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[ErikModi]

I just don't like Kai Leng.

I can't even say I hate him, in the sense that, "Oh, Loghain is such a bastard, I hate him!" or "The Council are so self-absorbed, I hate them!" That's a genuine reaction that gets me invested more deeply in the story. Leng is just. . . meh. First, he's a melee villian in a shooter, a concept that just never works well. . . they're either totally pointless wastes of ammo, or too small, too fast, too well-armored, or all of the above, to prevent them from closing to melee range, where, if they don't have an auto-death attack, they have an attack so powerful it may as well be auto-death. ME3 added to this insanity by giving their ridiculously overpowered melee troops (Phantoms, Banshees, and Kai Leng, who is basically just a "Hero Phantom") RANGED ATTACKS. So playing keep-away doesn't even dramatically increase your chances of survival.

Not only is he a poorly-designed enemy to fight, his character is just underwhelming. I don't feel any connection to him as a villain, other than he keeps going after things I need. I think my feelings can be summed up best by Thane: He should be ashamed. He got beaten up by a terminally-ill Drell.

The whole fall of Thessia was amazing, don't get me wrong. Kai Leng, though. . . they really could have given us a MUCH better villain to play off of. And the final fight with him was just a completely ridiculous exercise in frustration.

[mauro2222]

Grasich wrote...

Agreed. The whole part with Kaidan/Ashley bothered me. I never liked either of them, so why am I being forced to have a really sad scene where Shep seems about ready to cry over them?

I have the same reaction everytime that Liara shows up.

Modifié par mauro2222, 02 avril 2012 - 01:32 .

[ahandsomeshark]

I felt sad when talking to the Tevos and Liara but didn't really care one way or another about Kai Leng and didn't feel like I failed.

[CaptainZaysh]

metawanderer wrote...

There was a certain scene in Dragon Age Origins (I can't remember when) where you loose and get arrested and from my understanding, it was,an impossible battle to win.  

It wasn't impossible, just really hard!  I played DA:O on casual, though (I like things to die when I stab them or set them on fire), so I wasn't even aware of the jailbreak scene until I visited the BSN.  That's a really great scene so in many ways the player is better off being defeated in that scrap.

[movieguyabw]

Yeah, I was tossing Kai-Leng around like a ragdoll in that fight. Oddly enough, the gunship didn't bother me so much. I had enough health, shields, power recharge time, and damage protection to charge Leng a couple of times more until getting into cover each time. Having Shep lose the fight in the cutscene seemed really out of place.

It didn't bother me so much though.

[mrderp27]

i wanted to curb stomp KL

[Nathan Redgrave]

The defeat at the hands of Kai Leng didn't really bug me.

Now, the dying screams of the asari captain who was covering for me back at the beginning as a Reaper descended on her position... THAT gave me shivers.

Shepard's reaction to losing a crucial key to their defense against the Reapers wasn't overdone, but I would have (as is the norm in this game) preferred more dialogue choice.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

I did. I knew that Leng didn't deserve to win, but he did so for the worst of reasons. I actually wish we got to kill Leng worse in the final fight @ Cerberus HQ, but to do so probably would've worked to diminish Shepard's character, whether paragon or otherwise.

[AtlasMickey]

Yes, I did, partially.

I suspected that the battle automatically ended in defeat, but given the branching nature of Mass Effect and that struggled in the battle, I wondered whether I genuinely lost, and that was enough to feel the impact of that part of the story.

Just another reason why I love Mass Effect.

[Zardoc]

metawanderer wrote...

That particular scene would have worked better if the boss was more challenging or like an impossible battle to win. There was a certain scene in Dragon Age Origins (I can't remember when) where you loose and get arrested and from my understanding, it was,an impossible battle to win. It is kind of tough to take that level of immersion of what Shepard was feeling when in Mass Effect 2 you take down several gunships if I remember correctly.
 

Actually, that particular battle you're talking about can be won, one simply has to kite Cauthrien into another room away from the rest of her guards and kill her (though you do need a good tank) and then simply kill off the rest of her troops once she's dead. That way you simply skip the entire Fort Drakon dungeons quest.

[Mr.House]

I did, not because of the scene but because how we where going to that scene. We where close to wining, we where kicking butt, we where wining everywhere and we kept on telling the asari we will end this war, then we are defeated because Kai Leng decided to outsmart Shepard and use the gunship to destroy the temple, he knew he could not beat Shepard so he went to trickery. Plus we also found out the truth about Asari culture and history and how it really was a lie, plus my LI was Liara so I was so devasted by what she was going to.

In the end, the fall of Thessia was probably one of my fav parts in the series.

Modifié par Mr.House, 02 avril 2012 - 01:39 .

[Spherexius]

I just felt angry as hell for being forced into an unwinnable cutscene event. I also didn't get why Shepard and crew didn't just take the VI with them to the Normandy instead of standing there stupidly in the middle of an invasion. There was clearly no issue transporting it around.

Then you get the ridiculous email later on with Kai Leng taunting Shepard, when he was clearly the one who was taking a beating up until the end. It just felt wrong. The whole scene and it's aftermath was an immersion breaker for me. It did make me hate Cerberus with a vengeance, but for all the wrong reasons.

Modifié par Spherexius, 02 avril 2012 - 01:42 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I haven't had a boss fight I was supposed to lose in a game for years. Thessia hit hard the first time simply because Liara was Shepard's LI and was there. It was a feeling of helplessness, but the problem with this ploy is that it only works once. The second time you know it's going to happen so it doesn't work. They should have just made it a tough fight where you defeated Kai Leng but he managed to get the data uploaded to TIM. That would have been better. Plot shields are just ridiculous. I wish we'd been able to visit Thessia in ME1.

[Phategod1]

It made me snap at Joker, the only time I ever wanted to actually snap at Joker. I thought the those two moments were perfect.

[ambroseaz]

I did. I was livid. I wanted to beat his head into a greasy smudge. While the oldest, and arguably greatest, civilization in the galaxy is falling apart, he steals the last great hope for organic life right out from under me. Then the scene between Javik and Liara after. It was a brutal emotional low.

[Zardoc]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I haven't had a boss fight I was supposed to lose in a game for years. Thessia hit hard the first time simply because Liara was Shepard's LI and was there. It was a feeling of helplessness, but the problem with this ploy is that it only works once. The second time you know it's going to happen so it doesn't work. They should have just made it a tough fight where you defeated Kai Leng but he managed to get the data uploaded to TIM. That would have been better. Plot shields are just ridiculous. I wish we'd been able to visit Thessia in ME1.

I hope the irony of that statement is not lost on you.

[Ender99]

I really didn't feel like I lost to Kai Leng, I was totally kicking his butt when it went to the cut scene. I did feel like I failed Thessia later when I was talking to the councilor, but the fight itself? No, because I was winning, it just kinda made me mad.

[Grellow]

It made me not care about him as a character, or as an enemy.

If you want to show Shepard be defeated, fine. Just don't make me go through a pointless round of gameplay that accomplishes nothing but to make me think of Kai Leng as a giant ponce.

[Nathan Redgrave]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

metawanderer wrote...

There was a certain scene in Dragon Age Origins (I can't remember when) where you loose and get arrested and from my understanding, it was,an impossible battle to win.  

It wasn't impossible, just really hard!  I played DA:O on casual, though (I like things to die when I stab them or set them on fire), so I wasn't even aware of the jailbreak scene until I visited the BSN.  That's a really great scene so in many ways the player is better off being defeated in that scrap.

Wait, it's actually possible to defeat Ser Cauthrien? Wha...?

Well. That's certainly interesting.

[Grasich]

mauro2222 wrote...

Grasich wrote...

Agreed. The whole part with Kaidan/Ashley bothered me. I never liked either of them, so why am I being forced to have a really sad scene where Shep seems about ready to cry over them?

I have the same reaction everytime that Liara shows up.

Agreed. I love Liara, but there is NO reason to force everyone to be friendly with her.

After replaying the first two again, it's just so obvious how much in the first two games you ARE Commander Shepard. You determine his opinions, his emotions, etc. In ME3 you are watching Commander Shepard, and he already has preset opinions and emotions.

Especially in ME1, if you don't like someone you can make it damn clear that you hate them.

[CaptainZaysh]

Phategod1 wrote...

It made me snap at Joker, the only time I ever wanted to actually snap at Joker. I thought the those two moments were perfect.

Yeah!  And I got to apologise for it later.  The Joker scenes were great.  :happy:

[CrazyCatDude]

They should have built the fight similar to the Object Rho fight with a touch of the Vasir fight in LotSB. Made Kai Leng an actual bad a** in the fight, but he calls in waves of reinforcements, which each wave getting progressively tougher, until the gunship shows up and just blows the crap out of the temple. Heck, have Shepard pull a Garrus and take a missile to the face, then have a cut scene where Liara is trying desperately to keep Shepard from bleeding out before Cortez arrives while you hear the Asari dying in the background. Then, Shepard wakes up in the medbay.

[enormousmoonboots]

I brought Javik with me. Maxed grenades, +25% power damage.

Each 'fight' segment lasted about four seconds, no exaggeration. Really killed everything after it.

[CaptainZaysh]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Wait, it's actually possible to defeat Ser Cauthrien? Wha...?

Well. That's certainly interesting.

Yeah, but then you miss the awesome jailbreak scene...