282 réponses à ce sujet

[RenascentAnt1]

The link: http://adage.com/art...-ending/233848/

The comment: 

At a recent panel about video games as art, Paul Barnett, senior
creative director at BioWare Mythic, another one of EA's game
developers, was asked about the controversy.



"If computer games are art, than I fully endorse the author of the
artwork to have a statement about what they believe should happen," Mr.
Barnett said, according to a video posted on the site of tech-news
publication The Verge. "Just as J.K. Rowling can end her books and say,
"That is the end of Harry Potter.' I don't think she should be forced to
make another one," Mr. Barnett said.



Mr. Nichols said that what stood out for him was the response from the
Retake blogger about making sure BioWare "gets it right."



"It's the difference between wanting the ending to be changed to be
something consistent with the narrative ... to something specific," he
said. "It changes their tone from concerned fans to a list of demands."



No matter what it does, BioWare won't please everybody, Mr. Nichols
said, adding "I wonder if the "Retake Mass Effect' fans are prepared for
that or whether they will burn out their own cause."



Just for clarifications, Bioware Mythic is part of EA, and Muzyka is the Group General Manager: http://en.wikipedia....c_Entertainment

Modifié par RenascentAnt1, 02 avril 2012 - 06:39 .

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Not surprising, he should note the current ending is certainly NOT consistent with the narrative of anything in ME.

[Dreogan]

JK Rowling is a damn good storyteller. To even compare Bioware's craft to Rowling is metaphorically spitting in her face.

Modifié par Dreogan, 02 avril 2012 - 06:41 .

[Phydeaux314]

Well... let's be fair. The writing in mass effect IS really good, with a couple of exceptions. If it was terrible, we wouldn't care about it so much.

[Foulpancake]

Considering they are 110% clueless, JK rowling changed the end of Harry Potter, she was originally going to have Harry die, but fan response was very negative so she changed it before the release.

Too bad they didn't do a lick of research or even have any clue what they were talking about....

[Greed1914]

1.From what I've heard, Rowling didn't kill Harry because so many asked her not to do that. Not sure it's a good example for them to use.   I could just as easily throw in Doyle and Dickens in there for counter-examples.  This isn't as unprecedented or an assault on art like they seem to think.

2. Wanting it changed to something consistent with the narrative is exactly what most are asking for.   That's really been one of the consistent things regardless of which retaker you ask.

3. Of course it won't please everybody, but right now it has displeased a whole lot. We've let them know what we'd like to see and why we didn't like what is there, so it's up to them now.

Modifié par Greed1914, 02 avril 2012 - 06:46 .

[ticklefist]

Wait. He's back with Mythic? They actually took him back?

Modifié par ticklefist, 02 avril 2012 - 06:45 .

[Zulmoka531]

Author's and artists have the right to do what ever they please. But they also have to take the criticism that comes with it.

They don't have to do a damn thing to these endings, but then they need to brace the repercussion of such. As we see now, it's not going so well for them.

[Jawsomebob]

Dreogan wrote...

JK Rowling is a damn good storyteller. To even compare Bioware's craft to Rowling is metaphorically spitting in her face.

J.K rowlings ending of harry potter was probably an 8/10 it was not perfect but it was good. Very good.

Biowares ending was probably a 4 out 10....

[The Angry One]

"You can't please everyone, so let's settle for pleasing the absolute minimum amount of people!"

I don't get this argument.

[dkear1]

More hiding behind the word "art" instead of admitting they wrote a horrible ending. Fess up, change it and move on already!

[Catroi]

Foulpancake wrote...

Considering they are 110% clueless, JK rowling changed the end of Harry Potter, she was originally going to have Harry die, but fan response was very negative so she changed it before the release.

Too bad they didn't do a lick of research or even have any clue what they were talking about....

[Mr Deathbot]

The thing is when your reading a book your reading about someone elses story in mass effect Shepard's story is your story, Mass Effect basically is as much the player's story as it is the developer's. If Bioware wants to take away that away from us and make Shepard's story their story they shouldn't have made it and RPG in the first place.

Modifié par Mr Deathbot, 02 avril 2012 - 06:49 .

[Dreogan]

The more I consider their statement, the more I consider what they said could very well be an attack on specific requests to fix the ending. Such as "implement indoctrination" or "add a happy ending."

I can actually support that. However, they do seem to be saying this in response to fans demanding Bioware "get it right."

And oh yes, you bet your ass I'm asking Bioware to get it right -- to make their ending make sense. Fix it. I don't care how, just fix it.

BUT! In the very possible chance they were misquoted, if they were referring to fans making specific requests on how to fix the ending, I can support what they said.

[mebtru]

I wonder how the Harry Potter fans, would react if in the end Voldemort is just a peon and some random character appears and tell harry potter that he must destroy all the magic just because he was controlling Voldemort. lolololololol

[Greed1914]

The Angry One wrote...

"You can't please everyone, so let's settle for pleasing the absolute minimum amount of people!"

I don't get this argument.

Me neither.  That's something that just sticks with me on all this.  That ending felt like it achieved the minimum.  The Reapers were beaten, which was a given, and we got three "different" endings that recycled the same footage.  The reason I came to be such a fan of Bioware's games is because they went far beyond the minimum.

[SouperTrooper]

they keep ignoring the fact that the ending was technically flawed. As a work of art it was unfinished. As a piece of writing it was badly done, especially in contrast to the rest of the game. I wish these guys could just be upfront and admit that mistakes were for a change instead of hunkering down in some bunker with a all for one mentality.

[Mr Deathbot]

The Angry One wrote...

"You can't please everyone, so let's settle for pleasing the absolute minimum amount of people!"

I don't get this argument.

I don't get Bioware.

[Dreogan]

The Angry One wrote...

"You can't please everyone, so let's settle for pleasing the absolute minimum amount of people!"

I don't get this argument.

This is known as the "Pleasure of the Titanic" strategy.

[The Angry One]

mebtru wrote...

I wonder how the Harry Potter fans, would react if in the end Voldemort is just a peon and some random character appears and tell harry potter that he must destroy all the magic just because he was controlling Voldemort. lolololololol

Everyone would praise her artistic integrity.
Wait, no. Her fans would call her out on it. Because it would be stupid. Fortunately for them, she is not stupid.

[NikitaDarkstar]

*sigh* Honestly, I'm having issues taking any site that says we want a "happy ending" seriously. (Heck I have issues taking any fan seriously who says they want a happy ending? If you expected one of those you were playing the wrong game.)
But no, they won't be able to please everyone, most people realize that, but it's not to much to ask that they keep their story-telling quality consistent throughout the game and don't go breaking the rules for their own universe at the very end of the game.

And I really do wish they would stop trying to compare themselves to established writers (especially established writers who aren't even from their own genre.). it's not like they have more in common with an author than they have with a movie director. Actually they have more in common with a movie director since they're far more commercially focused than the author will ever be, and there is far bigger teams involved in both movies and games than there are in a book. But I suppose then they wouldn't be able to hide behind "artistic integrity" as easily since everyone knows movies change depending on test-audience results. Books aren't quite so prone to changing due to reader input, even if it's not completely unheard of. (And authors do tend to have test or beta-readers anyway.)

[BobbyDylan]

Fundemental differance between art and a comercial product: Art exists for it's own sake, where a commercial product exists to be sold. I'll start calling ME3 art, when EA start giving it away for free.

If (at it's basic description) ME3 is art, than we, the fans, are the patrons of this art. Just as I pay the photographer at my wedding to take artsy photo's, I'd have the write as a paying customer to complain that all of his pics are of my sisters arse and his left bollock.

[The Angry One]

There's nothing wrong with having the option for a happy ending, you know.
There's a ton of death and destruction in the game. Even the worst circumstances can have a happy ending.

[Apathy1989]

Foulpancake wrote...

Considering they are 110% clueless, JK rowling changed the end of Harry Potter, she was originally going to have Harry die, but fan response was very negative so she changed it before the release.

Too bad they didn't do a lick of research or even have any clue what they were talking about....

lol. 

[Zulmoka531]

The Angry One wrote...

There's nothing wrong with having the option for a happy ending, you know.
There's a ton of death and destruction in the game. Even the worst circumstances can have a happy ending.

But..but "happy endings" are too mainstream! And thus cannot be considred art!
What would the world think?!?! Where would all the speculations go!?!