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[Sylvanpyxie]

Also, why couldn't Fenris move into Hawke's estate? If one companion can move in, why can't the others?

Personally? I would see such action as out of character for both Fenris and Isabela. Considering how their romances progress, with the break between Act 2 and 3. Also taking into account they're both very self-reliant, independent people who value their freedom.. It just wouldn't have seemed right to me.

I understand people want romances to be on level footing, and will always be upset when once romance seems to get more content than others. But i personally don't think that character traits and personality quirks should be ignored for the sake of more content.

Could Bioware have added in a few personal scenes between Fenris/Isabela and Hawke to make up for the lack of a "move in" conversation/cutscene? Yes, and they should have, but they should not ever have considered moving either Fenris or Isabela into the Estate.

Fenris could say, "I love you." He never outright says it.

I don't think he ever needed to, again this is my personal opinion, but Fenris tells Hawke how much he/she means to him in his own way, all the way through Act3.

I think it should make a difference how a companion interacts with you based on the class you choose.

This i agree with.

The first time i played Dragon Age II i was using the Templar specialization, when i first met Anders i was thinking there would be a huge confrontation over it. It wasn't until about half way through the game that i realised nothing was going to happen. It filled me with a sense of just... Pure woe.

Though i do believe, and don't quote me on this cause i'm not entirely sure, that Bioware said they're supposedly going to address this. Specializations *supposedly* having more impact on interactions.


As for more "companion conflict", or "major drama", i also agree.

In Neverwinter Nights 2, if you play as a woman, a couple of companions keep sniping at each other. Either in cut-scenes or just casually in conversation. The conflict between them was so aggressive and worked so well that i made me like both characters a lot more than i thought i would.

If there's two characters, who are quite clearly complete opposites in personality, then i *do* think those personalities should clash. I also think that if a player enters into a romance with one of them, when the other one is clearly interested, then it should cause an even greater conflict.

When Fenris and Anders were sniping at each other through-out Dragon Age II, it never felt very aggressive. Which surprised me. Anders is set in his ways about Mage Freedom, and will do *anything* to end the imprisonment of Mages. Fenris is the complete opposite, believing that all Mages need to be contained.

I was expecting heavy-duty, action-movie, explosions to go off between those two, but it was just so... Tame. The only part in the entire game, between Fenris and Anders, that actually felt like it was a real, aggressive, conflict was in Act3, during Anders' personal quest, and that only happens if you romance Fenris.

I was bizarre for me, to say the least. If a conflict between characters, and a clash of personalities, is something Bioware intend to do in future. I'd like the conflict to be a little more aggressive, assuming it fits the characters.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 20 avril 2012 - 05:42 .

[BubbleDncr]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

BubbleDncr wrote...

My first playthrough, I met Ander first, so I flirted with him because he was there, and I had liked him in Awakenings, even tho he wasn't the same. I was also a mage, so our goals/lot in life were similar. I could relate to him.

I met Fenris, and in the very first shot of him, I was just like, "OMFG I'm going to romance him."

Now, unfortunately in Act 2, be it cos its a bug, or the just the annoying way Fenris's romance is planned, but I talked to Anders first, and flirted with him. Thus, I was was still able to flirt with Fenris, but didn't realize until much later that I had blown it with him, and would be stuck with Anders.

Whatever, I roleplayed with it. Ended up being quite fun. Felt like Hawke was a girl who had settled with Anders because he needed her, but had always had a thing for Fenris that alas, would never be. If only Fenris had stayed at her house that night. Sigh.

But for the msot part, that was all in my own head. It would have been nice if Anders had confronted me at some point being like, "I noticed you're always staring at Fenris when we're out questing..." or, even better, if I had the option to push Fenris against the wall and kiss him (rather than wait for him to do the same to me), and have him reject me or something.

So yes to more drama! Sure, Fenris and Ander can fight over Hawke in some banter, but have an actual cutscene, where like, Hawke's hanging out at Fenris's house, having some wine and a chat, and Anders bursts in like, "WTF?!?!"

For me, it was tough to gain Anders' friendship and Fenris ended up being maxed out by the end of the first Act. I wasn't going one way or the other (mage vs. templar) - I was just playing casually as a rogue. But I ended up doing Anders' companion quest first, and I playfully flirted with him - out of nowhere he kisses me and says he's going to meet me at my house. I was like, "Uh ok cool." So I went to my estate and there's Anders. I didn't take anything he said seriously (because I wasn't that interested in him) and just picked the joke option a lot. He still ended up in bed with me. Then he said he loved me. I was annoyed by him at that point so I broke up with him - not that we were an item, but he seemed to think so. Then I did the Fenris companion quest and of course we ended up sleeping together. He "bailed" but not really because I kept him in my party the whole time. Everyone around me was like, "So you and that elf huh?" So apparently it was still a thing - he just didn't move into the mansion. In all the wiki pages they say he "ends" the romance but that's not true. He just bails when you two have sex, but the romance achievement is still unlockable. Plus any Hawke-related banter on his part is romantic. That's what annoyed me about Bioware's decision to not have Fenris move in. Even if he didn't move in, they could have put in extra cut scenes of other interactions. Definitely something hilarious like Anders bursting in and flipping out. Or even if Fenris could say, "I love you." He never outright says it. The character does love Hawke and remains loyal to her throughout the game. If you unlock the romance achievement, Varric tells the seeker that "Everyone went their separate ways from Hawke. Well... everyone but Fenris."

There is, however, a point in which (if you're romanced with Fenris) if you go to see Anders in his clinic, he reprimands you for dating Fenris. (I believe this is in Act 3.) If you are partied with Fenris, then Fenris walks over to the two of you, stands right next to you, and kinda (in so many words) tells Anders to STFU. It's brief though and not worth playing 12 to 20 hours just to see it. They need more "candy" along the way. 

I am unsure what they will bring to the table for DA3. I hope the overwhelming demand for awesome love interests is met. (Also, why is every love interest white? Isbala is a weak exception - but seriously... I'm sure there are gamers out there who want to romance a black/asian/hispanic male or female?)

At least Fenris kisses you before the final battle. Anders doesn't.
I always felt like Fenris was the better romance, if you ignore the fact that Anders has an awesome connection to the plot that Fenris lacks. By the end, he just seems sweeter and more attentive to you than Anders - who's a little too busy being a fanatic.

I assume most of the love interests in DA are white because most of the people in Thedas are white?

Modifié par BubbleDncr, 20 avril 2012 - 06:54 .

[FieryDove]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

Also, why couldn't Fenris move into Hawke's estate? That would have made
gameplay more amazing. If one companion can move in, why can't the others? It
was frustrating because I (and so many other players) really wanted that option
and Bioware just said: NOPE. Kind of a ridiculous move on their part. They
could have even fixed it with an expansion or DLC - something. But again -
NOPE. (Bioware: Just give the fangirls what they want. Thank me later when you
take it all to the bank.)

Anders moved in - hell you even got to have sex with him a second time.
Like a real couple. I understand Fenris' character was sad and mopey, but there
could have been a point in which the romance achievement was earned a bit
sooner than, say, the last battle. And because of said achievement, he could
have moved in and the player would have been rewarded with a more cut scenes,
dialogue, or sex. Or all three. (Yes, I know we're lame. But we're willing to
pay to indulge in our freakishly lame endeavors...)

I would imagine limited budget for the cutscenes put a damper on any extra's. After all they couldn't do a shirtless Fenris for his *night* with Hawke due to budget.

If Izzy and Fenris moved in I think it would not be...maybe in character for them? Also I have no idea about Merril but I imagine it was the same as Anders, pretty much a living statue in the house you can't interact with. I really didn't care for that. Would rather have had dao style give em a hug or whatever when I wanted. Ah well.

Modifié par FieryDove, 21 avril 2012 - 07:14 .

[berelinde]

Fenris and Isabela allow the relationship on *their* terms. Moving in to the Hawke estate isn't about being with the person they care about. They don't need their own drawer in the nightstand for that to happen. Moving into the Hawke estate is a submissive act, surrendering part of their own independence, and that isn't something they can accept. Isabela makes up for it by inviting Hawke to sail away with her, sharing her life on her terms.

[Jpherb]

I agree!!

[RonixisJK]

Well, don't you invite him? I'm not to that point on my playthrough romancing Anders yet, but I know you invite Merrill in her romance plot. They are the ones that see the greatest benefit from moving, really (look at the places Anders and Merrill live).

What I'd really like to see, though, is some sort of romantic dialogue changes, no matter where they live. If I go to talk to Merrill in Act 3 in her house, with a romance active, she shouldn't have the same generic dialogue about the holes in her roof.

[Uccio]

Interesting romance would be pc and some older character, like Warden and Wynne. Kind of taboo also in modern society.

[JustifiablyDefenestrated]

Feynriel. Never going to happen, but in my ideal world, he would be both a companion and a LI. I mean, seriously, there is so much going on with that dude.

He's half-elf, which means that both elves and humans ostracize him. But, on top of that, he's a rare "dream-walker"-- meaning that he's part of the elves' elusive history that's both lost and lusted after. But he's part human, so they can't accept him completely. Especially since the Dalish are slightly xenophobic.

So much room for conflict!

Modifié par JustifiablyDefenestrated, 23 avril 2012 - 02:23 .

[JustifiablyDefenestrated]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

Man. No matter how much I tried to save that kid, he always ended up tranquil. What bad luck!

You sent him to the circle, didn't you? Lol. Meredith can barely tolerate normal mages, let alone half-elven, dream-walker, potential blood-mages sympathizers!

[Dejajeva]

I've decided we should have a sex scene kind of like this. Only with better animations and without the PC directing the moves. Just the general feel of it. At least a little bit. More Dragon-Agey, obviously.

Video from Heavy Rain.

NSFW.

Minor boobie sex begins at 1:23. I even like the cuddling at the end. Though why they chose the floor when there was a perfectly nice bed right next to them is beyond me.

Modifié par Dejajeva, 23 avril 2012 - 03:27 .

[brushyourteeth]

I just want a male LI that isn't needy or depressed, please.

Someone a little steadier. If the world is crashing down around me, I'd like to have someone that can make me feel safe.

[Maria Caliban]

I can't speak for the male LIs, but the female LIs in BioWare games are consistently awesome.

[MisanthropePrime]

I hope you're still reading this thread, B-Dubs because I have a huge request of you;


Please give us... or hell, let me be selfish, give me a female Kossith love interest in a future installment. I doubt she'd actually be Qunari, since by default a female Kossith who makes a habit of fighting isn't really a Qunari unless she's also a Ben-Hassrath, and I can't see them operating with a non-Qunari for extended periods of time, so she'd probably have to be a Tal-Vashoth.


Frankly, you can't dangle a beautiful woman of amazonian stature in our face and then snatch her away not once, but twice (first by showing us delicious female Kossith concept art, and then not letting us romance Aveline)! I will not stand for it!

Since female Qunari aren't usually warriors, having a presumably Tal-Vashoth Kossith could give us a hitherto unseen look into Qunari civilian life... if we assume this character performed a civilian role in Qunari society before becoming Tal-Vashoth. DA:O's Sten and DAII's Arishok taught us much about the Qunari military and to a lesser degree their philosophy, but what about the Qunari engineers or teachers? What are their lives like? Or, hell, maybe she can even be a Saarebas, since the third game in the series will presumably feature the mage-templar war, having an outside view on the situation who still has a stake in it might be fun

"But wait, MisanthropePrime, don't Qunari not associated sex with love and pleasure like other societies, and even if they did, wouldn't that be fatal to your character?"

Well, to that, I have a few answers. Assuming the character is Tal-Vashoth, she might have different views on sexuality than a Qunari, or, perhaps the romance arc could be teaching her about "this human concept of love". In a way, we do kind of have precedent for that with Isabela's romance, in that we have to help her associate love with sex- here, we'd have to do the opposite, in a way, and have the Kossith associate sex with love. Alternatively... we could not have sex at all: we have an established precedent here, too, in Sebastian's romance. Or, finally... the sex act COULD actually kill our character. While there's no precedent for that in the Dragon Age series, Mass Effect 2 does have Morinth, the Ardat-Yakshi, AKA "space sex vampire".

If given the option of "death by snoo snoo" or "have your nervous system burned out by a psychic alien", I'm going to go let She-Hulk have her way with me.





Just my two cents. Hope you guys are still reading this.

[Maria Caliban]

Well, women with horns are hawt. I guess a kossith LI would be good.

I'm not sure how a full-fledged romance that ends in the death of the PC would go. Morinth was less a romance and more an Easter egg.

MisanthropePrime wrote...

"But wait, MisanthropePrime, don't Qunari not associated sex with love and pleasure like other societies, and even if they did, wouldn't that be fatal to your character?"

What an odd question to attribute to the writers/developers.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 23 avril 2012 - 09:11 .

[fchopin]

If romances are the same as in DA2 then i don't want them in DA3.

[MisanthropePrime]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Well, women with horns are hawt. I guess a kossith LI would be good.

I'm not sure how a full-fledged romance that ends in the death of the PC would go. Morinth was less a romance and more an Easter egg.

Heavens to murgatroid, it wouldn't kill the players (literally) to exerise some self control. And maybe she wouldn't be a "full" romance, using Sebastian as an example, I don't think he gave the romance cheevo.

What an odd question to attribute to the writers/developers.

Well it's not like they haven't brought that up before, kinda.

[David Gaider]

MisanthropePrime wrote...
Frankly, you can't dangle a beautiful woman of amazonian stature in our face and then snatch her away not once, but twice (first by showing us delicious female Kossith concept art, and then not letting us romance Aveline)! I will not stand for it!

Now that just makes me want to keep doing it.

Just my two cents. Hope you guys are still reading this.

I stopped reading most of this about 15 pages ago, but I don't think I was missed. Everyone seems pretty happy to talk amongst themselves. Some of what I have read is... interesting. Typically, what people want for romances is fairly idiosyncratic.

[berelinde]

David Gaider wrote...
Typically, what people want for romances is fairly idiosyncratic.

Are you saying that you won't include fully-customized romances for specific individuals? The hells you say!

Sure, some people will be unable to find something they like in any game that offers romances, but with the variety offered in both DA:O and DA2, most people seem to have found one or more of the romances entertaining. As far as I'm concerned, keep up the good work!

[Dejajeva]

David Gaider wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...
Frankly, you can't dangle a beautiful woman of amazonian stature in our face and then snatch her away not once, but twice (first by showing us delicious female Kossith concept art, and then not letting us romance Aveline)! I will not stand for it!

Now that just makes me want to keep doing it.

Just my two cents. Hope you guys are still reading this.

I stopped reading most of this about 15 pages ago, but I don't think I was missed. Everyone seems pretty happy to talk amongst themselves. Some of what I have read is... interesting. Typically, what people want for romances is fairly idiosyncratic.

I missed you.
Also, not going to lie, I had to look up the meaning of idiosyncratic. It's too early for big words.

[Sutekh]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

Nah. I sent him to both places in two different games. Dalish or Circle - it triggers Night Terrors no matter what. And at the end of Night Terrors, you have to make him tranquil. 

You don't. There are ways to give Fenryel a happy end in Night Terrors. Here's a link to the wiki if you want to know how

dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Night_Terrors#Possible_Outcomes

[BubbleDncr]

Dejajeva wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...
Frankly, you can't dangle a beautiful woman of amazonian stature in our face and then snatch her away not once, but twice (first by showing us delicious female Kossith concept art, and then not letting us romance Aveline)! I will not stand for it!

Now that just makes me want to keep doing it.

Just my two cents. Hope you guys are still reading this.

I stopped reading most of this about 15 pages ago, but I don't think I was missed. Everyone seems pretty happy to talk amongst themselves. Some of what I have read is... interesting. Typically, what people want for romances is fairly idiosyncratic.

I missed you.
Also, not going to lie, I had to look up the meaning of idiosyncratic. It's too early for big words.

As did I. We all want our romances to be an unusual individual reaction to food or a drug. haha, jk. Yay for multiple definitions.

Yep...what I want for a romance is definately not what some people on this thread want. Alas, if only we all thought alike.

Modifié par BubbleDncr, 23 avril 2012 - 09:04 .