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[1bloodyrogue]

So I know I'm gonna grab Assasin it just sounds to cool to pass up.  Yet I'm wondering which is more useful between the other three.  HELP!  lol  thanks

[Dude1011]

Assasin and duelist are preety good but if your a DW rouge with momentum, bard and assasin may be better.

[metatrans]

for a backstabber, Assassin is mandatory for its exploit weakness talent.



duelist is generically useful. the most useful part of duelist is its passive +1 damage per attack though. that adds up to alot with your backstab bonuses and fast attack rate with dual daggers. the first duelist ability (Dueling mode) which adds attack rating is good too.



bard is another good choice for a backstabber. the third song in particular (Song of Courage) will give you an excellent melee damage buff due to the high cunning a backstab rogue usually has.

[Tonya777]

Bard/Assassin

[snow0815]

If the bard AOE stun works as well on mobs as it worked on my party when killing Marjolaine bard might be very worthwhile taking.

[Vizkos]

I personally like assassin/ranger. The creature summoned by ranger acts as a tank/additional party member, while the rogue gets backstabs.

[Alneverus]

Depends on your play style really. I prefer a backstabber so go with the Assassin/Duelist combo for the increase in attack, but never have really cared for momentum.



The main reason is just due to having counter measures and other skills available. But that is more of a personal choice than anything.

[snow0815]

Prosthetics511 wrote...

I personally like assassin/ranger. The creature summoned by ranger acts as a tank/additional party member, while the rogue gets backstabs.

How did you get your hands on the Ostagar armor already?

[nuculerman]

snow0815 wrote...

If the bard AOE stun works as well on mobs as it worked on my party when killing Marjolaine bard might be very worthwhile taking.

Was that a glitch?  Because  I've never levelled up Lelianna all the way so I wouldn't know.  But when I fought Marjolie she basically just stood on one position, singing, and stunning everyone in my party ever 5 seconds... for about 6 minutes straight.  It was incredibly annoying.

[snow0815]

nuculerman wrote...

snow0815 wrote...

If the bard AOE stun works as well on mobs as it worked on my party when killing Marjolaine bard might be very worthwhile taking.

Was that a glitch?  Because  I've never levelled up Lelianna all the way so I wouldn't know.  But when I fought Marjolie she basically just stood on one position, singing, and stunning everyone in my party ever 5 seconds... for about 6 minutes straight.  It was incredibly annoying.

Not sure, have yet to play a bard or work on Lel's songs. Marjolaine was extremely good at stunning though, basically an AOE version of the mage stun minus dmg. Didn't help that her 4 goons beat and cast on my helpless party, too. Good thing the AI isn't terribly bright without line of sight...

[Silensfurtim]

Assassin/Duelist - for dex rogues, swashbuckler types



Since pure Dex rogues will have little benefit from CUN talents like Exploit Weakness and Tainted Blade, as well as low AP, Pinpoint striking will make up for the damage.



Assassin/Bard - for backstabber rogues



Pure CUN rogues will benefit from Song of Courage. it will give bonus to attack rating, damage and melee critical chance.

[Timortis]

The AoE bard stun is awesome when you use Leliana to do it, but it's useless for a backstabbing Rogue because you can't move or do anything else when you activate it. You have to have someone else do it.

[Silensfurtim]

yep. i let Leliana use it during close-quarter fights. insta backstabs for my main backstabber.

[Vizkos]

snow0815 wrote...

Prosthetics511 wrote...

I personally like assassin/ranger. The creature summoned by ranger acts as a tank/additional party member, while the rogue gets backstabs.

How did you get your hands on the Ostagar armor already?

A mod 

Its simple really.  Massive Armor variant 4 I think with the gold texture = king cailin's armor.  The rest are the coorosponding parts.  Didn't relaly occur to me that it looks the same as the upcoming DLC armor until yesterday

Got it from here since I was too lazy to make myself :
http://www.dragonage...file.php?id=190

[Inarai]

Bard/Ranger with an Archer talent setup makes for a respectable fire-support unit.

[Vaylor66]

All 4 rogue specs are actually pretty good. Sometimes one spec won't be quite as good as another, depending on how you're building your char. But overall you can't really screw up with anything other than assassin spec on a bow char. Assassin and duelist are both very good for straight up fighting. Bard spec is very good for assisting, that stun is basically perma stun for anything close to whoever is using it. And the ranger pets are pretty good. A 500 hp bear running around stunning things and tanking isn't too bad.

[snow0815]

Prosthetics511 wrote...

A mod 

Its simple really.  Massive Armor variant 4 I think with the gold texture = king cailin's armor.  The rest are the coorosponding parts.  Didn't relaly occur to me that it looks the same as the upcoming DLC armor until yesterday

Got it from here since I was too lazy to make myself :
http://www.dragonage...file.php?id=190

Thought as much as it lacks tooltips, but wanted to make sure.

[BooPi]

Do the duelist abilities work with a ranged weapon? I haven't tried it yet, but it would be sweet to get 15 seconds of ranged criticals.

[Riot Inducer]

BooPi wrote...

Do the duelist abilities work with a ranged weapon? I haven't tried it yet, but it would be sweet to get 15 seconds of ranged criticals.

I believe they do work with ranged weps, minus the "upset balance" move. although I could be wrong on either point. But dueling mode should work at least as it's just a buff to attack scores

[Twenynge]

It depends on your build, but both duelist and bard are great with assassin. I have a feeling that once people start investigating the engine more, the Ranger specialization will be seen as the most powerful spec. The pets do great damage, most likely more than the duelist and bard can add to the party, and have additional benefits/abilities beyond pure damage...

Recommend bard if your party is heavy melee, duelist if you are running with a lot of mages or you are stamina limited...

Modifié par Twenynge, 03 décembre 2009 - 06:55 .

[MarcAntony]

Couple questions:



I have a DW Rogue as my PC. I’ve been following Disco’s guide to Cunning Dagger/Dagger build for max dps. I typically play with 1 Mage, 1 DW Rogue, Leilana Archer, & Allistair Tank.



But I am definitely getting the feel that Ranger Spec should definitely be utilized on one of the Rogues. My first question is regarding Ranger pet scaling. Do the pets, say the Bear, scale with the Ranger’s stats? Like if the Ranger was a Cunning Dagger/Dagger Rogue, would the pet be less powerful than if the Ranger had been pumping strength or Dexterity?



If not, then I can make Leilana a Cunning+LongBow Bard/Ranger and leave my DW Rogue to follow the Dagger/Dagger Cunning build, getting the best of both worlds with Leilana providing a huge cunning-based Bard buff & the pet.

[IoneWanderer101]

 I like backstabbing and archery, would you guys recommend that I go with assassin for exploit weakness to get a damage buff and bard so i can hold them in place while i shoot them? Or assassin and ranger so that i can exploit weakness to get a damage buff and call a creature to tank while i sneak up and backstab, or shoot them?

Modifié par IoneWanderer101, 05 juin 2010 - 09:32 .

[MindYerBeak]

If you're a Cunning blighter then you need Bard for the song to convert cunning to strength. If you have a Blood Mage in your team then Ranger would be the better choice, since the bear can be used to replace the BM's stamina. That way you'd have a bear and converted enemies tanking for you. Those that fail to convert get deaded.

Modifié par MindYerBeak, 06 juin 2010 - 03:03 .

[Astranagant]

I used to go with Assassin/Duelist but then I discovered that the Bard's Song of Courage effect stacks. So now I say Assassin/Bard.

Modifié par Astranagant, 06 juin 2010 - 04:50 .

[soteria]

I like backstabbing and archery, would you guys recommend that I go with assassin for exploit weakness to get a damage buff and bard so i can hold them in place while i shoot them? Or assassin and ranger so that i can exploit weakness to get a damage buff and call a creature to tank while i sneak up and backstab, or shoot them?

I recommend you pick one or the other and focus on that. Assassin is mostly useless to an archer, fyi, but is great for a backstabbing rogue. Any of the other specs will work great, and in terms of damage output I'd rank them ranger > bard > duelist. For an archer, ranger/bard seems logical, but the sustains will suck up almost all your stamina.