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[Dendio1]

I felt the defeat, but it felt like leng cheated. My shep was feeling down, while I wanted to go back in and get revenge for lengs cheapness. Rare example of shep and I being at odds. Luckily he regained his composure and got his vengeance

[Jasons073]

I definitely felt it. Since leaving Earth Shepard basically has a string of victories: Tuchanka, Rannoch, and the side missions in between. He's killed two reapers and manages to slow the destruction of two planets. Remember that Palaven eventually manages to hold its ground (see Codex Entry: Miracle at Palaven). Thessia, however, is the first time Shepard goes into a mission and fails to accomplish ANY of his objectives. He can't save or slow the destruction of Thessia. He doesn't kill any reapers. He doesn't find out what the catalyst is or what the Crucible does. All he finds out, uselessly, is that the Asari "goddess" was a myth created by the Protheans, which is more or less inconsequential.

So basically, Shepard sacrifices the lives of all the Asari who helped him get into the temple (Talon I and V, commandos, lieutenant, the scientists, etc.) for nothing, and loses to an assassin who cheaply brings in a gunship as support. To top it off, Thessia is supposed to be one of the best-defended planets in the Mass Effect universe, to the point that the reapers had to place it under siege in order to win (since the Asari were focusing on hit and run tactics).

So yeah, my Shepard felt like crap, and was pretty demoralized after the whole ordeal. Kai Leng's cheap escape was a final slap in the face. Eviscerating him with an omni-blade at the end of Priority: Cerberus Base certainly felt good.

[Stalker]

Also never felt it.

Thessia is unreasonably written as a breaking point for Shepard while I (the player) was just sitting there, feeling next to nothing. It was like the game was constantly shouting at me "This is sad and depressing!".
Forced emotion that didn't reach me at all.

[CDRSkyShepard]

I felt virtually nothing about the defeat at Thessia. IMO, it's because BioWare utterly failed at setting it up. To me, it felt more like an annoying setback...but to Shep, it was a crushing defeat.

To achieve the full effect, the mission should have been longer. It should've been a big hub-type world like Tuchanka and Rannoch with many parts to the mission. Have a few small victories, but ultimately get snubbed at every turn. Then during the main/final mission, have it all be for naught. THEN I would've been ticked and mad and crushed. But that's not how it went. You asked one squad to give their lives to cover your run to the Temple, then all the sudden the entire planet is lost. There's a leap there that really needed to be filled in. Even KL stealing the Catalyst would only be considered a minor setback compared to...I dunno, losing your whole crew to the Collectors, forcing your hand. Sure, the fate of the galaxy is in the balance, but there was obviously nothing stopping Shepard from tracking him down.

When it comes down to it, there is not enough content in and around the Thessia mission for me to care. All I think is, "Oh, so Cerberus got the jump on us. Let's take care of business!" If Shepard were really that emotionally and mentally drained to let a setback affect her so much, they did a poor job of showing the downhill path. The dreams didn't get worse and were fairly spread out, they were always pretty much the same, and there is no context outside of those and a couple of small conversations that Shepard is losing grip. There was not enough build-up all around.

Omega Torsk wrote...

Also, to those who say, "I could've taken him! Biowur was stupid for putting that scene in!" that tactic was hardly new to the saga. I seem to recall the fight with Saren on Virmire where something very similar happened. Also, the Shadow Broker fight and the battle with Vasir. Yet nobody seems to complain about them!

I think it's just easy to hate Kai Leng. I don't blame you, the Kai Leng we received in ME3 was definitely not the Kai Leng that was introduced to us in "Retribution."

It would've been infinitely better if KL's "god mode" weren't so damn obvious the entire time. With Saren, Vasir, and the Shadow Broker, you whittled them down, got a false sense of accomplishment, then their health and barriers went right back up again. You had to whittle Saren down to a point, then it immediately cut to a cutscene, and you're like "FUUUU!!!" But with KL, I'm pumping Widow rounds into this guy and his shields aren't taking barely any punishment and my gun is almost empty. Then when you encounter him later he's pretty easy to kill from a distance. That's what makes his god-mode on Thessia so annoying. At least Saren was MUCH harder to whittle down the next time you faced him after he was "invincible" on Virmire.

[MyChemicalBromance]

I liked it.

It was already clear that Thessia was done. Even if we had found out what the Catalyst was right then and there, it wouldn't have mattered, and that was taking its toll on Shepard. Kai Leng just makes it even worse. You're already getting the feeling that you're not going to beat the Reapers, and now you can't even complete the hail mary play because of a single drop ship.

[MyChemicalBromance]

Jasons073 wrote...

I definitely felt it. Since leaving Earth Shepard basically has a string of victories: Tuchanka, Rannoch, and the side missions in between. He's killed two reapers and manages to slow the destruction of two planets. Remember that Palaven eventually manages to hold its ground (see Codex Entry: Miracle at Palaven). Thessia, however, is the first time Shepard goes into a mission and fails to accomplish ANY of his objectives. He can't save or slow the destruction of Thessia. He doesn't kill any reapers. He doesn't find out what the catalyst is or what the Crucible does. All he finds out, uselessly, is that the Asari "goddess" was a myth created by the Protheans, which is more or less inconsequential.

So basically, Shepard sacrifices the lives of all the Asari who helped him get into the temple (Talon I and V, commandos, lieutenant, the scientists, etc.) for nothing, and loses to an assassin who cheaply brings in a gunship as support. To top it off, Thessia is supposed to be one of the best-defended planets in the Mass Effect universe, to the point that the reapers had to place it under siege in order to win (since the Asari were focusing on hit and run tactics).

So yeah, my Shepard felt like crap, and was pretty demoralized after the whole ordeal. Kai Leng's cheap escape was a final slap in the face. Eviscerating him with an omni-blade at the end of Priority: Cerberus Base certainly felt good.

Very well put.

[dreman9999]

 I would not call it a defeat. More of him side stepping me. I more upset that I id not get to my goal then him using a cheap trick to win.
I still felt like crap.

Modifié par dreman9999, 30 septembre 2012 - 08:09 .

[dreman9999]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Also never felt it.

Thessia is unreasonably written as a breaking point for Shepard while I (the player) was just sitting there, feeling next to nothing. It was like the game was constantly shouting at me "This is sad and depressing!".
Forced emotion that didn't reach me at all.

....The last piece of the crucible, the divice need to stop the reapers , is gone and your not upset?

[AresKeith]

Bioware should have stuck with the idea of giving him a Cerberus Op Squad http://social.biowar.../index/14056558

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

Bioware should have stuck with the idea of giving him a Cerberus Op Squad http://social.biowar.../index/14056558

BW should of taken the info of the crucible and divided it up to other world so we could have some exploration in ME3.<_<

[Jvolikas]

I didnt really feel it. Maybe if we had lost someone on Thessia too...

[HurricaneGinger]

Not really. I mean, I saw it as a mission failure because I went to Thessia to get the information about the Catalyst, and Kai Leng took that away. Did I feel guilty about Thessia? No, it was lost before I arrived, and there was nothing I could do to stop the Reapers until the Crucible was complete.

[Stalker]

dreman9999 wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Also never felt it.

Thessia is unreasonably written as a breaking point for Shepard while I (the player) was just sitting there, feeling next to nothing. It was like the game was constantly shouting at me "This is sad and depressing!".
Forced emotion that didn't reach me at all.

....The last piece of the crucible, the divice need to stop the reapers , is gone and your not upset?

It's a plot-device that I will get back anyway.
Shepard already hunted Saren across the galaxy for what he needed without any doubt (rpg-element: you could decide if your Shepard is confident or not). Now he is suddenly all down because Leng won that single fight. 

Back on Virmire, I truly felt beaten: Despite all my efforts fighting through hordes of enemies, sacrificing a whole bunch of Salarian lifes and one of my squadmates, a proper villain came and beat me up (not just in the cutscene, but also in the fight... in counterpart to Leng)

In ME3 it was all forced on me to feel something.

[RogueBot]

No, because I (as a player) wasn't defeated. I just got forced into watching the character I was playing get defeated.

To me, it really meant nothing. It was supposed to happen, and that was fine, it was like reading a book. I don't think it was good storytelling, though.

[Obeded the 2nd]

Yeah, I wanted his head after that.

[Stalker]

RogueBot wrote...

No, because I (as a player) wasn't defeated. I just got forced into watching the character I was playing get defeated.

To me, it really meant nothing. It was supposed to happen, and that was fine, it was like reading a book. I don't think it was good storytelling, though.

You sum up my feelings better and shorter than myself^^

It was meant to happen and was overdone in terms of expressing depressing emotion.

[Anti-killer]

I felt enraged. seriously, to be kicking his ass, then to lose because Liara and Shepard have no brains is...too much.

ok, firstly, were the Reapers helping them? if not, why the heck didn't they notice Kai Leng's immortal Star destroyer gunship?

then Kai leng rushes at Liara, who just...stands there, not even thinking to use her biotics or even try to dodge him. then Shepard just rushes at him like a moron, also not using his specials. and to make it worse, the damn gun...goddamn, that was annoying.

it was a horrible fight...

Modifié par Anti-killer, 30 septembre 2012 - 10:01 .

[dreman9999]

Mr Massakka wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Also never felt it.

Thessia is unreasonably written as a breaking point for Shepard while I (the player) was just sitting there, feeling next to nothing. It was like the game was constantly shouting at me "This is sad and depressing!".
Forced emotion that didn't reach me at all.

....The last piece of the crucible, the divice need to stop the reapers , is gone and your not upset?

It's a plot-device that I will get back anyway.
Shepard already hunted Saren across the galaxy for what he needed without any doubt (rpg-element: you could decide if your Shepard is confident or not). Now he is suddenly all down because Leng won that single fight. 

Back on Virmire, I truly felt beaten: Despite all my efforts fighting through hordes of enemies, sacrificing a whole bunch of Salarian lifes and one of my squadmates, a proper villain came and beat me up (not just in the cutscene, but also in the fight... in counterpart to Leng)

In ME3 it was all forced on me to feel something.

1. Everything is a plot device in the story.
2.It's not a case of losing a fight . It's a case of not completing the mission the Shep is upset about.

[dreman9999]

Anti-killer wrote...



then Kai leng rushes at Liara, who just...stands there, not even thinking to use her biotics or even try to dodge him. then Shepard just rushes at him like a moron, also not using his specials. and to make it worse, the damn gun...goddamn, that was annoying.

it was a horrible fight...

1. Liara is not a close range fighter.

2.Kai Lang is immune to gravity based biotics and resistant to the rest.

[Kastrenzo]

I want some of that Kai Leng plot armor.

[dreman9999]

Kastrenzo wrote...

I want some of that Kai Leng plot armor.

You do know Shep servived a blast from a reaper, right?

[DanishViking]

i felt like..... are you kidding me now i have to chase this bastard down....

[Jilinna]

I remember feeling so pissed off and angry after Thessia my first play through. I personally felt like I got kicked in the quad! It was infuriating to me that fight. It fit well with my character the reason why she was upset. I thought the fight was terrible but the conversation's afterwards were okay. When I play I try to immerse my self in the game as much as possible and feel how my character is feeling and when Kai bastard Leng said attack the supports I was like nooooo! lol. I was afraid of another Virmire moment during my 1st play through. I think it did it's purpose 1st time through, after playing it again it loses it's charm but I really did feel like my Shepard was losing it and Thessia was the straw that broke the camel's back.

I also loved the conversations you get to have after with a totally pissed off Shepard & ppl trying to support Shepard and helping Liara. Finally someone asks Shepard if there alright instead of fixing everyone's problems. Especially the convo with Joker and Garrus.

However I agree with Sky's post, Thessia should of been longer and there should of been more of a build up to that moment so Shepard had more of a reason to be angry that Thessia was burning. To be perfectly honest my character wasn't as upset Thessia fell, but she was more upset that Kai Leng got away & took the data that we needed for the crucible. That she lost to that coward that ran away instead of having a showdown to the death.

So it was more a personal vendetta, her pride was hurt. Thessia had plenty of warning they did nothing. They had that beacon stored away so they were always on top of the other species. They didn't do a good job making me feel bad that Thessia was burning. There was no sympathetic faces for me to feel bad about.

Except Liara I guess because she was my Shepard's friend but it needed something more for me to get worked up over Thessia burning. I felt Shepard did a good job expressing that when liara was curled up on her bed &  when you hit the paragon interrupt, Shepard says "You have been warning your people for four year's liara, there's not a damn thing you should feel guilty about", took the word's right out of my mouth. 

Modifié par Jilinna, 30 septembre 2012 - 10:57 .

[Inside_Joke]

I felt like I was kicked in the teeth.

[C9316]

I felt like I was cheated because I was kicking Leng's ass throughout the entire fight.