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[EugeneBi]

robarcool wrote...

I didn't. Not one bit. I suppose the purpose of that contrived cut-scene was to make you feel that you (as Shepard) aren't invincible. But what I felt was that Kai Leng, nearly dying at my hands on Thessia (Yep, only 2-3 health bars were left before the cut scene) pulled off a 'Oh my, this guy is gonna kill me, time to bring in the gunship' and then stupidly bragged about it. Funnily enough, the crew tries to console Shepard not to take it too hard, but I the player, never felt it. Did you not feel it too or you think it was orchestrated well?

I was annoyed by this character. After he escaped from Citadel it was obvious that this thing won't die until very end and it broke the immersion. I.e. when he showed up on Thessia it was clear that fighting is useless, it does not make any sense because the outcome is predictably scripted.

[EugeneBi]

It would be much better if Kai Leng was like Ser Catherine (or what was her name?) in DAO: almost impossible to win and game continuse if you don't, but still there is a chance.

[EugeneBi]

double post

Modifié par EugeneBi, 19 avril 2012 - 04:27 .

[DolphinMasterBubs]

I felt the defeat at Thessia, for sure. Kai Leng ran like the coward that he was just when I was gaining the upperhand, and yeah, that was frustrating to see him act the way he did. Fortunately, that problem was rectified at Kronos Station (the one time I felt happy about using the Renegade option after the final battle against Kai Leng), so all was good at that point again.

[pacientK]

Esoretal wrote...

I felt it. I was really pissed off that Kai Leng had gotten away, and talking to the Asari Councilor afterward about how I'd failed to save her home planet just felt awful. 

[Phillips94]

I found it stupid, we are in the middle of a reaper invasion, the whole planet is under attack and then some ninja shows up with a gun ship and a sheild despite the fact that we had to fight our way here and also sacrafice Asari in the process?

[Bekkachan]

Nah, I felt annoyed that I didn't get to kill him then and there, and he pulled some cheat moves with the gunship. I honestly felt more defeated at the beginning of the game when Earth started to fall to the reapers.

[Vigil_N7]

Yeah I did. I was really, really pissed off in actual fact.

Then I read the smug little email from the **** K.L, and headed straight for the armory, upgraded all my weapons, decked myself in new armor dyed black and red, and kicked that smug little jackass all the way back to hell.

[Sleepytime]

I could go along with the whole being devastated by losing thessia, though I would have preferred to be given the option to accept my squad's words of goodwill instead of saying (response to vega IIRC) "if you're trying to make me feel better, its not working", which is, imo, a self centred renegade shepard thing to say. But when Kai Leng sends his little email, he comes across as completely immature. The 'haha I beat you!' tone of it destroyed his credibility as a villian for me, especially given the nature of his victory. This was reflected in the way I responded to his final death. Where shepard says "you son of a ****", my reaction was much less passionate. Regardless of his combat ability, he wasnt a menacing character. He was an idiot. And he died an idiot's death. Quick and quickly forgotten.

Modifié par Sleepytime, 19 avril 2012 - 04:40 .

[ArchDuck]

Tsemaru wrote...

Taken from the IGN Mass Effect board...

"The "Kai Leng kills either VS or Liara" was the original plan for the Thessia fight. In this early version, Kai Leng had already staked out the temple before Shepard arrived and was waiting for him to show up so that the Prothean VI would show itself to him. When you fight Kai Leng and start beating him, he didn't call in a gunship like what happened in the final draft; instead he pulls out a remote detonator and blows up a massive bomb he'd already planted in the temple. Shepard gets impaled by a piece of steel and the two squadmates, Liara and VS, are severely injured by the blast. Kai Leng grabs the VI and runs off.

Shepard then only has enough strength to pull out the metal beam and to crawl to one of the squadmates. If you do nothing, you die because the floor collapses under you (this part made it into the final product, when Shepard has to climb up the collapsed floor). By the time you make it to your chosen squadmate, Cortez shows up to evac you. You escape just as a Reaper arrives and blows the temple to smithereens, and with it, the squadmate you abandoned."

That would have been x100 better than what we got.

[eddieoctane]

Kai Leng was terribly contrived. Every fight with him was pointless. I felt so annoyed with the character's presence, that I didn't even care about Thessia.

[D.Sharrah]

Defeat....Defeat?! He didn't defeat me, he hid behind a Gunship (that somehow became indestructible). One of the few times in the game I missed having heavy weapons - would have loved to see him try to walk away from the Cain saying hello!

[BigEvil]

zovoes wrote...

BigEvil wrote...
 Kai Leng is like the Team Rocket of Mass Effect.

sig!

Someone sigged me, I feel so proud.

[Talogrungi]

Not at all; I was utterly annoyed at the forced nature of the "defeat". As a power-focused Engineer, I utterly demolished him when we fought. I don't think he did ANY damage to me whatsoever.

[TheMarshal]

They definitely succeeded in making me angry at Kai Leng. Cheap tricks do not a warrior make. The taunting email after Thessia set me off, for sure. I didn't feel like I had been defeated, though. Just that I had failed.

[Pandaman102]

It's strange, it was also impossible to defeat Saren on Virmire in ME1, but that scene worked because you weren't forced to lose - your fight was merely interrupted by a nuclear bomb. Saren lost his facility, you lose a squadmate, it was basically a draw and you were ready to settle the score the next time.

But Kai-Leng? You can't even try to fight him when he shows up on the Citadel (for those who played Lair of the Shadowbroker, remember that bit with the hostage and your options to resolve that?), he wrecks your ride in a cutscene (why does Shepard try to shoot him instead of flipping the car upside down?), and saunters into an elevator while Shepard uselessly menaces him instead of shooting him right away like last time. Then the next time you see him is Thessia, where you're scripted to not only lose, but lose in the most ridiculous manner possible.

When a villain gets plot armor that obvious it breaks immersion and makes a player feel the wrong kind of contempt for the villain.

[DOsquareZER]

kai lang felt like he was being forced on me, pushed to be a villian but all in all felt like he was trying too hard and just came off as being a pathetic joke - the conrad of villians. I read the books, this game didn't do him justice in any way. Just some immature brat ninja, and his script...so..damned...corny, and the fact he always needed help to get out of a situation with shepard...yea .... a joke.
So no the defeat on Thessia - didnt make much sense to me.
So no...i didn't really feel the defeat on Thessia (not because of KL anyways). I felt another twinge of annoyance towards how this story was being hastily told and anger towards the heavy reliance of patchjob cutscenes to make up for its short comings. I did clench my fist a bit watching the reapers land in the end though..that asari's scream made me cringe a b.it, the music was the big thing that helped me salvage any emotion of worth from that mission - rubbing the forced nonsensical failure in my face..

Modifié par doozer12, 19 avril 2012 - 05:17 .

[Cadeym]

I was only annoyed that he had to cheat through a cutscene to beat me. I have never felt this strongly about something like this in any other game or at any other moment in the ME trilogy. I felt as if I was cheated out of a victory since he never even managed to bring down my shield (which was on normal difficulty).

I know moments like these have happenend so many times during the ME trilogy... but this time it wasn't because of a moral dilemma that I couldn't win... it was because he used conematic hax!

Modifié par Mouseraider, 19 avril 2012 - 05:16 .

[xxskyshadowxx]

I felt the loss of Thessia....but Kai Leng's move was nothing more than a cheap trick. Little did I know it was merely a precursor to the cheap trick the Reapers were going to pull on Shepard at the end of the game.

[Ibn_Shisha]

My post regarding this from another Kai Leng thread:

Ibn_Shisha wrote...

Going back to the Thessia fight, I had
to laugh when my renegade femshep snipiltrator got the email where he
talks about you surviving their encounter...

Black Widow headshot
KL: "Cover me, I need to recharge!"
Black Widow headshot
KL: "Cover me, I need to recharge!"
Black Widow headshot
KL: "Take out the supports!"

Dude, I should be sending you that email.

[Hobbes83]

I felt an incredible frustation, because I was kicking his ass, and then they made me lose in a cinematic.

[Naugi]

Hexley UK wrote...

"That's for Thane you SoB"

Awesome.

Agree. Was one of my favourite moments in the game and about the only time I really felt like I won something.

[ArchDuck]

Naugi wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

"That's for Thane you SoB"

Awesome.

Agree. Was one of my favourite moments in the game and about the only time I really felt like I won something.

I was relieved because I thought they weren't going to allow their Mary-Sue to ever die.

[Cadeym]

Naugi wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

"That's for Thane you SoB"

Awesome.

Agree. Was one of my favourite moments in the game and about the only time I really felt like I won something.

Hmm. I personally didn't care about him (then again I didn't care about Thane either, just couldn't stand listening to his flashbacks.. the way he talked was so annoying). I did however feel good about shooting Udina through a renegade option (my first ever). I actually decided to reload since it was the first time I had reacted on my instinct alone (and I shoot him every single time now). So now my shepard is 99.8% paragon instead of 100% (the 15 renegade points for killing the Thresher Maw in ME2 doesn't count in my book).

Modifié par Mouseraider, 19 avril 2012 - 05:41 .

[Luigitornado]

He took the info I needed. That's all that mattered at the point.