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[Pee Jae]

I really, really wish they'd stop comparing this to books or films. This is a video game. We are the protagonist. An active participant in the universe they created. We're not passive observers of a book or film.

[phat0817]

Hahahaha jds1bio very true

[Creston918]

So, another paid EA stooge says that fans should just shut the hell up.

Btw, yes, Rowlins is perfectly entitled to end Harry Potter where she left it. That's mostly because

A) Harry Potter's ending made sense and was consistent with the rest of the series.
 She did not come up with a SPACE MAGIC KID TROLOLOLOL in the last five minutes of the series.
and
C) It's not a piece of interactive media that's been hyped to "Have endings completely tailored to what YOU did in the series!"

It's convenient how paid EA stooges seem to forget that both Sir Arthur Conan Doyle AND Agathie Christie continued writing about characters after massive fan disappointment about them killing (Holmes) / wanting to kill (Poirot) off their main characters.

Of course, everybody at EA lies, it's probably part of the contract they make you sign, so this comes as no surprise whatsoever.

Finally, last time I looked, you couldn't take something you made yourself and pre-emptively call it 'Art', then tell everyone to stop critizing it. In order for something to BE art, it has to basically have no purpose beyond being art and it HAS to be open to criticism. That's the whole damn POINT of Art.

Maybe we can invent a new type of Art. We'll call it "EAware-Art" and the only thing you can do when you view / partake of it is to effusively praise its creators, then pull out your wallet and buy DLC. In fact, if you could be so kind and just set up automatic billing for EA, they'd much appreciate it.

Modifié par Creston918, 02 avril 2012 - 05:46 .

[Persephone]

Dreogan wrote...

JK Rowling is a damn good storyteller. To even compare Bioware's craft to Rowling is metaphorically spitting in her face.

I'm a HP fan but Bioware's craft outclasses JKR in everything that matters.

[Persephone]

goose2989 wrote...

I laughed a bit when I saw he referred to JK Rowling. From what I understand, she wanted Harry to die fighting Voldemort, but fans didn't. And, what do you know, Harry lives a happily ever after life with Ginny

Man, did I ever LOATHE that saccharine epilogue. Blech.

[robertm2]

RenascentAnt1 wrote...


"It's the difference between wanting the ending to be changed to be
something consistent with the narrative ... to something specific," he
said. "It changes their tone from concerned fans to a list of demands."

which is exactly why they shouldnt change the ending at all. the only way to please those people is to do EXACTLY what they want there shepard to do which is nothing like the next persons game or the person after that.  just add some clarification and if people dont like it they can play something else. no other video game company would even bother they would just sit back count the cash they made and if worse came to worse start a new company with the same people. 

[dkear1]

Creston918 wrote...

So, another paid EA stooge says that fans should just shut the hell up.

Btw, yes, Rowlins is perfectly entitled to end Harry Potter where she left it. That's mostly because

A) Harry Potter's ending made sense and was consistent with the rest of the series.
 She did not come up with a SPACE MAGIC KID TROLOLOLOL in the last five minutes of the series.
and
C) It's not a piece of interactive media that's been hyped to "Have endings completely tailored to what YOU did in the series!"

It's convenient how paid EA stooges seem to forget that both Sir Arthur Conan Doyle AND Agathie Christie continued writing about characters after massive fan disappointment about them killing (Holmes) / wanting to kill (Poirot) off their main characters.

Of course, everybody at EA lies, it's probably part of the contract they make you sign, so this comes as no surprise whatsoever.

Finally, last time I looked, you couldn't take something you made yourself and pre-emptively call it 'Art', then tell everyone to stop critizing it. In order for something to BE art, it has to basically have no purpose beyond being art and it HAS to be open to criticism. That's the whole damn POINT of Art.

Maybe we can invent a new type of Art. We'll call it "EAware-Art" and the only thing you can do when you view / partake of it is to effusively praise its creators, then pull out your wallet and buy DLC. In fact, if you could be so kind and just set up automatic billing for EA, they'd much appreciate it.

ROFL!!!!!!

Now this is the way you should complain!!!  Well said and kudos to you!!!! 

[Hydralysk]

Judging by that statement I don't think they realize most of those fan made endings simply come about because all Bioware has said is 'give us feedback/suggestions on the endings'. Most of us don't give a damn what Bioware would do specifically as long as we aren't forced into THEIR prefered ending despite them telling us we would have endings that run the gambit depending on how we played the games.

[dkear1]

robertm2 wrote...
which is exactly why they shouldnt change the ending at all. the only way to please those people is to do EXACTLY what they want there shepard to do which is nothing like the next persons game or the person after that.  just add some clarification and if people dont like it they can play something else. no other video game company would even bother they would just sit back count the cash they made and if worse came to worse start a new company with the same people.

WRONG!  Quite a few gaming companies have changed things.  Bethesda with Broken Steel to name just one.  This point has been made countless times.

Most folks just want an ending that doesn't involve space magic and ai-god children, they want something that makes sense.  Bioware made acceptable endings for two straight games, so they need to back to the formula that did work.

[Jeb231]

One guy comes around and support your point and some of yall act like that awkward dog that barks at anything around. The guys at Bioware aren't here to release crap games at your expense, you are focusing your anger towards the wrong people. Sometimes people screw up. Sometimes they are forced to change something because of budget, time or production issues. They can't speak about it!

At the moment we do not know what happened and the lack of communication is annoying but there ought to be a reason behind it. What about relaxing for a few days and wait for the PAX announcement.Let the writers take the feedback on and do their job. I'd argue the trilogy would probably have been better off had Bioware not been listening to BSN so much.

There is a difference between doing PR, lying willingly or making contradictory statements because they couldn't fit things in time. there are at least seven endings from the top of my mind and that's not counting the character swaps during the final cutscene.

Modifié par Jeb231, 02 avril 2012 - 06:16 .

[DadeLeviathan]

I agree with the fact that Bioware cannot create an ending that is specific. I want the ending to be something that fits the story. That supports the narrative cohesion, atmosphere and overall messages of the overarching story. The ending, as it is now, doesn't do that. If I can't have a happy ending, that's life. But I would at least like an ending that makes sense with the rest of the story.

[RenascentAnt1]

Creston918 wrote...

So, another paid EA stooge says that fans should just shut the hell up.

Btw, yes, Rowlins is perfectly entitled to end Harry Potter where she left it. That's mostly because

A) Harry Potter's ending made sense and was consistent with the rest of the series.
 She did not come up with a SPACE MAGIC KID TROLOLOLOL in the last five minutes of the series.
and
C) It's not a piece of interactive media that's been hyped to "Have endings completely tailored to what YOU did in the series!"

It's convenient how paid EA stooges seem to forget that both Sir Arthur Conan Doyle AND Agathie Christie continued writing about characters after massive fan disappointment about them killing (Holmes) / wanting to kill (Poirot) off their main characters.

Of course, everybody at EA lies, it's probably part of the contract they make you sign, so this comes as no surprise whatsoever.

Finally, last time I looked, you couldn't take something you made yourself and pre-emptively call it 'Art', then tell everyone to stop critizing it. In order for something to BE art, it has to basically have no purpose beyond being art and it HAS to be open to criticism. That's the whole damn POINT of Art.

Maybe we can invent a new type of Art. We'll call it "EAware-Art" and the only thing you can do when you view / partake of it is to effusively praise its creators, then pull out your wallet and buy DLC. In fact, if you could be so kind and just set up automatic billing for EA, they'd much appreciate it.

It should be rEApers Art

[Atraiyu Wrynn]

Whenever you read one of these statements, I recommend subbing in the word "crap" everywhere they use the word "art". It makes these kind of statements bearable.

"If computer games are crap, than I fully endorse the author of the crapwork to have a statement about what they believe should happen..."

Modifié par Atraiyu Wrynn, 02 avril 2012 - 06:30 .

[GIVic05]

This of calling video games art started few weeks ago when the Smithsonian called a few video games art. This thing have gone to Bioware head because they are showing a few pictures of the game in an art gallery.

[GeoFukari]

Creston918 wrote...

So, another paid EA stooge says that fans should just shut the hell up.

Btw, yes, Rowlins is perfectly entitled to end Harry Potter where she left it. That's mostly because

A) Harry Potter's ending made sense and was consistent with the rest of the series.
 She did not come up with a SPACE MAGIC KID TROLOLOLOL in the last five minutes of the series.
and
C) It's not a piece of interactive media that's been hyped to "Have endings completely tailored to what YOU did in the series!"

It's convenient how paid EA stooges seem to forget that both Sir Arthur Conan Doyle AND Agathie Christie continued writing about characters after massive fan disappointment about them killing (Holmes) / wanting to kill (Poirot) off their main characters.

Of course, everybody at EA lies, it's probably part of the contract they make you sign, so this comes as no surprise whatsoever.

Finally, last time I looked, you couldn't take something you made yourself and pre-emptively call it 'Art', then tell everyone to stop critizing it. In order for something to BE art, it has to basically have no purpose beyond being art and it HAS to be open to criticism. That's the whole damn POINT of Art.

Maybe we can invent a new type of Art. We'll call it "EAware-Art" and the only thing you can do when you view / partake of it is to effusively praise its creators, then pull out your wallet and buy DLC. In fact, if you could be so kind and just set up automatic billing for EA, they'd much appreciate it.

Agathie Christie.
Its good to see a well read person these days.

Maybe EA needs an encounter with a madman in a blue box to get them to think straight. <_<

[DavidMW]

Why does Bioware even bother asking us for feedback, they're just gonna' say we are trying to force them into changing their "art".

I guess by "give us feedback" they mean "Tell us how great we are". Sorry Bioware, If you cant see how flawed your ending is then all the fans praise from past games must have inflated your pride.

Bioware has a "we're right and you're wrong *fingures in ears* lalalala" mentality...

[The Night Mammoth]

robertm2 wrote...

RenascentAnt1 wrote...


"It's the difference between wanting the ending to be changed to be
something consistent with the narrative ... to something specific," he
said. "It changes their tone from concerned fans to a list of demands."

which is exactly why they shouldnt change the ending at all. the only way to please those people is to do EXACTLY what they want there shepard to do which is nothing like the next persons game or the person after that.  just add some clarification and if people dont like it they can play something else. no other video game company would even bother they would just sit back count the cash they made and if worse came to worse start a new company with the same people. 

Both apply. It's a list of demands concerned with changing the ending into something consistent with the narritive. 

DLC of course will always be optional. 

[Tanis1983]

Jeb231 wrote...
A) there are at least seven endings from the top of my mind  and that's not counting the character swaps during the final cutscene.

A) There is one ending, that's it, a slight deviance doesn't change the raw content of the ending, there is only one with a few variations. How people can consider these to be different endings is beyond me.

Take a cup of water, add a drop of mud to it. Is it now a cup of mud? No, it's still a cup of water, now it just has a speck of convoluted crap in it ... the same can be said to each of these "wildly different" endings.

The reason you don't count "character swapping" during the final cutscene is the same reason that no one else does ... because it doesn't matter ... at all. And it certainly doesnt even come *close* to justifying it being called a different ending.

You take the ending scene for Assassin's Creed: Revelations .... you cut out Ezio's face and insert ... i dunno, Desmond's. Is the ending "different"? Not even in the most strained definition of the word. It's still the exact same ending, it just has someone else's face in it.

If you're at the stage in your understanding of things, that you would consider a character swap, and an explosion color variation to be meaningful differences between endings; then i dare to say you probably don't have enough of a grasp of this series to properly defend this pro-ender campaign you think you're adding some weight to.

Just my two credits...

[viperabyss]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

Author's and artists have the right to do what ever they please. But they also have to take the criticism that comes with it.

They don't have to do a damn thing to these endings, but then they need to brace the repercussion of such. As we see now, it's not going so well for them.

^ This. Bioware certainly has the right not to change the ending, but we customers also have the right to not pay for something that was advertised, but not delivered.

Artistic integrity eh? How about consumer rights?

[XTR3M3]

Diana Allers said it best in game...
"Wars can be won or lost in the editing room..."
EAWare can win this war if they go back to the editing room and quit treating us like mushrooms....feeding us s--t and keeping us in the dark about what they are going to do about color choices.

[Jeb231]

Tanis1983 wrote...

Jeb231 wrote...
A) there are at least seven endings from the top of my mind  and that's not counting the character swaps during the final cutscene.

A) There is one ending, that's it, a slight deviance doesn't change the raw content of the ending, there is only one with a few variations. How people can consider these to be different endings is beyond me.

Take a cup of water, add a drop of mud to it. Is it now a cup of mud? No, it's still a cup of water, now it just has a speck of convoluted crap in it ... the same can be said to each of these "wildly different" endings.

The reason you don't count "character swapping" during the final cutscene is the same reason that no one else does ... because it doesn't matter ... at all. And it certainly doesnt even come *close* to justifying it being called a different ending.

You take the ending scene for Assassin's Creed: Revelations .... you cut out Ezio's face and insert ... i dunno, Desmond's. Is the ending "different"? Not even in the most strained definition of the word. It's still the exact same ending, it just has someone else's face in it.

If you're at the stage in your understanding of things, that you would consider a character swap, and an explosion color variation to be meaningful differences between endings; then i dare to say you probably don't have enough of a grasp of this series to properly defend this pro-ender campaign you think you're adding some weight to.

Just my two credits...

I totally agree and I'm not saying I find the ending sufficient or even acceptable but multiple endings could easily be used as a bullet point on a game box without it being a blatant lie. It's fine to think and argue the end product isn't fit for purpose but right now the discussion revolves around extrapolations made out of ambiguous statements. Let's hear what exactly is the plan first then we can discuss if it is acceptable or get a refund. Game has been out for less than a month. I was stuck a werewolf in Skyrim for months.

Modifié par Jeb231, 02 avril 2012 - 07:23 .

[Pain Train]

Foulpancake wrote...

Considering they are 110% clueless, JK rowling changed the end of Harry Potter, she was originally going to have Harry die, but fan response was very negative so she changed it before the release.

Too bad they didn't do a lick of research or even have any clue what they were talking about....

Apparently, Bioware NOT doing their literary homework reaches to all levels and outlets of the company. No wonder they are clueless as to why loyal fans are not pleased with the ending. It most assuridly is NOT in line with the rest of the narrative of ME3 OR with the previous two ME games.

[Bizantura]

For inverstors there is no art just money. Bioware allied themselves with EA for the big bucks, they produce consumer products no art. So hiding behind art is just ridiculous.

[Tanis1983]

Jeb231 wrote...

Tanis1983 wrote...

Jeb231 wrote...
A) there are at least seven endings from the top of my mind  and that's not counting the character swaps during the final cutscene.

A) There is one ending, that's it, a slight deviance doesn't change the raw content of the ending, there is only one with a few variations. How people can consider these to be different endings is beyond me.

Take a cup of water, add a drop of mud to it. Is it now a cup of mud? No, it's still a cup of water, now it just has a speck of convoluted crap in it ... the same can be said to each of these "wildly different" endings.

The reason you don't count "character swapping" during the final cutscene is the same reason that no one else does ... because it doesn't matter ... at all. And it certainly doesnt even come *close* to justifying it being called a different ending.

You take the ending scene for Assassin's Creed: Revelations .... you cut out Ezio's face and insert ... i dunno, Desmond's. Is the ending "different"? Not even in the most strained definition of the word. It's still the exact same ending, it just has someone else's face in it.

If you're at the stage in your understanding of things, that you would consider a character swap, and an explosion color variation to be meaningful differences between endings; then i dare to say you probably don't have enough of a grasp of this series to properly defend this pro-ender campaign you think you're adding some weight to.

Just my two credits...

I totally agree and I'm not saying I find the ending sufficient or even acceptable but multiple endings could easily be used as a bullet point on a game box without it being a blatant lie. It's fine to think and argue the end product isn't fit for purpose but right now the discussion revolves around extrapolations made out of ambiguous statements. Let's hear what exactly is the plan first then we can discuss if it is acceptable or get a refund. Game has been out for less than a month. I was stuck a werewolf in Skyrim for months.

Ha! ... As was I. Blasted Companions.

[Asharad Hett]

Too bad JK Rowling didn't write the ending.