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[Kail Ashton]

This is what happens when you make a flirt option for throw away NPCs (why do you think Tegan is popular too?)

But on the actual subject, this is one of the few areas i trust bioware not to royaly screw up and seeing them bring up the more casual interactions ideas is nice to see, i'm no planning to digitaly marry these things but i do like the option of seeing my character interact with their love interest the way i would in real life (needs more ass slaps though, it's the best form of communication)

[Xewaka]

I don't want Cassandra as a companion.
I want her as the player character.
If they keep down the cinematic, "fixed" protagonist route, might as well do it properly this time.

[Alyka]

What I would want (just some ideas):

Companions/LI's
- Cullen (hardened)
- A human male warrior.Possibly a Grey Warden.
- An elf who is kind of "evil". Male or female.
- A dwarf surfacer/topsider (male or female) who was once a noble (or possibly married into a caste) and got thrown out because of a misunderstanding.They would be the type to make logical decisions until an event (quest) that has them make a difficult decision regarding their moral stance.
- A kossith.Male or female.
- Cassandra or another seeker.
- A black Mabari.
- Shale as a dwarf.
- A character who is half elf/dwarf, or half dwarf/human.Mix it up.
- An Orlesian, Ander (from the Anderfels), or a Chasind.

Interactions between Companions/LI's

- Allow the PC to ask companions about their personal history (eg: where they grew up, family,etc.) along with little bits of information the companion can remark on during quests.
- Allow the companions to ask the PC what their thoughts are on different subjects.
- Have companions divulge their suspicions about another companion to the PC.
- Keep personal quests.
- Allow everyone to interact with Dog.Maybe give him/her their own personal quest.
- Allow the LI to give the PC a gift.
- Allow the LI to flirt with the PC while in the party/during quests and have other companions comment on it.
- Slowly build up the romance between the PC and LI.
- If  the PC refuses advances from a companion, it should not be detrimental towards friendship.Instead of getting 10+ Rivalry points, only 1-5 points should be added (depending on the characters personality).It's understandable that a companion will be hurt if they are turned down, but +30 rivalry points with Anders was a bit too much.
- Allow the PC to compliment their LI and vice versa.
- Alternate scenario between PC and LI:
Let's say the party goes into a tavern or brothel and the PC brings along their LI.If the PC clicks on the LI, the LI could make a comment towards the PC about "renting a room" together.
- Sex scenes should vary from character to character.Personality should play into it.
- LI's/PC should display tenderness and/or dominance.
I liked the romance scene with Fenris in the foyer where Hawke threw him up against the wall.It was passionate.
Anders' scene was sweet and romantic. I would like to see more of both in DA3.

Modifié par Alyka, 24 avril 2012 - 02:08 .

[David Gaider]

LolaLei wrote...
I hope Tallis doesn't come back, it's not that she's a bad character or anything but we've had her in DA2 and she's got her own web series... There's such thing as an overload and for my personally it would feel like she was being forced down our throats.

And I've been left with the impression that, had Tallis been a male character, there'd be far more swooning and talk of how he needs to return as a full romance, etc. etc., from... certain corners of the fanbase.

[the_one_54321]

David Gaider wrote...

LolaLei wrote...
I hope Tallis doesn't come back, it's not that she's a bad character or anything but we've had her in DA2 and she's got her own web series... There's such thing as an overload and for my personally it would feel like she was being forced down our throats.

And I've been left with the impression that, had Tallis been a male character, there'd be far more swooning and talk of how he needs to return as a full romance, etc. etc., from... certain corners of the fanbase.

ROFLMAO

[Sylvanpyxie]

David Gaider wrote...

And I've been left with the impression that, had Tallis been a male character, there'd be far more swooning and talk of how he needs to return as a full romance...

This is funny..
... Funny cause it's true.

I'd be laughing, but honestly it fills me with a sense of woe.

[LolaLei]

David: Well, turn her into Cullen and I'd join that fan base LOL!

[R2s Muse]

Coming a bit late to the discussion, but if DA3 picks up on any of the mage-templar disfunction left over from DA2 and Asunder, I think it would be delightful to have a templar companion who can give us some insight into a rational view of the Order's role. For example, someone like Cullen or Evangeline who can see both sides of the continuing debate. I like the greyness that has been introduced into the discussions, but sometimes feel like the templar side has been more demonized (e.g. the Darth Vaderness of Lambert or Meredith's extremities) despite the many crazy-*ss blood mages we run into. I'd like to see more moderate perspectives. 

Of course, as a Cullen fan, I also throw my hat in for him as a LI. I think we've learned a tantalizingly small amount about him, but his new awareness of the templar issues and "what being a templar is about" as of the end of DA2 would be nice to explore more deeply in a new game. Especially since it's unclear how his notion of the Order would mesh with the new directions the templars have taken in their defection. Is he even a templar anymore?  Moreover, he has so many personal issues (his torture and lingering mage issues, Meredith's betrayal of what the Order stands for, his own betrayal of a superior officer) that there's lots o' fodder for complicated character development as well as romance ups and downs.

[Maria Caliban]

I ought to play Mask of the Assassin some day and find out what all this bru-ha-ha about Tallis is. I find it odd that a character who has appeared in one DLC and a webseries is considered 'shoved down our throat' when both of those are completely optional.

Alternatively, you *had* to interact with Cullen in Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age II.

Now that I think about it, if Tallis in DA III is overload, then by the exact same criteria, Cullen in DA III is overload.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 24 avril 2012 - 05:04 .

[Annie_Dear]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I ought to play Mask of the Assassin some day and find out what all this bru-ha-ha about Tallis is. I find it odd that a character who has appeared in one DLC and a webseries is considered 'shoved down our throat' when both of those are completely optional.

Same here.

I should also find out who Felicia Day is, since 65% of the DA fans on Tumblr seem to hate her...

[berelinde]

David Gaider wrote...

LolaLei wrote...
I hope Tallis doesn't come back, it's not that she's a bad character or anything but we've had her in DA2 and she's got her own web series... There's such thing as an overload and for my personally it would feel like she was being forced down our throats.

And I've been left with the impression that, had Tallis been a male character, there'd be far more swooning and talk of how he needs to return as a full romance, etc. etc., from... certain corners of the fanbase.

Had Tallis been a male character, he would have been laughed off the forums. The nerd rage over the prison break scene - where Tallis effortlessly does what a rogue PC isn't even given the opportunity to attempt - would have been intense.

[Maria Caliban]

How could you hate Felicia Day? Even her name means 'happiness.'

berelinde wrote...

Had Tallis been a male character, he would have been laughed off the forums. The nerd rage over the prison break scene - where Tallis effortlessly does what a rogue PC isn't even given the opportunity to attempt - would have been intense.

I don't think it's a bad thing that an NPC is better than the PC in some areas.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 24 avril 2012 - 05:16 .

[brushyourteeth]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I didn't realize Cullen was so popular ahahha

was that a joke?


Why Cullen just plain makes sense in DAIII:
Due to the breakdown of rank in the Chantry, most Templars and Sisters have no idea what the Divine herself actually thinks of all this - they just know how their immediate superiors feel about it. That's why the Ferelden mages were treated like people (bravo, Gregoir), the Kirkwall mages were treated like dangerous animals (boo, Meredith) and the Kirkwall sisters did practically nothing at all (thanks a lot, Elthina). If Cullen knew how the Divine felt about the issue, I bet he'd side with her - but since he probably doesn't, this is where I'm guessing he stands:

I am a Templar. I have a duty to protect the world from mages and mages from themselves.
I don't know how to do anything else.
I have a duty to the Maker.
I hate the way the Chantry has us treat mages. They effectively encourage us to "do harm without provocation" which is technically against our code.

He's a perfect representation of the breakdown of Chantry control.

And he'll be wanting someone strong to help him see which road he should take.
Which makes him a perfect companion for our DAIII hero.

[berelinde]

I don't hate Felicia Day. I don't even know her. I do know that the character she designed reads like bad fanfic. I would know, considering how much I've written.

[TEWR]

LolaLei wrote...

I hope Tallis doesn't come back, it's not that she's a bad character or anything but we've had her in DA2 and she's got her own web series... There's such thing as an overload and for my personally it would feel like she was being forced down our throats

I thought Tallis was a good-enough character. It's been sometime since I played MotA -- let alone DAII -- but from what I can recall her character was alright.

IIRC, Felicia Day picked the concept of the character out of many options -- meaning an Elven Ben-Hassrath -- and the actual writing was done by the devs.

I'm fairly certain that I'm right. I think there were some dev posts by Gaider himself that said as much, though I also think there was a conflicting article that said Felicia Day did the writing.

My only question, which I posed in the Off Topic thread dealing with fans of the Guild webseries as well, is whether Bioware approached Felicia Day asking her to be a part of the game or if she approached Bioware asking to be a part of the game.

She's a good actress and I find her adorable in a Merrill sort of way. But if she asked Bioware if she could be a part of the game just to be a part of the game, then that undermines her acting talent and seems more like she just wanted to be a part of something she enjoyed rather then her actually being asked.

IMO.

Not so much that asking to do a role makes her less of an actress, but why she was asking to do that role. Was it for a possible job or to be in DA?

Maria Caliban wrote...

I don't think it's a bad thing that an NPC is better than the PC in some areas.

Doesn't mean a Rogue Hawke shouldn't try to unlock the cell, even if he can't actually succeed in freeing himself.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 24 avril 2012 - 05:43 .

[Pappi]

NPC's already in the universe:

- Jowan (and before you all say HE CAN DIE, yes he can--but he can live as well. I think most people sent him back to the cirlce at any rate--and he was going to be a companion. I'd like to see a reluctant and complex bloodmage. Merril was...okay, but she wasn't from the cirlce world--and she never apologised for being into blood magic. I prefer Jowan.


- Connor (wait let me explain) - depending on how many years have passed obviously, but I think he could be an interesting character (if he is alive...heck even if he is dead--make of that what you will). He has an intense backstory and ties to the fade. Sure we have anders and justice but it'd be nice to see a character who has to battle to survive their own mind. With the inclusion of Jowan, a lot of stuff could be done here. And if he is young...so what? We always have grown up party members--sure Mission in KOTOR is supposed to be young but we never really have had a child party member before.

- Tallis...though some people have expressed doubts. I just have a felicia day fangirl crush. x.x There are other reaons why I won't list because she is likely any way.

- Cullen, again various reasons. He has a very complex character and his shyness would go well with female fans. His development in DA2 was interesting and he has a solid backstory all round. I think his inclusion would go down well--and he'd make a good templar character.

- Cassndra - I'd say this is a given, I don't know enough about her but I imagine if you are to play hawke that she'd be a good edition because she isn't a fan.

- Justice, okay we technially had him in DA2...but it was always anders behind the helm. You only really got to talk to him in the fade. So much could be done with his character, and he could easily be the Shale of the group in that he evolves. Though let's not have him poessing anyone or as a corpse this time...something difderent, something new.

- Flemeth, I'm in two minds about this--but if she isn't a BIG BAD or a major party of DA3 (heck she wasn't in two barely) then she would make a fine wynne/morrigan of the party (stripped of her powers naturally) she could be a good source about the anicents and archdemon. Truthfully, I just like hearing her talk. Her search for morrigan will be a cool player quest as well, I'm sure everyone will agree with me here.

@brushyourteeth AHAHA, not to mention Cullen is...untouhed.  I think female (or male) players will have fun convincing him if he is romanceable.

Modifié par Pappi, 24 avril 2012 - 05:34 .

[Maria Caliban]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

She's a good actress and I find her adorable in a Merrill sort of way. But if she asked Bioware if she could be a part of the game, then that detracts from her acting talent and seems more like she just wanted to be a part of something she enjoyed rather then her actually being asked.

Acting is a freelance business. Approaching a possible employer because you're interested in doing work doesn't make you less of an actor, it makes you an actor who can pay their bills.

[LolaLei]

Maria: As I said previously I don't have a problem with the character at all, as for the web series yes it's optional but you just know there would be some kind of uproar about her being a companion for a second time because people would liken it to the Diane Allers/ME3 situation. Again, not saying I have a problem with that either, but I suspect a lot of people would kick off about it.

As for Cullen, I guess he could also be seen as a character being thrust down people's throats, but the same could be said for several other NPC's in the game.

[Pappi]

thrust down people's throats....my mind didn't go to a dark place...hoho!

[Pappi]

Here is a question, any actors in biowares other games you'd like to see lend their voice talents in DA3 as party members...and what would they play? (maybe that should be a whole other thread).

[TEWR]

Maria Caliban wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

She's a good actress and I find her adorable in a Merrill sort of way. But if she asked Bioware if she could be a part of the game, then that detracts from her acting talent and seems more like she just wanted to be a part of something she enjoyed rather then her actually being asked.

Acting is a freelance business. Approaching a possible employer because you're interested in doing work doesn't make you less of an actor, it makes you an actor who can pay their bills.

Forgot to say that it was my opinion on the matter. I had prefaced it like that in the thread I originally posed the question.

What I meant to say -- and admittedly very poorly conveyed -- isn't so much "Can I do a role for you guys" = less of an actor, but "Can I do a role for you guys because I really love DA" = talent is undermined, but not necessarily diminished.

Basically, did she do it for money or for a role in DA?

At any rate, perhaps you're right. I'm not an actor and I'm certainly not Felicia Day, so I can't claim to know how an actor behaves and much less can I claim to know what she was thinking at that time.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 24 avril 2012 - 05:45 .

[David Gaider]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
IIRC, Felicia Day picked the concept of the character out of many options -- meaning an Elven Ben-Hassrath -- and the actual writing was done by the devs.

That's correct. She wrote Tallis for the webseries, but we wrote Tallis for the DLC-- and the concept was one we came up with, among several from which Felicia chose.

While any character is going to have a certain amount of love/hate coming their way, it really is interesting to watch how gender also plays into it. Watching some of the cries of "Mary Sue!" or the view of Tallis by some as if she were some kind of competitor to the female player has been quite interesting... and neither of those things would be the same if Tallis were male, I'm certain.

Which is not to say that someone should like Tallis if they're not inclined to. The extent to which some of these people will go to try and justify their dislike is, however, rather intriguing. Personally, I think Felicia did a fine job... and since it wasn't her decision to break canon (as much as said canon can be broken, considering it's something people decided was canon based on their perception of Sten's dialogues) I'd hardly blame her for it... though I guess since people like to think of celebrities as arrogant/pampered it's more fun to think that's the case. Nothing could be further from the truth in Felicia's case.

[goofyomnivore]

I'd like to see more of Yavana. I wonder who would voice her though. The other two 'swamp witches' have some pretty good star power with Claudia Black voicing Morrigan and Kate Mulgrew voicing Flemeth.