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[BWGungan]

He was from the Jamaican part of Prothean space.

[bboynexus]

The 'African' accent is actually very clever, given Prothean intervention on Cro-Magnon humans who originated in...

AFRICA.

[Aiyie]

AresXX7 wrote...

Arokel wrote...

The Inusannon (spelling?) were the predecessors of the Protheans. It was their statues on Ilos. The Prothean facility there was built atop their ruins.

Not a great retconn but I am okay with it for some reason.

The one thing that throws me for a loop, in regards to this change, is Shepard's visions.

In ME1 - we get this:


Yet, in ME2, it changes to this:



Unless I missed something, along the way, has there been any explanation for the change(s)?

two different beacons.  the one in ME2 had a slightly different warning recorded, one which more clearly the showed the origins of the collectors.

[DLClol]

I liked the squid statues better honestly, some guy drew a picture of one of the statue squid guys with armor and a gun and it looked pretty legit.

Not all Protheans had Jamaican accents, there were others around him on that flashback that sounded more like vigil. Javik was just special I guess

Dont understand why people freak out when someone says he sounds Jamaican when its really African.....Like really? Both of those accents sound similar. Jamaicans are on TV and the radio all the time, how many ugandans or Kenyans do you see in the media?

Modifié par DLClol, 02 avril 2012 - 01:35 .

[Sal86]

It's funny that you should mention The Roman Empire in your post, that's exactly what the Protheans reminded me of. Brutality doesn't preclude cultural and scientific advancement. As far as the accents are concerned, well, the empire spanned the entire galaxy. If people within the little island that is the UK have different accents I can easily buy that Protheans could.

Personally I prefer Javik as he is to the look of the statues. I think it would be hard to make a good looking character that had those very long fingers and a tentacle beard. BW quite possibly hadn't intended to make a living Prothean when they designed the statues, though I do think the statues are pretty cool in statue form.

[ryuasiu]

Avissel wrote...

Arokel wrote...

The Inusannon (spelling?) were the predecessors of the Protheans. It was their statues on Ilos. The Prothean facility there was built atop their ruins.

Not a great retconn but I am okay with it for some reason.

It's not really a big deal honestly. The statues weren't even that interesting looking.

As for the whole "brutal empire" thing, thats just silly. Some of the MOST brutal Empires in human history had great scientests. Javik explains it really well, the Protheans were all about "survival of the fittest" They were in charge because nobody could beat them, he even says that if somebody HAD then they would have been in charge.

From what Javik says it seemed to me that they may have became brutal becuase they knew the reapers were coming and thought that was the only way to win.

[Gill Kaiser]

Retcon or no, it makes perfect sense that the Protheans wouldn't turn out to be like they were thought to be. 50,000 years is a long time.

Also, Javik's accent is Ugandan or Kenyan or similar. East African. Not remotely Jamaican.

Modifié par Gill Kaiser, 02 avril 2012 - 01:29 .

[ahandsomeshark]

Zuka999 wrote...
And why were we led to believe they were some sort of highly advanced species with great scientists if they're going to turn around and show that they were a brutal empire that subjugated everyone around them and was beaten by its own lack of diversity? When was the last time a brutal empire supported endeavors into science? I mean, we're talking about the species that almost broke the cycle.

why would these things be mutually exclusive.

Also yeah the change of the prothean look is pretty extreme, but they were also hella creepy looking in ME1 so I'm okay with it.

[wizardryforever]

Zuka999 wrote...

Javik basically contradicts everything we already knew about the Protheans. I get that they weren't a known quantity, really, but.. why do they have Jamaican accents or whatever? We had already talked to Prothean VIs and heard them speaking in Mass Effect 1. They sound more like they have transatlantic accents with a dash of regality.

I was under the impression that the accent was African.  Besides, given our sample size of Protheans or Prothean VIs, we don't know that they all sounded like that.  Regional (or in this case planetary) differences can mean a lot with regards to accents and dialects.

And why were we led to believe they were some sort of highly advanced species with great scientists if they're going to turn around and show that they were a brutal empire that subjugated everyone around them and was beaten by its own lack of diversity? When was the last time a brutal empire supported endeavors into science? I mean, we're talking about the species that almost broke the cycle.

How about the Third Reich?  You don't really have to be a very "enlightened" society in order to make scientific advances.  This "retcon" was explained as being a combination of Liara coloring the Prothean with her own fanciful imaginings, lack of any real data concerning their society, and Javik being a soldier first and foremost.  He knew very little about what the scientists were doing, perhaps they were a bit less, rigidly fatalistic.

And then there are the statues on Ilos. Why did they look the way they did? They had the tentacled beards and stuff, they looked cool. Like they had immolated themselves en masse and been left like the Romans at Pompeii. Instead, they're.. whatever Javik is. He doesn't stand out at all. Why did the Protheans have all of these statues everywhere if they weren't even related to them in the slightest?

I feel like the writers quietly retconned half of what made ME1 so compelling to begin with..

Yeah, like that guy above me said, this one is explained as the statues being part of the civilization before the Protheans.  Presumably the Protheans found the statues pleasing and/or a good disguise for their secret research base..  Sure this one is a retcon, but I don't think this one is too bad, as far as retcons go.  There never really was a whole lot of mention of the statues, so it's not like they served a plot purpose or anything.

[ahandsomeshark]

AND HE DID NOT HAVE A JAMAICAN ACCENT. EVERYTIME SOMEONE SAYS THAT I MURDER A KITTEN. LEARN YOUR ACCENTS PEOPLE PLEASE.

[Arken]

joe4201 wrote...

Why is it so hard to believe that a race spanning the entire galaxy might have different sounding accents?

The fact that any aliens have accents, when their speech should immediately be translated through the translators, requires suspension of disbelief.

Quarians have a range of different accents.

Tali has a Eastern European/Arabic accent going, but several admirals had English, as in the country, accents.

I don't mind that Javik has an accent.

[TeaKae421]

Zuka999 wrote...

Grasich wrote...

Just because they had a brutal empire didn't mean they didn't have advanced tech and "sophistication". The Roman Empire is a perfect real-world example of what they were. From the outside, they seem "civilized" and "advanced", but they weren't exactly nice to non-Romans.

The Romans also ignored every advance to come out of the Library of Alexandria. Then they burned it down. Then they spent 500 years decaying and relying on slave labor. And then they stopped existing, having never moved beyond classical technology. I think my point stands. Overbearing governments never advance technology beyond flukes, and they're infinitely more likely to supress scientific advancement because it threatens the status quo.

The Romans existed, the Protheans didn't....sorry, but this is science fantasy, the Protheans can be whatever the writers want them to be, within the loose framework that is a totally fictional universe. If you think it's more realistic that the Protheans spread across the galaxy entirely peacefully, without imposing their will upon another soul, you're free to think that, but it's hardly realistic.

[Cazlee]

The quanari underwent a redesign in DA2 too. The changes help to differentiate the species from humans b/c they both looked very human in the previous games. Imo the change was for the better.

[Xellith]

In regards to Javiks accent - this can be very easily explained. Accents.

Prothean civilisation was shattered. Effectively parts of the galaxy were acting independantly of other parts due to no communication. Its not unreasonable to asume that even without the long distances of space that seperation and distance would give rise to numerous accents.

[Nathan Redgrave]

AresXX7 wrote...

Unless I missed something, along the way, has there been any explanation for the change(s)?

No, it was just a blatant retcon. In ME2, BioWare designed the Collectors and decided they were originally Protheans, so they re-imagined their vision of the Prothean species to make for a more believable transition between the two. The result is Javik, who resembles the Collectors but has a more regal, anthromorphic design that highlights how far the Collectors had "degraded" from their original forms.

Interestingly, the Prothean codex entry in ME3 still has one of those tentacle-bearded things in the picture above it.

[bboynexus]

Seriously, how do most of you not get why he has an African accent to begin with?

[Lord Of Crows]

This was one of the coolest twists in the game. The protheans were basically seen as an ideal. What the other races wanted to be, to achieve. Then we find out they weren't superbeings and were relatiable.

[Helmschmied]

I have to admit, I really regret buying the DLC. I think it would have been better if the Protheans had been kept a mystery. Nothing that has been revealed seems particularly bad (except for the fact that I think Javik should have looked like the statues on Ilos), but still...

Let me put it this way: I think they shouldn't have stated things so clearly. They should have only hinted at how the Protheans really were like, so we could come to our own conclusions. Actually, the more I think about it, Javik was probably one of the funniest characters, but they should have kept him out of the game.

Modifié par Helmschmied, 02 avril 2012 - 01:33 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

Lord Of Crows wrote...

This was one of the coolest twists in the game. The protheans were basically seen as an ideal. What the other races wanted to be, to achieve. Then we find out they weren't superbeings and were relatiable.

Liara's reactions to the revelations she gets from Javik underline the difference between colored perception and reality quite nicely, I think.

[bboynexus]

Javik's appearance is much more interesting than the statues on Ilos, and far more appropriate. Given Protheans intervened in the development of major spacefaring cultures, their appearance had to reflect similarities with the primitives they experimented on. Their head structure is similar to the Asari, their four eyes are reminsicent of the Batarians, their war-like nature is reflected through the Turians.

[TarielMaeda]

People have accents too and we're all from the same species.

[Zuka999]

TeaKae421 wrote...

Zuka999 wrote...

Grasich wrote...

Just because they had a brutal empire didn't mean they didn't have advanced tech and "sophistication". The Roman Empire is a perfect real-world example of what they were. From the outside, they seem "civilized" and "advanced", but they weren't exactly nice to non-Romans.

The Romans also ignored every advance to come out of the Library of Alexandria. Then they burned it down. Then they spent 500 years decaying and relying on slave labor. And then they stopped existing, having never moved beyond classical technology. I think my point stands. Overbearing governments never advance technology beyond flukes, and they're infinitely more likely to supress scientific advancement because it threatens the status quo.

The Romans existed, the Protheans didn't....sorry, but this is science fantasy, the Protheans can be whatever the writers want them to be, within the loose framework that is a totally fictional universe. If you think it's more realistic that the Protheans spread across the galaxy entirely peacefully, without imposing their will upon another soul, you're free to think that, but it's hardly realistic.

This isn't what I'm suggesting. We are basically going to take at face value that a system that has never once worked in the only species we actually in reality have to compare it to - humanity - somehow produced the scientists that broke a cycle that is billions of years old? I'm sorry, but from what I gathered the Protheans had such contradictary issues in fighting the Reapers. The writers seemed to originally intend for them to be the Ilos statues. They seemed to originally intend for them to be a hyper-advanced species that united the galaxy and then still had its asses handed to them, but had such great minds that they came up with a solution to end the cycle forever.

Then in Mass Effect 3 we find out that they were brutal and had no qualms with just straight up killing their subjects? That they were stagnant and lacked any means of countering the Reapers because they couldn't change tactics and were stuck in their ways and all that?

I'm sorry, I don't see it. Maybe with more information, but if they weren't going to clarify the retcons outright to us they shouldn't have given us a Prothean squad mate at all. They may as well have just left them mysterious.

[Nobrandminda]

You missed the point.  Except for the Ilos Statues thing, they didn't change anything.  In any case, they handwaved the appearance change when Javik said that they were many races in the Prothean Empire, and they all called themselves "Prothean."

The whole point was for Javik to mess with your preconceptions about what you thought protheans would be like, and you fell for it hard.

You basically are Liara.

Modifié par Nobrandminda, 02 avril 2012 - 01:37 .

[ryuasiu]

Also as far as the statues are concerned I never thought they were the protheans. The first thing I thought was if it was possibly the gods they might have worshiped.

[Gill Kaiser]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Interestingly, the Prothean codex entry in ME3 still has one of those tentacle-bearded things in the picture above it.

The codex is written in-universe. Therefore it is not infallible. For example, in ME2 it classified Sovereign as a geth ship.