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[Cazlee]

devastated, but I liked the twist.

[Fingertrip]

My reaction was pretty much Shepard's reaction when he was about to reply the Councilors message.

A complete failure.

[metawanderer]

That particular scene would have worked better if the boss was more challenging or like an impossible battle to win. There was a certain scene in Dragon Age Origins (I can't remember when) where you loose and get arrested and from my understanding, it was,an impossible battle to win. It is kind of tough to take that level of immersion of what Shepard was feeling when in Mass Effect 2 you take down several gunships if I remember correctly.

Not to say that I did not feel an emotional impact, because I did.  Right after Thessia, when you had to relay your message to Admiral Hackett/The counselor about your failure, I felt sympathy for Shep when he/she hesistated to open the Comm Link.    

Modifié par metawanderer, 02 avril 2012 - 01:27 .

[Grasich]

I felt pissed off about the plot armor.

If I lose a legitimate fight, it pisses me off (but in an acceptable I-will-get-you-next-time kind of way). If I lose because of plot armor it's just a "wtf is this ****" feeling.

For example, I really like the part in DA:O where you get ambushed and they try to haul you off to prison. Its a really really tough fight, but it IS winnable.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

I did I couldn't wait to put a bullet into Kai Lang and TIM's heads

[pharsti]

I did, wanted to disembowel him and he escaped, left me fuming.

But i do understand Shepards reaction, i mean, its not exactly because of Kai Leng, there were people on Thessia counting on you, and some died to get you there, and well.... you lost it, its like you wasted their lives for nothing. Left a bad taste in my mouth hearing the radio and seeing yet another planet being destroyed with me having nothing to avoid it.

[Hexley UK]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Put it this way I reset and reloaded many times seeing if could change the outcome.

Thats is why it was good. Shepard has always won and having such a defeat for the player is a very good thing. Shows he is not a god, he is not invincible and can lose. I was very glad later however getting revenge for Thane.

Lol hell yea.

I play as pure Paragon and my only renegade action (besides the forced ones) was to kill Kai Leng.

"That's for Thane you SoB"

Awesome.

[Grasich]

metawanderer wrote...

That particular scene would have worked better if the boss was more challenging or like an impossible battle to win. There was a certain scene in Dragon Age Origins (I can't remember when) where you loose and get arrested and from my understanding, it was,an impossible battle to win. It is kind of tough to take that level of immersion of what Shepard was feeling when in Mass Effect 2 you take down several gunships if I remember correctly.

Stop reading my mind!!!

[Gyspy Jive]

I felt that Thessia was really rushed. Hell, everything after Tuchanka felt really rushed.

[Grimez7]

The only thing that got to me was the screaming soldiers when the reapers landed, I had no emotions for Kai Leng(except maybe annoyance). Shepard took it MUCH harder than he did earth(which i don't get), the only person that had a right to cry was Liara(then Javik was a douche bag and just added to it)

Modifié par Grimez7, 02 avril 2012 - 01:26 .

[FanHarel]

Yeah, that kinda hit me a bit hard. Up until that point, I always felt that was a way to save everyone I could save. I guess Bioware wanted to show us the reality of war and make a point that "you really can't save them all".

[Element Zero]

I was kicking that fool's ass, and I knew I'd track him down, so the big deal about "Shepard losing" seemed out of place.

Watching Thessia fall, though, was a shame. Learning the true extent to which the Protheans had gone in engineering the Asari was cool. The revelation of the Asari hoarding Prothean knowledge was also interesting.

[ImmovableMover]

No because it was too obviously a "Supposed to lose" fight. I whooped Kai Leng's ass and he pulled a gun ship out of nowhere to end it.

Where exactly did that gun ship come from anyway? Was it hovering outside shooting the breeze with the reapers? I know that Kai was indoctrinated but how would the Reapers tell the difference between gunships?

[CheeseEnchilada]

Si-Shen wrote...

I felt sad because it was hit pretty hard however I did feel that Shep's reaction was a bit much. It was more like he was throwing a tantrum to me, felt out of character.

As happy as I am that Shepard finally showed some emotion in this game, I wish more of it was optional. There were moments, like the aftermath of Thessia and visiting the VS in Huerta for the first time that, as you said, felt like a bit much. Then you had others, like talking with Wrex after the genophage cure or Thane's death where I wish you had the choice to have Shepard emote a bit more. 

As for defeat, I didn't feel it at all. Kai Leng seems less like an actual character and more like a plot device meant to frustrate the player, and that tactic usually falls flat with me. I stopped caring about Vent Boy early on too. I cared about Thessia. I didn't care about Leng.

Modifié par CheeseEnchilada, 02 avril 2012 - 01:29 .

[mauro2222]

Nope

[Omanisat]

I wasn't defeated by Kai Leng. I was defeated by a gunship and sub-standard asari construction.

That email however did ****** me off.

[Reciever80]

I felt the loss, although at the same time I really thought I should have won. I mean, I kicked the guy's ass. That being said, It still hit pretty hard, and I was really pissed I lost the data on the Catalyst.


Maybe Kai Leng was trying to save us from the ending too?

[rivqa]

It got me. Shepard is used to success and being able to help people, so it kind of made sense that she would fail sometimes and be devastated by that. Not that it didn't feel manufactured, but it hit the right emotional notes for me. Especially Liara's reactions and Shepard not wanting to take the call afterwards. And it did make me absolutely despise Kai Leng.

[Dendio1]

They should have done it like the first encounter with letho in witcher 2. Make the boss tough as nails even on easy difficulty, so you feel like you are on the edge of defeat OR make the fight unwinnable. Make the cut scene trigger by shepard's health bar getting low. Again you would feel like it was a struggle.

As it is you are defeating Kai leng when he pulls a helocopter outta nowhere and gimps you...It felt like a cheap shot..bringing a gun to a knife fight so to speak.

Lengs cheap shot left me pissed off and wanting my revenge. It would be fine if shepard felt the same way, but he didnt. He acted as if he was beaten fair and square.


Once I got to the ship and saw everyone feeling down, I felt like I had missed something. Then I gradually started to empathize with my crew.

Modifié par Dendio1, 02 avril 2012 - 01:32 .

[Grasich]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

Si-Shen wrote...

I felt sad because it was hit pretty hard however I did feel that Shep's reaction was a bit much. It was more like he was throwing a tantrum to me, felt out of character.

As happy as I am that Shepard finally showed some emotion in this game, I wish more of it was optional. There were moments, like the aftermath of Thessia and visiting the VS in Huerta for the first time that, as you said, felt like a bit much. Then you had others, like talking with Wrex after the genophage cure or Thane's death where I wish you had the choice to have Shepard emote a bit more. 

As for defeat, I didn't feel it at all. Kai Leng seems less like an actual character and more like a plot device meant to frustrate the player, and that tactic usually falls flat with me. I stopped caring about Vent Boy early on too.

Agreed. The whole part with Kaidan/Ashley bothered me. I never liked either of them, so why am I being forced to have a really sad scene where Shep seems about ready to cry over them?

[CaptainZaysh]

I felt it, definitely. I felt that my Shepard was suffering a real crisis of confidence in the early game (with Liara trying to be an anchor to her), but got her groove back on in the middle act. The failure on Thessia - and Liara's subsequent breakdown - felt like a hammer blow to her morale to me, at the worst possible time.

I thought the crew's attempts to console Shep were really good - like they were all s**t scared of their leader losing faith in the mission. Garrus's in particular was really effective. He seemed to sense Shep would crack if he started probing about how exactly Mordin had died again. Shep admitting she killed him was, I thought, a really heavy scene.

What happens if Kai Leng kills you in the fight? Do you get a CRITICAL MISSION FAILURE or does the scene play out differently?

[Zardoc]

Nykara wrote...

Si-Shen wrote...

I felt sad because it was hit pretty hard however I did feel that Shep's reaction was a bit much. It was more like he was throwing a tantrum to me, felt out of character.

I took Shepards reaction to be due to the loss of Thessia itself not Kai Leng. Honestly who wouldn't feel that? Totally not out of character at all.

So he takes the loss of the asari homeworld harder than the loss of his own homeworld? Makes sense, I suppose...



Anyway, I merely felt pissed at Leng, or more precisely how he thought he was the big badass even though he needed a gunship to be able to handle me. What a douche.

Modifié par Zardoc, 02 avril 2012 - 01:32 .

[RazorrX]

I was angry due to the plot armor. I felt that I could easily have killed him (he was going down rather fast as it was).

So I never really felt like I failed, I felt like I was forced to fail.

[frylock23]

Grimez7 wrote...

The only thing that got to me was the screaming soldiers when the reapers landed, I had no emotions for Kai Leng(except maybe annoyance). Shepard took it MUCH harder than he did earth(which i don't get), the only person that had a right to cry was Liara(then Javik was a douche bag and just added to it)

I understand why Shep took it hard. The whole thing was being built up as the last fight before you plug in the "I WIn" machine that is the Crucible. Shep keeps telling the asari on the fight up that all they have to do is collect the catalyst and they can finish the Crucible, and the Crucible will destroy the Reapers. It's like having certain victory to end the entire war and save earth right there in front of you, and it's snatched. It's not Thessia that Shep's mourning; it's Earth.

[Powerpetzi]

I did. Made beating him in Cerberus Base all the better.