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This is an interesting notion, and yes, humanity might live to extinction under these circumstances. However, organic life is eventually going to be detrimental to progress and efficiency. It is hard to control. Therefore, EVENTUALLY, through expansion, synthetics will wipe out all life.


How so? If they are all about efficiency, why bother with something so beneath them? Why would such an advanced race of things bother spending the immense amounts of energy required to hunt down and kill every organic in existance.........for no gain other than.......what was the gain again? Why would such an advanced thing care if a microbe on a planet across the galaxy was "hard to control"?

That is like ants getting into my kitchen, and me deciding the only way to efficiently get the ants out of my sugar bowl is to fly to the Amazon jungle and exterminate every ant there.

I can't see it:) Once the machine god things got that big, we'd just be a tiny world within the world(galaxy), beneath their notice, free to live out our lives oblivious to the machine gods in the sky.


I would think in order for the Reapers' solution to hold water that they would ultimately be concerned about the ensuing fight between organics and synthetics wiping out all sentient life across the board. The type of tech between dark matter/stuff Tali's discovered on Haelstrom, the crucible, etc. that intelligent life whether organic or synthetic will eventually posses the means to destroy galaxies, and ultimately existence period, in the same sense of a kid finding his dad's gun and shooting himself or a friend, etc.

This is incredibly interesting! Analogous to the dillema we have involving nukes today, only the consequences from one rash act would be the destruction of the universe, not the earth. Perhaps no intellicence SHOULD be allowed to grow that advanced.

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sirisaacx wrote...

pomrink wrote...

sirisaacx wrote...

Kileyan wrote...

sirisaacx wrote...



This is an interesting notion, and yes, humanity might live to extinction under these circumstances. However, organic life is eventually going to be detrimental to progress and efficiency. It is hard to control. Therefore, EVENTUALLY, through expansion, synthetics will wipe out all life.


How so? If they are all about efficiency, why bother with something so beneath them? Why would such an advanced race of things bother spending the immense amounts of energy required to hunt down and kill every organic in existance.........for no gain other than.......what was the gain again? Why would such an advanced thing care if a microbe on a planet across the galaxy was "hard to control"?

That is like ants getting into my kitchen, and me deciding the only way to efficiently get the ants out of my sugar bowl is to fly to the Amazon jungle and exterminate every ant there.

I can't see it:) Once the machine god things got that big, we'd just be a tiny world within the world(galaxy), beneath their notice, free to live out our lives oblivious to the machine gods in the sky.


Well no, but eventually the geth would develop the universe so that EVERYWHERE was the kitchen. They would literally have a presence in the whole universe, given long enough. This would take many thousands of millenia, yes. But the Geth want to grow as much as possible. That is their stated goal. They would no doubt not stop until there was literally nowhere left to expand to.



that's sorta like the "AI making the whole solar system a calculator to solve a task" thought experiment.

Hah! I've read about that, and yeah, it's certainly a scenario leading to that solution, though perhaps not the ONLY scenario leading to that solution. You certainly know your theoretical singularity, sir.


Why thank you. I'm actually looking forward to the so called "rapture of the nerds". At least if we embrace transhumanism. Otherwise we're in for a nasty ride. Luckily, I've only gotta wait 30 years or so :]

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It happened over three hundred years ago. This would be like blaming white people currently living in America for slavery...


This is EXACTLY what I am going to say. You can't hold anyone responsible for the actions of others, even if those others looked the same, to do so would racist, and yes, I totally went there.


Yet the quarians went to war again even though the reapers came. The geth was preparing for the reapers and quarians just HAD to go to war. =_= Lets just say to me personally a lot of sympathy went out of the window for me when I found out they went to war with the geth. 

except the civilian fleet (the largest) didnt want to fight. And after you help them , the only reason they stayed was because of gerrel.

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At no point did the quarians ever attempt to sue for peace in the 300 years since the Morning War. Hell, they still don't even treat the Geth as truly sentient beings for the most part. So yes, I can blame them for what their ancestors did, because they didn't learn anything from it. If you're going to be so stupid on a racial scale you deserve your self-inflicted genocide.

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I always felt bad for the Geth and always preferred them over the Quarians. Don't get me wrong, I love Tali, but aside from Admiral Koris, all of those idiots in power are unfeeling zealots who want to progress the conflict with the Geth one way or another that their ancestors started (granted, this is before/if you are unable to forge peace between them).

Though I agree with earlier posters, I cannot hold the current race of Quarians responsible for the actions of their ancestors. But I can still acknowledge the fact that many of those with significant influence in the civilization are looking to perpetuate just what it was that so disgusted me about their predecessors.


Well when you're born into SUCH animosity, into thinking the Geth are literally the devil, it's really hard to change your point of view. I think the war mongering ones are what is to be expected, and those who desire peace are going incredibly far beyond the norm in their capacity for peace. Most of us, brought up into such ideals, would likely want war as well.

I agree with you, which is why I will always favor peace, because the Quarians are much a product of the circumstances into which they were born, and, as with the Krogan and the Rachni, I will always continue to believe in redemption.

But, given the OP and if I had to choose between the two, yeah, the Geth would get my vote. I just can't condemn so innocent a race at the behest of their spurned creators.

But lucky for the suitwalkers, I believe in second chances. :whistle:

EDITED: Just to clarify, I sympathize with the Krogan millions of lightyears more than I do with the Quarians (and probably the Rachni, too, if I knew more about them) because they did not create the constructs that dictated their negatively repercussive actions. The Quarians knew what they were doing, they were well aware of the extent they were taking their research, and when faced with the ugly truth that they tried to play God, willingly chose to destroy their 'children,' if you will, because of the guilt that came with the responsibility (almost similar to the Salarians and the Krogan...though Mordin more than redeemed himself).


Well the Krogan are their OWN downfall, which I think is possibly worse. They ddidn't HAVE to take over other worlds after the Rachni wars. Just as we fight our nature to some extent, and aren't constantly warring tribes (well, not as much as we could be) the Krogan should have fought their own nature. Or, you know, listened to the females.

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Well uploading the code was apparently the good option, so if I didn't unite them I would be forced to click it.

Now if I had to click it, they could of at least let me grasp Tali's leg with the Paragon interrupt, where she screams for Sheperd to let her go and that she has nothing left for her now as she free floats off the cliff. If you had her as a LI in the previous game that would give you the option of saying but you have me, she rebuttals something about how you just killed her people.

Then have the Prime walk up and help pull her up where it says not all of them, stating that the Geth stopped firing on disabled or surrendered vessels and any drifting escape pods.

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sirisaacx wrote...

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This is an interesting notion, and yes, humanity might live to extinction under these circumstances. However, organic life is eventually going to be detrimental to progress and efficiency. It is hard to control. Therefore, EVENTUALLY, through expansion, synthetics will wipe out all life.


How so? If they are all about efficiency, why bother with something so beneath them? Why would such an advanced race of things bother spending the immense amounts of energy required to hunt down and kill every organic in existance.........for no gain other than.......what was the gain again? Why would such an advanced thing care if a microbe on a planet across the galaxy was "hard to control"?

That is like ants getting into my kitchen, and me deciding the only way to efficiently get the ants out of my sugar bowl is to fly to the Amazon jungle and exterminate every ant there.

I can't see it:) Once the machine god things got that big, we'd just be a tiny world within the world(galaxy), beneath their notice, free to live out our lives oblivious to the machine gods in the sky.


I would think in order for the Reapers' solution to hold water that they would ultimately be concerned about the ensuing fight between organics and synthetics wiping out all sentient life across the board. The type of tech between dark matter/stuff Tali's discovered on Haelstrom, the crucible, etc. that intelligent life whether organic or synthetic will eventually posses the means to destroy galaxies, and ultimately existence period, in the same sense of a kid finding his dad's gun and shooting himself or a friend, etc.

This is incredibly interesting! Analogous to the dillema we have involving nukes today, only the consequences from one rash act would be the destruction of the universe, not the earth. Perhaps no intellicence SHOULD be allowed to grow that advanced.


Maybe they just beat down the organics because we're historically the first ones to use something rashly (ahem Quarians, Salarians, etc). They tend to be able to repurpose the synthetics a lot easier, so perhaps that's the eventuality of things, but it would've been nice to have that insight directly from Casper.

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Well uploading the code was apparently the good option, so if I didn't unite them I would be forced to click it.

Now if I had to click it, they could of at least let me grasp Tali's leg with the Paragon interrupt, where she screams for Sheperd to let her go and that she has nothing left for her now as she free floats off the cliff. If you had her as a LI in the previous game that would give you the option of saying but you have me, she rebuttals something about how you just killed her people.

Then have the Prime walk up and help pull her up where it says not all of them, stating that the Geth stopped firing on disabled or surrendered vessels and any drifting escape pods.


Haha love is NOT enough to forgive someone for the genocide of your people. If I were tali I'd just kill myself later on the Normandy or something. I like the binary choice. It's all or nothing, for either race. Makes the choice a lot harder and more potent.

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I didn't really care about the Geth. As intelligent as they might be, they are just machines - a tool for a purpose - that got out of hand.
The Quarians became a dying race, extremely vulnerable to disease because of them living on space ships instead of their home planet. It's their homeworld, they are biologically tied to it. The Geth don't have rights over it and they don't even need it to survive.
The only reason I decided not to destroy them entirely was because I needed them as cannon fodder for the war.

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Morse wrote...

sirisaacx wrote...

Morse wrote...

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This is an interesting notion, and yes, humanity might live to extinction under these circumstances. However, organic life is eventually going to be detrimental to progress and efficiency. It is hard to control. Therefore, EVENTUALLY, through expansion, synthetics will wipe out all life.


How so? If they are all about efficiency, why bother with something so beneath them? Why would such an advanced race of things bother spending the immense amounts of energy required to hunt down and kill every organic in existance.........for no gain other than.......what was the gain again? Why would such an advanced thing care if a microbe on a planet across the galaxy was "hard to control"?

That is like ants getting into my kitchen, and me deciding the only way to efficiently get the ants out of my sugar bowl is to fly to the Amazon jungle and exterminate every ant there.

I can't see it:) Once the machine god things got that big, we'd just be a tiny world within the world(galaxy), beneath their notice, free to live out our lives oblivious to the machine gods in the sky.


I would think in order for the Reapers' solution to hold water that they would ultimately be concerned about the ensuing fight between organics and synthetics wiping out all sentient life across the board. The type of tech between dark matter/stuff Tali's discovered on Haelstrom, the crucible, etc. that intelligent life whether organic or synthetic will eventually posses the means to destroy galaxies, and ultimately existence period, in the same sense of a kid finding his dad's gun and shooting himself or a friend, etc.

This is incredibly interesting! Analogous to the dillema we have involving nukes today, only the consequences from one rash act would be the destruction of the universe, not the earth. Perhaps no intellicence SHOULD be allowed to grow that advanced.


Maybe they just beat down the organics because we're historically the first ones to use something rashly (ahem Quarians, Salarians, etc). They tend to be able to repurpose the synthetics a lot easier, so perhaps that's the eventuality of things, but it would've been nice to have that insight directly from Casper.

Well yeah, Casper sucks, no one's arguing that. xD But the reapers tend to be very invested in keeping synthetics alive (for some reason?) One wonders why an AI wouldn't eventually come to the conclusion that organics aren't worth saving. Hell, if humanity was to die, and I had no more self preservation instinct regarding that, my first move would be to let the synthetics have at it. They'd do better than organics ever will.

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At no point did the quarians ever attempt to sue for peace in the 300 years since the Morning War. Hell, they still don't even treat the Geth as truly sentient beings for the most part. So yes, I can blame them for what their ancestors did, because they didn't learn anything from it. If you're going to be so stupid on a racial scale you deserve your self-inflicted genocide.


ummm the GETH never attempted to make peace and the only contact anyone has had with them is through the heretics. Remember ME1? How can you blame anyone for not trying to contact the geth? If anything, the geth should have said `` Oh, those are heretics, not us, so dont get the wrong  idea.`` Instead, you blame millions of innocent people? Ya, Im sure children had a say in politics.

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sirisaacx wrote...

Billabong2011 wrote...

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I always felt bad for the Geth and always preferred them over the Quarians. Don't get me wrong, I love Tali, but aside from Admiral Koris, all of those idiots in power are unfeeling zealots who want to progress the conflict with the Geth one way or another that their ancestors started (granted, this is before/if you are unable to forge peace between them).

Though I agree with earlier posters, I cannot hold the current race of Quarians responsible for the actions of their ancestors. But I can still acknowledge the fact that many of those with significant influence in the civilization are looking to perpetuate just what it was that so disgusted me about their predecessors.


Well when you're born into SUCH animosity, into thinking the Geth are literally the devil, it's really hard to change your point of view. I think the war mongering ones are what is to be expected, and those who desire peace are going incredibly far beyond the norm in their capacity for peace. Most of us, brought up into such ideals, would likely want war as well.

I agree with you, which is why I will always favor peace, because the Quarians are much a product of the circumstances into which they were born, and, as with the Krogan and the Rachni, I will always continue to believe in redemption.

But, given the OP and if I had to choose between the two, yeah, the Geth would get my vote. I just can't condemn so innocent a race at the behest of their spurned creators.

But lucky for the suitwalkers, I believe in second chances. :whistle:

EDITED: Just to clarify, I sympathize with the Krogan millions of lightyears more than I do with the Quarians (and probably the Rachni, too, if I knew more about them) because they did not create the constructs that dictated their negatively repercussive actions. The Quarians knew what they were doing, they were well aware of the extent they were taking their research, and when faced with the ugly truth that they tried to play God, willingly chose to destroy their 'children,' if you will, because of the guilt that came with the responsibility (almost similar to the Salarians and the Krogan...though Mordin more than redeemed himself).


Well the Krogan are their OWN downfall, which I think is possibly worse. They ddidn't HAVE to take over other worlds after the Rachni wars. Just as we fight our nature to some extent, and aren't constantly warring tribes (well, not as much as we could be) the Krogan should have fought their own nature. Or, you know, listened to the females.

Might you have forgotten the fact that their own planet had been decimated because of the technology the Salarians gave them? It was pretty much equivalent to giving a child a loaded gun, 'go on, son, go out and play!' So I can understand why they'd seek out new worlds -- I understand your point in that they were completely aggressive and hostile about it, and violent, as is their nature, but, again, this was not a self-created situation. Of course I hold the Krogan responsible for their actions, but those actions were ULTIMATELY reactions to extenuating circumstances, whereas the Quarians were the initial action from the getgo. If you want to look at anyone 'being their OWN downfall,' it would be the Quarians.

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I thought the geth would be worth all the other war assets combined. I mean, every single platform is combat ready(billions). They have the largest fleet. Unparalleled communication abilities. Why am I bothering with the quarians?

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Olueq wrote...

fafnir magnus wrote...

At no point did the quarians ever attempt to sue for peace in the 300 years since the Morning War. Hell, they still don't even treat the Geth as truly sentient beings for the most part. So yes, I can blame them for what their ancestors did, because they didn't learn anything from it. If you're going to be so stupid on a racial scale you deserve your self-inflicted genocide.


ummm the GETH never attempted to make peace and the only contact anyone has had with them is through the heretics. Remember ME1? How can you blame anyone for not trying to contact the geth? If anything, the geth should have said `` Oh, those are heretics, not us, so dont get the wrong  idea.`` Instead, you blame millions of innocent people? Ya, Im sure children had a say in politics.

Not disagreeing with you, but based on the virtual reality mission, we learned that the Geth's 'creator' had programmed in them the highest priority to be self-preservation -- venturing outside the veil to pursue peace would directly countermand that order, I think.

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Billabong2011 wrote...

sirisaacx wrote...

Billabong2011 wrote...

sirisaacx wrote...

Billabong2011 wrote...

I always felt bad for the Geth and always preferred them over the Quarians. Don't get me wrong, I love Tali, but aside from Admiral Koris, all of those idiots in power are unfeeling zealots who want to progress the conflict with the Geth one way or another that their ancestors started (granted, this is before/if you are unable to forge peace between them).

Though I agree with earlier posters, I cannot hold the current race of Quarians responsible for the actions of their ancestors. But I can still acknowledge the fact that many of those with significant influence in the civilization are looking to perpetuate just what it was that so disgusted me about their predecessors.


Well when you're born into SUCH animosity, into thinking the Geth are literally the devil, it's really hard to change your point of view. I think the war mongering ones are what is to be expected, and those who desire peace are going incredibly far beyond the norm in their capacity for peace. Most of us, brought up into such ideals, would likely want war as well.

I agree with you, which is why I will always favor peace, because the Quarians are much a product of the circumstances into which they were born, and, as with the Krogan and the Rachni, I will always continue to believe in redemption.

But, given the OP and if I had to choose between the two, yeah, the Geth would get my vote. I just can't condemn so innocent a race at the behest of their spurned creators.

But lucky for the suitwalkers, I believe in second chances. :whistle:

EDITED: Just to clarify, I sympathize with the Krogan millions of lightyears more than I do with the Quarians (and probably the Rachni, too, if I knew more about them) because they did not create the constructs that dictated their negatively repercussive actions. The Quarians knew what they were doing, they were well aware of the extent they were taking their research, and when faced with the ugly truth that they tried to play God, willingly chose to destroy their 'children,' if you will, because of the guilt that came with the responsibility (almost similar to the Salarians and the Krogan...though Mordin more than redeemed himself).


Well the Krogan are their OWN downfall, which I think is possibly worse. They ddidn't HAVE to take over other worlds after the Rachni wars. Just as we fight our nature to some extent, and aren't constantly warring tribes (well, not as much as we could be) the Krogan should have fought their own nature. Or, you know, listened to the females.

Might you have forgotten the fact that their own planet had been decimated because of the technology the Salarians gave them? It was pretty much equivalent to giving a child a loaded gun, 'go on, son, go out and play!' So I can understand why they'd seek out new worlds -- I understand your point in that they were completely aggressive and hostile about it, and violent, as is their nature, but, again, this was not a self-created situation. Of course I hold the Krogan responsible for their actions, but those actions were ULTIMATELY reactions to extenuating circumstances, whereas the Quarians were the initial action from the getgo. If you want to look at anyone 'being their OWN downfall,' it would be the Quarians.

True, the Salarians REALLY ruined their progression. The Krogan were not ready for that kind of technological power. But the Krogans did nuke themselves into a nuclear winter. They're a pretty flawed species, even without Salarian intervention. True, they might have worked out their issues. But are all races really even WORTHY of survival? I'dventure so far as to say perhaps the Krogan are not.

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Olueq wrote...

fafnir magnus wrote...

At no point did the quarians ever attempt to sue for peace in the 300 years since the Morning War. Hell, they still don't even treat the Geth as truly sentient beings for the most part. So yes, I can blame them for what their ancestors did, because they didn't learn anything from it. If you're going to be so stupid on a racial scale you deserve your self-inflicted genocide.


ummm the GETH never attempted to make peace and the only contact anyone has had with them is through the heretics. Remember ME1? How can you blame anyone for not trying to contact the geth? If anything, the geth should have said `` Oh, those are heretics, not us, so dont get the wrong  idea.`` Instead, you blame millions of innocent people? Ya, Im sure children had a say in politics.


Bring Legion onto the Flotilla in ME2; the conversations the admirals have with Legion make them look like absolute smacktards for attacking Rannoch afterward.

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I thought the geth would be worth all the other war assets combined. I mean, every single platform is combat ready(billions). They have the largest fleet. Unparalleled communication abilities. Why am I bothering with the quarians?

because you would be killing millions of innocent people? Honestly, how can you say that? Do people ever stop to think of their actions?

Not to mention the geth have proven so many times in the past that they are succeptible to being brain washed, and not just from the reapers. The also have a bad habit of joining the reapers, especially at times where they are losing. Whos to say they dont just turn on you in the final confrontation?

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I think the geth are utterly terrifying and I would kill them all in a heartbeat if I had the chance. Not that I don't think they're sympathetic, but any race capable of IMPROVING their own intelligence would eventually become so advanced that our intellect would be like that of an ant to them. So far below us we don't even consider the emotional response they'd have when we destroy their entire colonies with poison, just because them living is inconvenient to us.


Nice argument for human extinction. Your forgetting that we humans are also constantly improving our intelligence, a human today has significantly greater potential than those that have come before. In addition, how many of us humans consider the feelings of a gopher colony before we gas the tunnels. 
How many of us feel anything for more than a week when our government announces they blew up some innocent civilians along side a single terrorist. 

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Morse wrote...

Olueq wrote...

fafnir magnus wrote...

At no point did the quarians ever attempt to sue for peace in the 300 years since the Morning War. Hell, they still don't even treat the Geth as truly sentient beings for the most part. So yes, I can blame them for what their ancestors did, because they didn't learn anything from it. If you're going to be so stupid on a racial scale you deserve your self-inflicted genocide.


ummm the GETH never attempted to make peace and the only contact anyone has had with them is through the heretics. Remember ME1? How can you blame anyone for not trying to contact the geth? If anything, the geth should have said `` Oh, those are heretics, not us, so dont get the wrong  idea.`` Instead, you blame millions of innocent people? Ya, Im sure children had a say in politics.


Bring Legion onto the Flotilla in ME2; the conversations the admirals have with Legion make them look like absolute smacktards for attacking Rannoch afterward.

No, it doesnt. Going by the word of ONE geth is stupid. Even then, that was clearly an oversight in ME3.

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I thought the geth would be worth all the other war assets combined. I mean, every single platform is combat ready(billions). They have the largest fleet. Unparalleled communication abilities. Why am I bothering with the quarians?


Operation Flotilla-First; Gerrel and Xen apparently can't resist a swan dive into oblivion.

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I always kinda felt bad for the Geth. Their choices always seemed extremely logical to me, so I never faulted them for it.

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Haha love is NOT enough to forgive someone for the genocide of your people. If I were tali I'd just kill myself later on the Normandy or something. I like the binary choice. It's all or nothing, for either race. Makes the choice a lot harder and more potent.


Shhhhh, leave me with me idiocies. :innocent:

I saved them both anyway so it doesn't matter. :P

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sirisaacx wrote...

I think the geth are utterly terrifying and I would kill them all in a heartbeat if I had the chance. Not that I don't think they're sympathetic, but any race capable of IMPROVING their own intelligence would eventually become so advanced that our intellect would be like that of an ant to them. So far below us we don't even consider the emotional response they'd have when we destroy their entire colonies with poison, just because them living is inconvenient to us.


Nice argument for human extinction. Your forgetting that we humans are also constantly improving our intelligence, a human today has significantly greater potential than those that have come before. In addition, how many of us humans consider the feelings of a gopher colony before we gas the tunnels. 

Incorrect. Our IQ's today are all but unchanged from those 4000 years ago. The only difference is we now have previous information to base new discoveries on. So our KNOWLEDGE is improving, but our IQ's are staying fairly level. The Geth, however, can not only improve their IQ, but do it much faster than even the most rapid methods of evolution. 

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Billabong2011 wrote...

Olueq wrote...

fafnir magnus wrote...

At no point did the quarians ever attempt to sue for peace in the 300 years since the Morning War. Hell, they still don't even treat the Geth as truly sentient beings for the most part. So yes, I can blame them for what their ancestors did, because they didn't learn anything from it. If you're going to be so stupid on a racial scale you deserve your self-inflicted genocide.


ummm the GETH never attempted to make peace and the only contact anyone has had with them is through the heretics. Remember ME1? How can you blame anyone for not trying to contact the geth? If anything, the geth should have said `` Oh, those are heretics, not us, so dont get the wrong  idea.`` Instead, you blame millions of innocent people? Ya, Im sure children had a say in politics.

Not disagreeing with you, but based on the virtual reality mission, we learned that the Geth's 'creator' had programmed in them the highest priority to be self-preservation -- venturing outside the veil to pursue peace would directly countermand that order, I think.

going by that logic, they should have attemptedd to make peace so they wouldnt be seen as a threat. Legion is proof that they thought of this to some extent. However, Legion was only ONE geth and he was only assigned to find shepard and that was only after shepard killed saren.