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[ThePowerOfHAT]

Yeah, I don't think it'd be overpowering to make such a change specifically to the Javelin, considering the charge-up time (which, unlike with the Kishock, is required to fire off a shot at all). Lore-wise, it may still make sense when considering that it's not firing a normal projectile like most sniper rifles.

[BooBooZX]

Drummernate wrote...

KainD wrote...

Captain Hammer wrote...

Without shieldgate, I think it would be OP. With it, it's UP. Maybe partial shield gate penetration?

How would it make it OP? You would kill 1 enemy each shot if your aim is good. GPS kills 2-3 enemies in one cloak cycle.

Nope.

I regularly kill 4 Guardians with one shot on Firebase Giant. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

You can do that regardless of difficulty.

Modifié par BooBooZX, 20 avril 2012 - 03:25 .

[Siliboy]

I don't know about this, I mean it already kills majority of your targets with superior range. Although it's not like you try to kill very far targets on a regular basis. BW, Valiant, Claymore X with choke and GPS X are better on gold when taking shield gate into account (which is majority of the time when facing geth and cerbs). Well the Kishock ignoring shield gate is really wierd, like why? It doesn't have wall/object penetration, seeing as how it's a projectile weapon, so maybe it's ok? But still.

But yeah, the only way you'll always feel it's awesomeness is on silver and bronze, which is sort of lame. Also, it doesn't shoot regurlar ME bullets (if that's what it's called), it discharges liquid, which is like a projectile.

[peddroelm]

We already have a high damage sniper weapon that ignores shield gating mechanic - its called Kishok Harpoon ...

Modifié par peddroelmz, 20 avril 2012 - 04:02 .

[quack123]

I don't think it should no shield gate, maybe around 50% at gold?

[Schneidend]

[quote]DJepic112 wrote...

Without shieldgate, I think it would be OP. With it, it's UP. Maybe partial shield gate penetration?[/quote]
A gun that's insanely hard to unlock, extremely heavy, takes forever to reload every shot, and has extremely limited ammo SHOULD be overpowered.

[/quote]

This. Although, in the hands of a Geth Infiltrator it could potentially be ridiculous. One-shotting Phantoms and Centurions through the floor in Dagger or the walls in Glacier? Crazy.

[Sabbatine]

Jitawa wrote...

Shields are meant to stop singular projectiles, that's the point of a kinetic barrier. Kishok is an exception because it fires harpoons. I could see the javelin perhaps having some exception since the projectile is actually ferrous fluid or some such?

I think kishock is more an exception because of the mechanics behind the weapon, not anything intentional in relation to the projectile it fires.  I don't think stopping the harpoon would require more energy than say stopping a shot fired from a widow.  The harpoon has more mass but less speed... but unlike most projectiles it won't shatter when it hits a barrier... though the point is moot when comparing it to a widow which is designed to pierce shields anyways.

Within the lore, it is kind of inferred that shields and barriers are vulnerable to multiple projectiles striking within a short period of time which would make the javelin uniquely suited for shield penetration as it would be hitting the shield thousands of times within a short period of time.

[Trakarg]

Given how rare the javelin is, I think it deserves to ignore shield gate.

[Whereto]

Schneidend wrote...

This. Although, in the hands of a Geth Infiltrator it could potentially be ridiculous. One-shotting Phantoms and Centurions through the floor in Dagger or the walls in Glacier? Crazy.

Though the reload time is so slow, the 3 other phantoms are probably going to be able to gang bang you by the time you have everything ready for the next shot. It should be the kill anything that is normally hard to kill gun, but right now it's not that sort of gun. Sure you can remove a phantoms barrier with one shot, but what good did that do? She will just go and hide by the time you have ur next shot ready. To me it should be the OHK weapon that is a liability unless your team is good and can take out all the base level enemies. 

Modifié par Whereto, 20 avril 2012 - 05:57 .

[D4rk50ul808]

Bad idea to make your favorite gun godly. Shield gating is a good thing and adds use to support classes.

[BooBooZX]

D4rk50ul808 wrote...

Bad idea to make your favorite gun godly. Shield gating is a good thing and adds use to support classes.

Shield gate is also why everybody says the BW/Valiant are the best snipers.:innocent:

Also whoever said give the Jav a 25% bleed through or whatever on bronze.....after somebody said bronze had none.....yes lets make it worse (granted still 500x overkill on bronze)

Modifié par BooBooZX, 20 avril 2012 - 06:09 .

[Siliboy]

D4rk50ul808 wrote...

Bad idea to make your favorite gun godly. Shield gating is a good thing and adds use to support classes.

I'm not trying to make shield gating go away or anything, but single shot sniper rifles (with Kishock as an exception) and wraith (meh) are the only weapons affected by shield gating. So yeah..

EDIT:

Actually, now that I said and thought about it, why put shield gates, when it really only directly affects the guns in my statement above?

Modifié par Siliboy, 20 avril 2012 - 06:25 .

[PsychoXR-20]

While having the Javelin ignore shield gating defeats the entire purpose of the shield gate mechanic (to prevent people from being able to one-shot anything that's not a boss on higher difficulties), I think given the rarity, the low ammo, long reload, extreme weight, but most of all the charge up, it warrants a buff.

Sure, the weapon comes with two built-in weapon mods, but as nice as the scope is, the lack of quick scope (coupled with the extreme tunnel vision it creates) the Widow can do everything the Javelin can, and in most cases better.

An Asari Adept/Human Sentinel can already one-shot multiple enemies at once on Gold, so I don't think allowing one of the rarest snipers to one shot one single enemy at a time is an outrageous request.

[vivanto]

Suggestion: Javelin ignores shield gate mechanic.

You mean, make single-shot snipers not suck? Preposterous!

[Luke Pearce]

I agree! Geth weapons should ignore shield-gating

I think the Geth Plasma Shotgun already does ignore shield gating???? GSMG and GPR doesn't really matter since they are fast-firing weapons.

The Javelin should ignore shield-gating because I like the crazy amount of damage it does but I can only take off their shields??? Not good enough!

[Dillon79]

This sounds great then the only things i wouldnt 1shot is primes atlas and banshees!

Someone give this man a cookie!!!............ oh wait that would be way overpowered nevermind.

Modifié par Dillon79, 20 avril 2012 - 11:43 .

[Dillon79]

PsychoXR-20 wrote...

 I think given the rarity, the low ammo, long reload, extreme weight, but most of all the charge up, it warrants a buff.

Sure, the weapon comes with two built-in weapon mods, but as nice as the scope is, the lack of quick scope (coupled with the extreme tunnel vision it creates) the Widow can do everything the Javelin can, and in most cases better.

wrong. First of all the reload is extremely fast, quicker to reload cancel than the widow! and since it has piercing/scope mod why not get extended clips? That puts a javelin at a decent rank at 14 spare shots (not all that bad) a cloaked shot with a javelin 4 with rail amp 3 will literally 2 shot a prime all by myself on gold. Can a widow do that? nope. Plus i got superman vision and see through walls.

[cruc1al]

I support this idea, but in return it needs to do less damage. At the moment, Javelin I does 20% more damage than Widow I. Make it 10% more but with a shot that consists of a stream of particles so that it can ignore the shield gate

[vivanto]

cruc1al wrote...
I support this idea, but in return it needs to do less damage. At the moment, Javelin I does 20% more damage than Widow I. Make it 10% more but with a shot that consists of a stream of particles so that it can ignore the shield gate

No. Widow <- Gold, Javelin <- N7. We already have tons of weapons that suck as an N7 compared to their Gold alternative.

Modifié par vivanto, 20 avril 2012 - 12:04 .

[cruc1al]

Dillon79 wrote...

wrong. First of all the reload is extremely fast, quicker to reload cancel than the widow!

The reload time is the same on Widow and Javelin - 2.97 seconds.

and since it has piercing/scope mod why not get extended clips? That puts a javelin at a decent rank at 14 spare shots (not all that bad)

With the spare ammo mod, Javelin I gets 9 spare shots. 5 *1.9 = 9.5, rounded down. Very, very few people have Javelin at a higher level than I.

with a cloaked shot with a javelin 4 with rail amp 3 will literally 2 shot a prime all by myself on gold. Can a widow do that? nope.

Even a Javelin X on a fully damage-specced geth infiltrator, with the rail amp 3, cannot one-shot the armor of a Geth Prime. Widow X can just one-shot the shields with the same build.

[cruc1al]

vivanto wrote...

cruc1al wrote...
I support this idea, but in return it needs to do less damage. At the moment, Javelin I does 20% more damage than Widow I. Make it 10% more but with a shot that consists of a stream of particles so that it can ignore the shield gate

No. Widow <- Gold, Javelin <- N7. We already have tons of weapons that suck as an N7 compared to their Gold alternative.

What are you saying? That Javelin that does 10% more damage than widow but negates the shield gate is less powerful than Javelin that does 20% more damage but doesn't negate the shield gate? Really?

[LeandroBraz]

only a percentage could work, but complete ignore the shield gate would unbalance the guns.

[Influ]

Dillon79 wrote...

This sounds great then the only things i wouldnt 1shot is primes atlas and banshees!

Someone give this man a cookie!!!............ oh wait that would be way overpowered nevermind.

So, just like the Kishock then. But with the added benefit of being a weapon usable for others than the host. Yes please.

[vivanto]

cruc1al wrote...
What are you saying? That Javelin that does 10% more damage than widow but negates the shield gate is less powerful than Javelin that does 20% more damage but doesn't negate the shield gate? Really?

Ohh, sorry, yeah. In my dumbness I completely forgot what the thread is about.
If it ignored the shield gate, I'd settle for that damage nerf too. 

[cruc1al]

Influ wrote...

Dillon79 wrote...

This sounds great then the only things i wouldnt 1shot is primes atlas and banshees!

Someone give this man a cookie!!!............ oh wait that would be way overpowered nevermind.

So, just like the Kishock then. But with the added benefit of being a weapon usable for others than the host. Yes please.

Plus, Kishock is Gold, Javelin is N7, so Javelin obviously should be better...