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[AllThatJazz]

Yeah, I did. I mean, I haven't read the comics or anything so I didn't know much about Kai Leng - but the whole Thessia level was a REALLY bad day at the office. The defeat to Kai did a good job of reinforcing Shep's failure here, and I did honestly feel bad with her. It also made the lovely pep-talk from Garrus afterwards all the cuter :3

[Thrazesul]

I felt robbed of the chance of killing of Thane's killer, especielly when Kail leng was so cheap and cowardly about it.

Did I feel defeated like Shepard showed? No, just angry. At that moment I felt very angry with the Asari too for screwing things up.

Now I'm more facepalming about the whole thing

[Tsemaru]

Jarys wrote...

I felt pissed off more than anything. Here
this guy is gloating about how awesome he is, when he beats you with a damn heavy gunship sitting behind him, and the final 'defeat' is said gunship destroying the entire building around you. I had this urge to scream at him the whole time 'any time you actually want to fight let me know, as it is that heavy gunship is giving me quite a bit more trouble than lil ol' you.'

lol I think that was the point.

Modifié par Tsemaru, 02 avril 2012 - 08:28 .

[Vipus_Locasta]

guacamayus wrote...

I felt it, shepard always wins no matter the odds, this time he lost thessia and the VI

Thessia was already lost. The mission was simply to collect the VI. If only the Asari stopped wasting their time dancing half naked in nightclubs and went back to their homeworld to get some basic training back when Earth was first attacked they would probably be able to hold it longer. I mean, the council even claimed that they would not help you with the crucible because they needed time to prepare their own defenses against the Reapers, but in the end they couldn't even hold Thessia for more then an hour?

I kind of like Liara and Samara, but those goddamn Asari deserved that...

[RinuCZ]

In my case, Thessia wasn't about feeling defeated by Kei. ME1 was full of "yay, we kind of arrived late" moments, so it wasn't a big surprise.

It was about witnessing a fall of great empire which was bitter. The angry/disheartened chat between Joker and Shepard followed by Liara's fight with Javik and other cut scenes <- that was what moved me. At that moment I finally felt fully how everyone was really frustrated by everything what had happened.

I am not a fan of Kai's plot, though (very cliche).

Modifié par RinuCZ, 02 avril 2012 - 09:12 .

[Beerfish]

Other than the endings by far the worst part of the game. Pulling the old, you will fight but you can't win no matter how well you play but you can die gambit was a terrible decision. They should have just skipped the battle and used a cutscene as they usually do. On top of that to have Shepard meekly tell Hackett or anderson 'we failed' with a hang dog face bugged the hell out of me.

[DashRunner92]

No, it was an incredibly easy fight. What made me feel defeat was that he was able to delay me enough from getting that VI.

[Eain]

What I don't get is why they did the inevitable defeat scenario so well in Arrival at the Object Rho fight, and then messed it up so badly with Kai Leng.

Who wants to fight a villain with plot armour? I mean, really?

[frozngecko]

Si-Shen wrote...

I felt sad because it was hit pretty hard however I did feel that Shep's reaction was a bit much. It was more like he was throwing a tantrum to me, felt out of character.

I disagree, I thought his reaction was perfect. I mean, with the end of the world on your shoulders, any person would buckle, no matter how optimistic they are.

[thehomeworld]

I felt depressed that I just screwed over an entire race but I wasn't one bit upset or depressed at losing to Lang he was a cheap boss that only stayed in one spot the entire time due to Liara singularity and my high velocity problem solvers at work.

I was pissed off that the beacon didn't work like Eden Prime or Virmire as it should've. I hated the fact the beacon was a catch all plot beacon that gave disks and holograms specifically so our badguy could take it.

I was thinking the scene would play out as Shep unlocks the beacon, uses it, it places the info into his mind like all column Eden Prime beacons do, Lang comes in knocks out shep's friends uses the gunship to injure shep then kidnaps him and we as the players then assume the role of Garrus leading the rescue party to save shep from Lang before he can use a matriarch to pry the info out of his head. But no Lang just proves he's a sore loser who uses plot beacons.

So on a scale of me being upset on things it went:

1. The beacon wasn't working right according to lore
2. Thessia being eaten by reapers
3. Me having to apologize deeply to Asari command
100. Lang stealing the crappy hologram and being cheap.

[thehomeworld]

frozngecko wrote...

Si-Shen wrote...

I felt sad because it was hit pretty hard however I did feel that Shep's reaction was a bit much. It was more like he was throwing a tantrum to me, felt out of character.

I disagree, I thought his reaction was perfect. I mean, with the end of the world on your shoulders, any person would buckle, no matter how optimistic they are.

Love that scene and the look on his face shep got his ass kicked and it showed. Also love the VA work for both sheps.

[LinksOcarina]

It also shows pathos for Shepard. Regardless of how one would react to that situation, even if they were uncaring in the end, Shepard still failed, so it can become a personal thing then, which I thought was very appropriate.

[meteng]

Not at all, I was nailing him when he cheated.

[Hudathan]

I thought he got me pretty good. His job was not to fight or kill Shepard, but to simply do the one thing that would completely destroy his/her plan while furthering TIM's agenda.

[Arturia Pendragon]

Yes, Shepard's defeat was a blow to me as the player too. The informing Tevos (the Asari councilor) scene was also painful, as was Shepard's general attitude for the time afterward. Joker finally snapping Shepard out of her state was also powerful.

But most of all, I was hurt by Shepard's complete and utter failure to comfort Liara. The return of Brick Shepard in this regard was the most jarring thing of all.

Modifié par Arturia Pendragon, 02 avril 2012 - 10:34 .

[Iwillbeback]

Thessia is probably the one planet I wanted to save next to helping the Quarians take back their homeworld.

[Goober2049]

 I didn't feel defeat, I felt annoyed.

He brags about how awesome he is, but the only reason he won is because he brought a gunship.

If it were him and a few phantoms against myself, Liara and Garrus it would have ended exactly like it did at the Cerberus base.

And it's not even so much that he brough a gunship, as much as the gunship had an incredibly bright flood light attached to it that made it impossible to see. I'd bet I could have taken him with the gunship if it hadn't been for that.

[LinksOcarina]

Goober2049 wrote...

 I didn't feel defeat, I felt annoyed.

He brags about how awesome he is, but the only reason he won is because he brought a gunship.

If it were him and a few phantoms against myself, Liara and Garrus it would have ended exactly like it did at the Cerberus base.

And it's not even so much that he brough a gunship, as much as the gunship had an incredibly bright flood light attached to it that made it impossible to see. I'd bet I could have taken him with the gunship if it hadn't been for that.

To be fair, it took five people to stop him from killing one counselor, and he was on his own then.

[TarielMaeda]

Defeat? What defeat. He brought in a gunship and ran like a *****.

[DarkShadow]

Esoretal wrote...

I felt it. I was really pissed off that Kai Leng had gotten away, and talking to the Asari Councilor afterward about how I'd failed to save her home planet just felt awful. 

Same here. Although I think Shepards reaction was a little bit over the top. I understand if some people felt the scene as being forced, because it was. All the time, Shepard's reaction was never really shown, it was up to the player. In some scenes of ME3, Shepard has a clear reaction, which may or may not be ours.

Shows the influence of some of the new writers (and NOT in a positive way).

[Kilshrek]

It was a cheap way to progress the story, I felt. Especially with the gunship. We had two gunships supporting us earlier but they got shot down quick like, this Cerberus one hangs about with not an enemy in sight.

*shrugs*

Still, my focus is the end of the story, not the unfolding of it, just yet.

[SilverBecker]

Shepard didn't lose to Kai Leng. If he hadn't had air support he would have died on Thessia instead of TIM's station (where there wasn't a lovely convenient gunship to cover his ****)

[Inxentas]

Kai Leng won due to a dirty trick. Dirty cutscene victories are intended to make you resent a character, and for Leng it worked well enough. I wasn't sad about that, I felt more like "I-will-probably-get-the-chance-to-gut-this-cheater" -ish. The sad part was losing the Catalyst, which (against the backdrop of ruined Thessia) made the Reapers the ultimate winners of that fight. It's touched upon when you get hopeless distress calls and another Reaper comes in, and you can't help anyone. Thought it was done pretty nicely. Was more weirded out by a KILOMETERS DEEP HOLE SUPPORTING AN ENTIRE CHURCH. Seriously, did that Prothean Beacon needed lots of breathing room or something?

Also, I didn't mind Shep acting out this defeat. I generally have no problems to accept Shep can lose his/her cool with the fate of the galaxy in the balance.

Modifié par Inxentas, 02 avril 2012 - 10:48 .

[bpzrn]

Si-Shen wrote...

I felt sad because it was hit pretty hard however I did feel that Shep's reaction was a bit much. It was more like he was throwing a tantrum to me, felt out of character.

Yea, more like this

[Wulfram]

I felt crappy about Thessia and losing the Prothean VI. The emotions fit, though I'd have preferred to have the option to pick myself.

The way the actual fight was resolved was pretty cheap.