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[pottypenguin]

It felt jarring, and pulled me out of the game. Bioware assumed control to show that Shepard is just human, could and may fail, and that doubt may be creeping in. A crack in the almighty Shepard‘s armor. The scripted lost felt cheap, and the child like tantrum of Shepard felt out of character. Ten minutes later Shepard seems to be mostly back to his old overcome all odds attitude.

It seemed to be a precursor for the ending, that Shepard reached his limit and had no other choice to accept the starchild’s RBG solutions. After Shepards tantrum this theme never seemed to overcome the theme of hope (in my opinion) until the last five minutes with starchild.

[Agamo45]

Lyrandori wrote...

Something else to consider is that indeed I believe that Shepard's reaction is in major part due to the fall of Thessia as a whole, not "just" the mission's failure. The thing is retrieving the data later on will be possible, but you can't go back in time and save Thessia, nor could Shepard just start single-handedly punching all Reapers on Thessia to death to save the very planet itself and most of the Asari's culture.

Additionally, very important, is what Shepard says back on the Normandy when reporting to the Asari Councilor: « I'm... » * transmission ends * «... sorry.».

The Asari Councilor wasn't aware of Kai Leng (I think? can anyone confirm? I haven't played since my first and only play-through until that part in weeks now). Shepard trying to say h/she's sorry to the Asari Councilor pretty much concerns the fall of Thessia itself. I don't think that Shepard would go all dramatic-looking and be "sorry" on a personal level to the Asari Councilor if it had been a question of mission-specific report, Shepard wouldn't be sorry for failing a mission and saying that to the Councilor, or at least not including that much emotion with the look of a depressed person.

And, last but not least, the actual track from the soundtrack, "I'm Sorry", listen to it, and picture the fall of the home world of the oldest race of the current cycle and arguably the most important of them. That track alone expresses the fall of the Asari AND Shepard's "failure" on a personal level, it's NOT a track about failing a mission or some military objective. Well that's how I see it anyway. Shepard is too cool to feel that sorry about simply failing one mission, she's a Marine, there's no perfect military careers, there's always one or more dark spots on your sheet of paper. But seeing the Asari's home world falling while you're physically there and powerless to do anything about it... now that can have its own weight on Shepard's consciousness.

Well my Shep definitely wouldn't react like that. And theres no way in hell he would ever apologize to the worthless asari counselor, who has done NOTHING to help so far. And Thessia? Bah, maybe now with their homeworld in flames, the asari might be spurred into fighting. I should've been able to actually choose how Shep reacted to that.

[Flamesz]

I actually did feel really pissed off and angry at Kai Leng and Cerberus and so I thought the parts on the Normandy afterwards were well done, although my Shepard reacted a bit dick-ishly towards Joker.

[BDelacroix]

I found it bizarre. Yea, Thessia was taking a beating, no more or less it seemed than Earth. Yet it seemed Thessia was eliminated.

The Kai Ling fight was bizarre. Plot gunship was annoying. It felt video gamey OH WAIT WHAT?
As it turns out all I had to do was take a shot at him just as his plot armor left and he just stayed in his place until I warped to the other side of the cathedral and fell in the hole. Who builds a building suspended over a bottomless pit?

[Vhalkyrie]

I did, actually. I felt helpless as I couldn't save the people of Thessia. Kai Leng was frustrating because he should have been beatable. I did get this sinking feeling that Shepard was losing grasp. Maybe not an A+ execution, but I got the message, and was fine with it.

[Andronic0s]

I never understood what was special about Thessia, why wasn't Shep sad about palaven or earth for that matter? the game seems to imply Thessia got wiped out , but judging from earth and palaven it will take time for the reapers to do their thing and well given that endgame comes 2 missions after thessia...it would seem thessia got the least damage of the council races (except for maybe Sur'Kesh since it was never very clear to me how hard the Salarians got hit)

But as for Shep feeling sorry after the mission, that felt forced given that there was still time to get the data from cerberus since they did not destroyed the data (his reaction would have made sense if they would have), I would imagine shep to be barking orders and trying to come up with a plan to find the cerberus base rather than go cry on his cabin :-/

Modifié par Andronic0s, 02 avril 2012 - 06:45 .

[Nelzeben]

Kai Leng reminded me of Persona 3's Takaya - very deadly in a cutscene, total wimp in a real fight. Getting defeated via cutscene is always annoying, but oh well. That said, no, I didn't feel anything but vague annoyance about the fact that they wrenched the control over the outcome of a fight away from me.

I was more than vaguely annoyed about how much Shepard seemed to care about Thessia afterwards, though. What about Palaven? Hell, Dekuuna? I felt terrible for that elcor asking Shepard to try and rescue some of his people.

Modifié par Nelzeben, 02 avril 2012 - 06:47 .

[Vhalkyrie]

Andronic0s wrote...

I never understood what was special about Thessia, why wasn't Shep sad about palaven or earth for that matter? the game seems to imply Thessia got wiped out , but judging from earth and palaven it will take time for the reapers to do their thing and well given that endgame comes 2 missions after thessia...it would seem thessia got the lightest of the council races (except for maybe Sur'Kesh since it was never very clear to me how hard the Salarians got hit)

But as for Shep feeling sorry after the mission, that felt forced given that there was still time to get the data from cerberus since they did not destroyed the data (his reaction would have made sense if they would have), I would imagine shep to be barking orders and trying to come up with a plan to find the cerberus base rather than go cry on his cabin :-/

Palaven and Earth were pretty much the only planets that had taken some steps to prepare, so they held out longer than most.  Thessia had their head in the sand, and were easily suppressed.  The Asari never took the warnings seriously, and they fell quickly.

[jumpingkaede]

I thought it was interesting that Shepard "failed" for the first time.

Didn't really hate Kai Leng though or feel defeated. Why should I? I was kicking Kai Leng's butt until plot armor took over. It definitely could've been handled with more subtlety but that apparently isn't Bioware's style.

- Find Thessia Beacon
- Cerberus troops start bleeding in en masse with Kai Leng there
- Shepard and squad forced to take cover
- When most troops are dead (Kai Leng not really participating in the fight) Shepard sees Kai Leng going for the Beacon
- Gunship blows up floor
- Shepard almost reaches the Beacon but floor crumbles under him
- Squadmate sees it and has to decide at a clear shot at Kai Leng or saving Shepard; drops the gun and leaps for Shepard's hand catching him (a la ME2 ending).
- By the time Shepard gets back up Kai Leng and Cerberus troops are gone
- Kai Leng doesn't taunt Shepard afterward

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[Potatomade]

I liked the fact that Shepard finally lost something completely. Not a "I lost a squad member, but mission accomplished anyway" sort of thing. Thessia was a total failure for Shepard, and it is good that it was. It showed that Shepard was not invincible. I'd have actually liked it if things like that happened more often.

[Carlthestrange]

I felt angry, and wanted the guy dead, pretty badly.

[Laurcus]

Nope, not at all. I am all too familiar with the post battle cutscene defeat bull****. ME3 is not the first game to pull that, and it always makes me mad. *cough Final Fantasy 6* *cough first Humbaba fight*

As far as storytelling goes, I didn't like the fact that they tried to humanize Shepard so much at the 11th hour. They set Shepard up as this invincible hero, and then they try to have him lose and crack under pressure after all he's been through? It'd be like if Goku lost it and turned into a depressed coward during the fight with Majin Buu. Or if Master Chief pulled the above during Halo 3.

It was like a complete 180 of his character. Really though, that's nitpicking compared to the ending.

Modifié par Laurcus, 02 avril 2012 - 06:54 .

[ogtrplganggrl]

Siibi wrote...

I did. (When the asari was trying to radio Shep but she couldn't hear her voice) Not because of Kai Leng but because I couldn't save the people

Modifié par ogtrplganggrl, 02 avril 2012 - 06:50 .

[FlyingCow371]

The failure at Thessia was foreshadowing for how badly Shepard will screw up at the ending.

I probably felt worse about the stupid assari air support people who just flew around, didn't help, and then got shot down. I wanted to have a way to tell them no thanks, don't need your air support, we got this.

[jumpingkaede]

FlyingCow371 wrote...

The failure at Thessia was foreshadowing for how badly Shepard will screw up at the ending.

I probably felt worse about the stupid assari air support people who just flew around, didn't help, and then got shot down. I wanted to have a way to tell them no thanks, don't need your air support, we got this.

Oh man, this.  I wanted to tell them to back off.  Shepard has this easily but instead they stayed and tried to help and got shot down.

Too many Reapers on the highway?  lolwut?  Have people forgotten that Shepard is an unstoppable killing machine on the warfield?

[Cuddlezarro]

kai lengs pretty much got his ass handed to him during that fight just by shepard on insanity then hes like lolnope *gunship to support pillars*

and during the second fight? despite outnumbering him he still got thrashed... its not like saren on virmire where he grabs you by the throat and forces you to sacrifice a team mate it was just blah

[elarem]

Not really - my Shepard's wouldn't react in that way. By this point Shepard has experienced the attack on Earth, seen Palaven burning, not to mention hearing about other planets' populations being destroyed or committing mass suicide. Thessia is just another casualty to add to the list, and losing to Kai Leng is just another annoying plot point. Thus the scripted remorse, regret, despair or whatever, didn't work for me.

[Goroxx]

I did, pretty badly.

Then that bastard had the gall to troll me in an email?

I never wanted anyone so dead in a videogame than him.

I got my wish. Epic villain death, one of the many pre-ending highlights for me.

[Nineteen]

I felt defeated because of the post-Thessia dialog on the Normandy. Especially the part where Shepard gets into an argument with Joker. That's probably the saddest moment in the trilogy for me.

[BatmanPWNS]

Not gonna lie, I didn't feel it at all and was wondering why the hell Shepard looked like a cry baby on the Normandy.

[F00lishG]

I was especially sad because I wanted to yell at the Asari counselor for what she was hiding. And well if you're going to rub something in somebody's face, you can't lose.

[Baronesa]

I didnt felt the defeat by Space Ninja...

No...I felt defeated by the Reapers there... watching my Shepard's LI's world burn was far worse than knowing Earth was being destroyed... Thessia was more important for me than Earth.

But then again, I always thought we would have to sacrifice Earth in order to save the rest of the Galaxy. The whole Earth-centric theme felt really out of place. I wanted to save the galaxy not one planet.

[CrazyBirdman]

Nope, I completly crushed him in the fight and thought after he brought his gunship: "hey game, let me kill him and his stupid ship". I always knew I would be superior in a head to head fight and I was right every time I faced him outside of a cutscene
I just was angry about how badly he was done by BioWare. He had potential to be awesome. Sadly he wasn'T.

[Gerudan]

Honestly: Would we talk like that about a scene in any other game out there? I'm really complaining a lot about ME3, but god, cut them at least _some_ slack.