to upgrade).
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 01:15
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Shieldgate defeats the purpose of using the most powerful 1 shot rifles on Gold if you are not a Salarian Infiltrator. Which is really stupid. I mean a headshot from a Widow or Javelin not being able to 1 shot kill a measly Centurion is dumb. We choose 1 shot rifles and deal with their low ammo capacity, slow reload and costly mistakes to be able to 1 hit KO enemies.
So either:
1. Give us a 25% bleed trough on Gold globally
2. Give a 25% bleed through for headshots only
3. Give the Widow and Javelin a chance (50%) to knock down non-boss enemies
Shieldgate defeats the purpose of using the most powerful 1 shot rifles on Gold if you are not a Salarian Infiltrator. Which is really stupid. I mean a headshot from a Widow or Javelin not being able to 1 shot kill a measly Centurion is dumb. We choose 1 shot rifles and deal with their low ammo capacity, slow reload and costly mistakes to be able to 1 hit KO enemies.
So either:
1. Give us a 25% bleed trough on Gold globally
2. Give a 25% bleed through for headshots only
3. Give the Widow and Javelin a chance (50%) to knock down non-boss enemies
Modifié par Air Quotes, 20 avril 2012 - 12:28 .
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 01:34
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Kronner wrote...
ShieldGate is a global setting, could be tricky to create exception just for Javelin.
Eh, an exception already exists in jury-rigged form with shotguns. The javelin shoots a jet of liquid rather than a single projectile, within the lore I think it would make sense if it could ignore the shield gate... assuming the shield gate has some kind of meaning within the lore.
Either they could find a way to not have the mechanic apply to the javelin specifically, or they could simply turn it into a perfectly accurate shotgun that fires X slugs that hit the same spot simultaniously which greatly diminishes the shield gate effect on the javelin's over all damage.
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 01:35
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Can't quickscope?
I beg to differ...
Charge it as you scope in, and your target has 0 chance if you are any good at aiming.
I beg to differ...
Charge it as you scope in, and your target has 0 chance if you are any good at aiming.
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 01:35
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Also, the Kishock.Sabbatine wrote...
Kronner wrote...
ShieldGate is a global setting, could be tricky to create exception just for Javelin.
Eh, an exception already exists in jury-rigged form with shotguns. The javelin shoots a jet of liquid rather than a single projectile, within the lore I think it would make sense if it could ignore the shield gate... assuming the shield gate has some kind of meaning within the lore.
Either they could find a way to not have the mechanic apply to the javelin specifically, or they could simply turn it into a perfectly accurate shotgun that fires X slugs that hit the same spot simultaniously which greatly diminishes the shield gate effect on the javelin's over all damage.
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 01:36
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AGREED. Bioware, you really need to do this for the Javelin. It's an ultra-rare weapon that is insanely heavy and almost useless because of the shield-gate. Please allow the gun to ignore the shield gate.
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 01:37
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Without shieldgate, I think it would be OP. With it, it's UP. Maybe partial shield gate penetration?
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 01:38
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Kronner wrote...
ShieldGate is a global setting, could be tricky to create exception just for Javelin.
Kishock
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 01:39
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A gun that's insanely hard to unlock, extremely heavy, takes forever to reload every shot, and has extremely limited ammo SHOULD be overpowered.Captain Hammer wrote...
Without shieldgate, I think it would be OP. With it, it's UP. Maybe partial shield gate penetration?
Modifié par DJepic112, 20 avril 2012 - 01:40 .
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 01:49
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if you want to 1 shot on gold i suggest you play asari adept or vanguard (full weapon dmg spec) with kishock X and use stasis with vulnerability a charged up headshot 1 shots phantoms on gold.
As for the javelin its fine as it is with my geth infiltrator i need 4 shots to kill an altas on gold 1 shot for engineers so what leaves only centurions nemesis and phantoms that need 2.
As for the javelin its fine as it is with my geth infiltrator i need 4 shots to kill an altas on gold 1 shot for engineers so what leaves only centurions nemesis and phantoms that need 2.
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 02:49
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Shields are meant to stop singular projectiles, that's the point of a kinetic barrier. Kishok is an exception because it fires harpoons. I could see the javelin perhaps having some exception since the projectile is actually ferrous fluid or some such?
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 02:52
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Make Shield gate for Javelin 25% on bronze, 50% on silver and 75% on gold.
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 02:56
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maybe they can give it something similar to armor pen, but with shield pen.
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 03:08
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If it goes through them when their shields are up.... how does it not go through their brains?
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 03:11
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Captain Hammer wrote...
Without shieldgate, I think it would be OP. With it, it's UP. Maybe partial shield gate penetration?
How would it make it OP? You would kill 1 enemy each shot if your aim is good. GPS kills 2-3 enemies in one cloak cycle.
Modifié par KainD, 20 avril 2012 - 03:13 .
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 03:17
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I'm pretty sure that shield gate originated simply as a game mechanic to limit the power of sniping. But I imagine it'd be easy enough to justify it in the lore.Sabbatine wrote...
Eh, an exception already exists in jury-rigged form with shotguns. The javelin shoots a jet of liquid rather than a single projectile, within the lore I think it would make sense if it could ignore the shield gate... assuming the shield gate has some kind of meaning within the lore.
For example, kinetic barrier software may be designed to overcharge the system when the capacitors are nearing depletion, momentarily creating a nearly impermeable barrier right when the soldier needs it the most.
In such a scenario, the stream would simply need to be long enough to still have part of it travelling towards the target after the shields are completely depleted.
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Posté 20 avril 2012 - 03:20
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KainD wrote...
Captain Hammer wrote...
Without shieldgate, I think it would be OP. With it, it's UP. Maybe partial shield gate penetration?
How would it make it OP? You would kill 1 enemy each shot if your aim is good. GPS kills 2-3 enemies in one cloak cycle.
Nope.
I regularly kill 4 Guardians with one shot on Firebase Giant.
