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[hussey 92]

esper wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

esper wrote...
I want to go through the mirror. You can rule Fereldan with Anora, but you can't go through the mirror with Morrigan as a sign of friendship and trust, even if she sees you as a sister. That is not all right.

You also can't get Morrigan pregnant with the god-baby.

Yes, I can. Alistar and Loghain are quite willing to let me persaude them to do it. Never not done the dark ritual.

If it is Alister's or Loghain's god-baby, then you have less reason to follow Morrigan

[esper]

hussey 92 wrote...

esper wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

esper wrote...
I want to go through the mirror. You can rule Fereldan with Anora, but you can't go through the mirror with Morrigan as a sign of friendship and trust, even if she sees you as a sister. That is not all right.

You also can't get Morrigan pregnant with the god-baby.

Yes, I can. Alistar and Loghain are quite willing to let me persaude them to do it. Never not done the dark ritual.

If it is Alister's or Loghain's god-baby, then you have less reason to follow Morrigan

Curiosity, wanting to see the child, trusting Morrigan as your best/friend sister and wanting to help her  against her percieved fight against Flemeth, and not saying good bye to your best friend forever. Not wanting to the Morrigan raise it alone, for several reasons...  Just wanting to get off Thedas. Female still gets the sad look back as she disappears through the mirror.

[Mmw04014]

esper wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

esper wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

esper wrote...
I want to go through the mirror. You can rule Fereldan with Anora, but you can't go through the mirror with Morrigan as a sign of friendship and trust, even if she sees you as a sister. That is not all right.

You also can't get Morrigan pregnant with the god-baby.

Yes, I can. Alistar and Loghain are quite willing to let me persaude them to do it. Never not done the dark ritual.

Granted, but you didn't do it. Morrigan takes the father of her blasphemous child with her, whom she is also ostensibly in love with.

(not that she actually answered any of the questions around that *grumbe* *grumble*)

Actually she is not in love with Alistar, but trust the female warden as a sister. (You are fully capable of making the child without her being in love even as male). The dark choice always exist.
I don't see why she shouldn't let her 'sister'/best friend through the mirror. It is jarring an really brought my attention to how different the hetero/and bi content in da:o was in terms of actual content avaible to the players.

Edit. Hussey 92, this answers you too.

She is reluctant at first to even let a romanced Warden go with her and I think she only relented because she's in love with him too (and is possibly the father of her child). It isn't just a female warden that can't go with her, but if a male didn't romance her, he can't go with her either. Her acceptance relies on the fact that she's in love with him.

Modifié par Mmw04014, 04 avril 2012 - 12:50 .

[Sylvianus]

esper wrote...

Samantha and Cortez was very much token romances. A step in the right direction, but not entirely all right. Escpially since the male got Kaidan, but we women didn't get Ashley.

Morrigan was actively bloking female players from a very significant ending choice, that was not all right.

She is also the most important of the two females (and in my opinion the most interesting,) And I see no logical reason to that I can't explore her personality in that aspcet other than Bioware didn't write it so, which would be much less jarring if it wasn't for the fact that Leliana and Zevran have eeirly similar backgrounds.

If your issue is we need the lead female or lead male available for each gender, then we agree. But that doesn't mean that everyone needs to be the same, regardless of what they are.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 avril 2012 - 12:51 .

[Zzulu2]

Qunari anything, please

[hussey 92]

esper wrote...

hussey 92 wrote...

esper wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

esper wrote...
I want to go through the mirror. You can rule Fereldan with Anora, but you can't go through the mirror with Morrigan as a sign of friendship and trust, even if she sees you as a sister. That is not all right.

You also can't get Morrigan pregnant with the god-baby.

Yes, I can. Alistar and Loghain are quite willing to let me persaude them to do it. Never not done the dark ritual.

If it is Alister's or Loghain's god-baby, then you have less reason to follow Morrigan

Curiosity, wanting to see the child, trusting Morrigan as your best/friend sister and wanting to help her  against her percieved fight against Flemeth, and not saying good bye to your best friend forever. Not wanting to the Morrigan raise it alone, for several reasons...  Just wanting to get off Thedas. Female still gets the sad look back as she disappears through the mirror.

males get the sad look if they didn't romance her.  Theres no reason to bring anyone with her, she's safe in there.  All your doing by going with her is being with her

And I don't think she needs help raising the child, cause its deffinitly not a normal boy

Modifié par hussey 92, 04 avril 2012 - 12:55 .

[esper]

Sylvianus wrote...

esper wrote...

Samantha and Cortez was very much token romances. A step in the right direction, but not entirely all right. Escpially since the male got Kaidan, but we women didn't get Ashley.

Morrigan was actively bloking female players from a very significant ending choice, that was not all right.

She is also the most important of the two females (and in my opinion the most interesting,) And I see no logical reason to that I can't explore her personality in that aspcet other than Bioware didn't write it so, which would be much less jarring if it wasn't for the fact that Leliana and Zevran have eeirly similar backgrounds.

If your issue is we need the lead female or lead male available for each gender, then we agree. But that doesn't mean that everyone needs to be the same, regardless of what they are.

That is a huge part of my issue. My other issue is that with only four romance option as in DA games (both of them, Sebastian doesn't really count). The hetrosexual practically gets two, while the s/s gets one. Which is why as long as bioware only do four for dragon age, (and I don't want the characthers romance paths to be watered down either, so if four that is all that are zots to do) then all bi is the only acceptable solution I see.

I could live with the sex romanceable companions (one of each gender with each sexuality), but the two most plot important have to be the bi.

[esper]

hussey 92 wrote...

esper wrote...

hussey 92 wrote...

esper wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

esper wrote...
I want to go through the mirror. You can rule Fereldan with Anora, but you can't go through the mirror with Morrigan as a sign of friendship and trust, even if she sees you as a sister. That is not all right.

You also can't get Morrigan pregnant with the god-baby.

Yes, I can. Alistar and Loghain are quite willing to let me persaude them to do it. Never not done the dark ritual.

If it is Alister's or Loghain's god-baby, then you have less reason to follow Morrigan

Curiosity, wanting to see the child, trusting Morrigan as your best/friend sister and wanting to help her  against her percieved fight against Flemeth, and not saying good bye to your best friend forever. Not wanting to the Morrigan raise it alone, for several reasons...  Just wanting to get off Thedas. Female still gets the sad look back as she disappears through the mirror.

males get the sad look if they didn't romance her.  Theres no reason to bring anyone with her, she's safe in there.  All your doing by going with her is being with her

And I don't think she needs help raising the child, cause its deffinitly not a normal boy

So what. I da:o. All the other places had equality between female/male, with the males even being able to marry Anora to give them acces to the throne. They could easily have included a number of reason for the female to want to go with, the dialog exist in the three. And it just shine lights on how important morrigan is compared to leliana in da:o. And that she is not aviable. Males have a different route for the Alistar specific plot relevant queen ending. Females does not have a special route for the Morrigan specific.

Edit. To top it all it also makes the dlc feel like wasted money, because  got no explanation, no new conclusion and in fact it almost eroded my awakening conclusion, by having my warden being a different place, still doing warden things.

Modifié par esper, 04 avril 2012 - 01:06 .

[hussey 92]

Sylvianus wrote...

esper wrote...

Samantha and Cortez was very much token romances. A step in the right direction, but not entirely all right. Escpially since the male got Kaidan, but we women didn't get Ashley.

Morrigan was actively bloking female players from a very significant ending choice, that was not all right.

She is also the most important of the two females (and in my opinion the most interesting,) And I see no logical reason to that I can't explore her personality in that aspcet other than Bioware didn't write it so, which would be much less jarring if it wasn't for the fact that Leliana and Zevran have eeirly similar backgrounds.

If your issue is we need the lead female or lead male available for each gender, then we agree. But that doesn't mean that everyone needs to be the same, regardless of what they are.

leliana and zevran didn't have similiar backrounds, he was born in poverty in Antiva and she was a noblewomen in Orlias

And is Morrigan the lead female?

Modifié par hussey 92, 04 avril 2012 - 01:06 .

[Maria Caliban]

hussey 92 wrote...

If it is Alister's or Loghain's god-baby, then you have less reason to follow Morrigan

Because she's my friend and she's going along through a spooky magic mirror to someplace unknown. I don't know what is on the other side of the mirror, but it's probably not puppies-and-candy world.

hussey 92 wrote...

And is Morrigan the lead female?

Yes.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 04 avril 2012 - 01:07 .

[esper]

hussey 92 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

esper wrote...

Samantha and Cortez was very much token romances. A step in the right direction, but not entirely all right. Escpially since the male got Kaidan, but we women didn't get Ashley.

Morrigan was actively bloking female players from a very significant ending choice, that was not all right.

She is also the most important of the two females (and in my opinion the most interesting,) And I see no logical reason to that I can't explore her personality in that aspcet other than Bioware didn't write it so, which would be much less jarring if it wasn't for the fact that Leliana and Zevran have eeirly similar backgrounds.

If your issue is we need the lead female or lead male available for each gender, then we agree. But that doesn't mean that everyone needs to be the same, regardless of what they are.

leliana and zevran didn't have similiar backrounds, he was born in poverty in Antiva and she was a noblewomen in Orlias

They have very, very similar backgrounds. They are both assassin (Bards a spy/assassin) who was trained in the way of seduction and liked it.
They even comment on it, in banter, in game.

[Sylvianus]

esper wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

esper wrote...

Samantha and Cortez was very much token romances. A step in the right direction, but not entirely all right. Escpially since the male got Kaidan, but we women didn't get Ashley.

Morrigan was actively bloking female players from a very significant ending choice, that was not all right.

She is also the most important of the two females (and in my opinion the most interesting,) And I see no logical reason to that I can't explore her personality in that aspcet other than Bioware didn't write it so, which would be much less jarring if it wasn't for the fact that Leliana and Zevran have eeirly similar backgrounds.

If your issue is we need the lead female or lead male available for each gender, then we agree. But that doesn't mean that everyone needs to be the same, regardless of what they are.

That is a huge part of my issue. My other issue is that with only four romance option as in DA games (both of them, Sebastian doesn't really count). The hetrosexual practically gets two, while the s/s gets one. Which is why as long as bioware only do four for dragon age, (and I don't want the characthers romance paths to be watered down either, so if four that is all that are zots to do) then all bi is the only acceptable solution I see.

I could live with the sex romanceable companions (one of each gender with each sexuality), but the two most plot important have to be the bi.

I would prefer only one and well written bisexual female and male LI than everyone gender neutral for the sake of it, regardless of what they are. At least we would get equality and more content lol.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 avril 2012 - 01:19 .

[hussey 92]

Maria Caliban wrote...

hussey 92 wrote...

If it is Alister's or Loghain's god-baby, then you have less reason to follow Morrigan

Because she's my friend and she's going along through a spooky magic mirror to someplace unknown. I don't know what is on the other side of the mirror, but it's probably not puppies-and-candy world.

hussey 92 wrote...

And is Morrigan the lead female?

Yes.

I'm pretty sure Morrigan can handle herself in a place she knows more about then the warden

And after playing DA2 it seems like Leliana might have a bigger role. 

[esper]

Sylvianus wrote...

esper wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

esper wrote...

Samantha and Cortez was very much token romances. A step in the right direction, but not entirely all right. Escpially since the male got Kaidan, but we women didn't get Ashley.

Morrigan was actively bloking female players from a very significant ending choice, that was not all right.

She is also the most important of the two females (and in my opinion the most interesting,) And I see no logical reason to that I can't explore her personality in that aspcet other than Bioware didn't write it so, which would be much less jarring if it wasn't for the fact that Leliana and Zevran have eeirly similar backgrounds.

If your issue is we need the lead female or lead male available for each gender, then we agree. But that doesn't mean that everyone needs to be the same, regardless of what they are.

That is a huge part of my issue. My other issue is that with only four romance option as in DA games (both of them, Sebastian doesn't really count). The hetrosexual practically gets two, while the s/s gets one. Which is why as long as bioware only do four for dragon age, (and I don't want the characthers romance paths to be watered down either, so if four that is all that are zots to do) then all bi is the only acceptable solution I see.

I could live with the sex romanceable companions (one of each gender with each sexuality), but the two most plot important have to be the bi.

I would prefer only one and well written bisexual female and male LI that everyone gender neutral for the sake of it, regardless of what they are. At least we would get equality and more content lol.

Small spoilor alert, you were warned.

Nobody was gender neutral in da2. (I am not enitrely sure of Fenris.)
Anders had a whole different attitude towards male than female (A lot less need to protect the male, which as a female is frustrating. My heart is not that fragile, Anders. Despite what you obviously thinks.)
Merrill sees the female as a goddes she amireded from afar, and in my version she didn't mention dalish/human which she does to the man in the youtube example I've seen of the latter.
Isabella has one line, which isn't much, but considering it is 'This was fun, let's do it again,' It is open to a whole of interpretation of how she sees male and females as with Anders and Merrill.
Fenris, I don't know, havn't youtubed the male version. but I think I've heard something about some flirts, or something which is difference for the male and female.

So as long as they clearly shows that they are aware of my gender like that. I really have no problem.

[esper]

hussey 92 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

hussey 92 wrote...

If it is Alister's or Loghain's god-baby, then you have less reason to follow Morrigan

Because she's my friend and she's going along through a spooky magic mirror to someplace unknown. I don't know what is on the other side of the mirror, but it's probably not puppies-and-candy world.

hussey 92 wrote...

And is Morrigan the lead female?

Yes.

I'm pretty sure Morrigan can handle herself in a place she knows more about then the warden

And after playing DA2 it seems like Leliana might have a bigger role. 

That is irrellevant for the da:o-experience, and doesn't make her lead female in that story.

It might actually destroy the Leliana/warden romance in some people mind because they didn't think about how chantry she would be in the futere, and they are dalish/mage/dwarf and not willing to follow her there - There have been complains about that.

[hussey 92]

Origins has 2 girls and 1 guy for male wardens and 2 guys and one girl for female wardens. seems fair to me. and while Witch Hunt may seem like an extra for male wardens, you could say the same for Exiled Prince with female Hawkes

Modifié par hussey 92, 04 avril 2012 - 01:29 .

[Sylvianus]

@ esper : Merril does not say that in the main game ? I don't think so. or maybe she said that to someone else ?

I tried Merril's romance with both female and male. And she said exactly the same words, she had the same behavior, I've seen exactly the same cinematics. the same development, the same icon with the heart.

Same with isabella. Exactly the same.

Even for aveline, it was exactly the same.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 avril 2012 - 01:38 .

[Lucy Glitter]

So, how in the bloody hells did I miss this thread, exactly?

Someone tell me. Please.

[esper]

Sylvianus wrote...

@ esper : Merril does not say that in the main game ? I don't think so. or maybe she said that to someone else ?

I tried Merril's romance with both female and male. And she said exactly the same words, she had the same behavior, I've seen exactly the same cinematics. the same development

Same with isabella. Exactly the same.

Even for aveline, it was exactly the same.

My experinece had Merrill very specific called my Hawke a goddes she had amired from afar. I remember raising an eyebrow over it.
Isabella does not say that line like that to the man. The Isabella forums discuss it a lot.

[Maria Caliban]

Merrill specifically calls Hawke a goddess the night she comes to confess her love.

Edit: Actually, Hawke says, "I'm not some sort of goddess," and Merrill replies, "Some people worship you from afar." 

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 04 avril 2012 - 02:04 .

[the_one_54321]

esper wrote...
So what. I da:o. All the other places had equality between female/male

I just had a long talk with SylviustheMad about BioWare telling a story rather than providing whatever options the player might want. This is an example of the same thing.

Morrigan only takes the person she's in love with. That's who she is and how she reacts to the situation. "Fairness" to player never enters into it. It's a story choice, and those of us witnessing the story have to live with that.

Frankly, I applaud them for it. (I just wish they hadn't said she would answer questions when she wouldn't)

Lucy_Glitter wrote...
So, how in the bloody hells did I miss this thread, exactly?

Someone tell me. Please.

You were probably asleep?

Modifié par the_one_54321, 04 avril 2012 - 03:17 .

[hussey 92]

the_one_54321 wrote...

esper wrote...
So what. I da:o. All the other places had equality between female/male

I just had a long talk with SylviustheMad about BioWare telling a story rather than providing whatever options the player might want. This is an example of the same thing.

Morrigan only takes the person she's in love with. That's who she is and how she reacts to the situation. "Fairness" to player never enters into it. It's a story choice, and those of us witnessing the story have to live with that.

Frankly, I applaud them for it. (I just wish they hadn't said she would answer questions when she wouldn't)

That is definitly the best explanation I've heard ^

[Dejajeva]

I can just imagine a Qunari romance.

PC: "You are so sexy and strong."
Qunari:*grunt*
PC: "I think I'm in love with you."
Qunari: "No."
PC: "But I really think we would do well together."
Qunari: "No."
PC: "..."

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Companions & Romance Wish List for DA 3?

Just scrap that stupid idea where the companions only talk when they needed you. This stupid limitation prevented me from enjoying romance option in ME 2 and continue to bug me in DA 2. As long as I am restricted to interact freely with my own companions then the companions are nothing more than the old Neverwinter Nights' henchmen who are not worth my time to invest emotionally, ( especially in DA 2,  where you are not the character or the main protagonist but someone who direct a cartoon from behind the scene. So what's the point of having any romance/friendship/rivalry option at all? )

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 04 avril 2012 - 04:43 .

[hussey 92]

Dejajeva wrote...

I can just imagine a Qunari romance.

PC: "You are so sexy and strong."
Qunari:*grunt*
PC: "I think I'm in love with you."
Qunari: "No."
PC: "But I really think we would do well together."
Qunari: "No."
PC: "..."

PC:  "I've got cookies"
Qunari:  "....ok"