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[S4pphi]

"We can't please everybody"

Yeah, but you managed to please nobody.

[Aiyie]

"It's the difference between wanting the ending to be changed to be
something consistent with the narrative ... to something specific," he
said. "It changes their tone from concerned fans to a list of demands."

just in case anyone ever wondered why people started using the term "entitled"... this is it right here.

im just waiting.  im almost positive that they'll announce some sort of fix at PAX... but something tells me alot of people aren't going to be happy.

I can almost guarantee they won't completely scrap the starchild ending and rewrite the entire ending.  I can almost guarantee that any ending dlc will be bundled with an Omega dlc that we'll have to pay for.  I can almost guarantee it won't be real "ending" dlc, but clarificiation dlc that occurs mid-campaign.

When that happens, we'll see some entitled reactions that should go down in history.

[AtlasMickey]

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

Not surprising, he should note the current ending is certainly NOT consistent with the narrative of anything in ME.

No he shouldn't, because it certainly IS. You will all burn out. Your line will fall.

[ahandsomeshark]

I keep seeing developers saying things like it shouldn't be changed as long as it's consistent with the narrative. Which makes me think they don't realize how inconsistent with the narrative the ending is.

[tekkaman fear]

It's pride. Nothing more and nothing less.

[spartan5127]

Foulpancake wrote...

Considering they are 110% clueless, JK rowling changed the end of Harry Potter, she was originally going to have Harry die, but fan response was very negative so she changed it before the release.

Too bad they didn't do a lick of research or even have any clue what they were talking about....

This. Is. Hilarious.

Bioware, you are wrong.  If you are too prideful to actually correct your mistake, at least do us the favor and stop trying to convince us you are right with arguments that are actually counterarguments.

[XTR3M3]

JK Rowling didn't end the Potter series with Lord Voldemort going "we can't fight Harry, I am your daughter!" which is how big of a deviation from lore she would have had to go to compare to the cannon/lore/plot holed filled color choices BW gave us....or did EA come in and say "write this in"? Whoever did is so out of touch with the fan base (and money spending fan base) that it is no wonder they don't understand where we are coming from.

[eddieoctane]

Dridengx wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

There's nothing wrong with having the option for a happy ending, you know.

There's nothing wrong with not having every game have a happy ending as well.

You can't always get what you want and if ME3 is the instance in your life it takes to notice it, so be it.

I get plenty of those experiences when I'm not paying. I don't have my dream job. My dog died about 3 years short of the breed average. I'm well aware that I can't always get what I want. But why should I shell out $60 to be beaten over the head with the inevitability of my own death? The entire point of video games is to escape the reality of our daily lives.

[XTR3M3]

AtlasMickey wrote...

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

Not surprising, he should note the current ending is certainly NOT consistent with the narrative of anything in ME.

No he shouldn't, because it certainly IS. You will all burn out. Your line will fall.

^^
Say hello to the true vocal minority people....

[Straw_foot]

Happy endings are not cool

*Writes poetry by candlelight and cuts self with rose stems*

When you're being commissioned for art, when you're making it for sale, you either make it to the satisfaction of the consumer or you don't get paid. Really it's your choice, not mine. Diablo 3 is going to have console ports, so you're on a time limit with male fans 20+ Years old (Myself included)

Modifié par Straw_foot, 02 avril 2012 - 03:53 .

[Johanna]

Mr.House wrote...

Wait wait wait, did he just use J.K Rowling and Harry Potter as a point? Despite the fact she changed the ending to please her fans?

Delicious, isn't it?

Oh, Bioware/Mythic.  

[Taboo]

At this point I think Harry Potter's ending will be remembered................

[sargon1986]

Shermos wrote...

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

Not surprising, he should note the current ending is certainly NOT consistent with the narrative of anything in ME.

*Face palm*

The game prepared the player for the ending with the subtlety of a sledge hammer. The themes of cycles and the consequences of breaking them were there right from the start of ME3. This and other themes dealth with were arguably there as far back as ME1.

On Topic: Good on you Bioware for taking a stand! I for one am happy with the endings the way are they are and even if I wasn't, it's YOUR story to tell as YOU wish, regardless of it being interatcive.

Sure! Then WE (the fans) will do as WE wish and never buy anything of Bioware again in that case! You can tell your stories however you wish.

[nevar00]

yeah, you clearly havn't been paying attention then. Every single thing in the ending, every single word the catalyst tells you is discussed at some other point in the series.

IT DOESN'T MATTER. They change the entire main antagonist, the entire main goal of the storyline with the last 5 minutes: from "destroy the Reapers" to "solve this synethic organic (apparent) issue, then the Reapers will go away". The ending fails on even the most basic of levels.

Personally i agree with this guy. I have seen nothing but people making demands from Bioware. "Demand a better ending." etc. The audacity of it makes me want to scream.

I know right? People complaining about a product they've put so much time and effort into, and were flat out told lies (or very imaginable truths) about. The audacity!

[sargon1986]

AtlasMickey wrote...

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

Not surprising, he should note the current ending is certainly NOT consistent with the narrative of anything in ME.

No he shouldn't, because it certainly IS. You will all burn out. Your line will fall.

Nope, it is certainly NOT. I hope you won't burn out because your lousy argumenty are nothing but amusing. Our line will never fall, don't be naive.

[Barict78]

eddieoctane wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

There's nothing wrong with having the option for a happy ending, you know.

There's nothing wrong with not having every game have a happy ending as well.

You can't always get what you want and if ME3 is the instance in your life it takes to notice it, so be it.

I get plenty of those experiences when I'm not paying. I don't have my dream job. My dog died about 3 years short of the breed average. I'm well aware that I can't always get what I want. But why should I shell out $60 to be beaten over the head with the inevitability of my own death? The entire point of video games is to escape the reality of our daily lives.

THis Times A billion

[veramis]

Artists have the right to become failed artists, yes.

[The Night Mammoth]

Dridengx wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

There's nothing wrong with having the option for a happy ending, you know.

There's nothing wrong with not having every game have a happy ending as well.

I'd prefer a game that supports the premise and themes it establishes. 

You can't always get what you want and if ME3 is the instance in your life it takes to notice it, so be it.

Oh wow, another broad declaritive statement with zero merit or credibility. 

[D1ck1e]

3 Words about mythic: Trials of Atlantis.

[The Night Mammoth]

pistolols wrote...

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

Not surprising, he should note the current ending is certainly NOT consistent with the narrative of anything in ME.

yeah, you clearly havn't been paying attention then.  Every single thing in the ending, every single word the catalyst tells you is discussed at some other point in the series.

I just died laughing. Some parts are discussed, AS A SIDE PLOT. 

The underlying themes are pretty much ignored, or alternatively, taken, tossed in the flames, and contradicted repeatedly.

Personally i agree with this guy.  I have seen nothing but people making demands from Bioware.  "Demand a better ending." etc.  The audacity of it makes me want to scream.

Yeah, you clearly haven't been paying attention then. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 02 avril 2012 - 04:05 .

[Myrmedus]

Dridengx wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

There's nothing wrong with having the option for a happy ending, you know.

There's nothing wrong with not having every game have a happy ending as well.

Actually, yes there is - it's called needlessly alienating a portion of your fanbase/playerbase. I say needlessly because there's no reason to not include one whereas there is every reason to include one.

[cutegigi]

sargon1986 wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

Not surprising, he should note the current ending is certainly NOT consistent with the narrative of anything in ME.

No he shouldn't, because it certainly IS. You will all burn out. Your line will fall.

Nope, it is certainly NOT. I hope you won't burn out because your lousy argumenty are nothing but amusing. Our line will never fall, don't be naive.

not even amusing.<_<

[RenascentAnt1]

pistolols wrote...

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

Not surprising, he should note the current ending is certainly NOT consistent with the narrative of anything in ME.

yeah, you clearly havn't been paying attention then.  Every single thing in the ending, every single word the catalyst tells you is discussed at some other point in the series.

Personally i agree with this guy.  I have seen nothing but people making demands from Bioware.  "Demand a better ending." etc.  The audacity of it makes me want to scream.

Scream yourself hoarse. Bioware has actually asked for feedbacks for ME3.

[Nial Black-Knee]

Like other developers before them, bioware's hubris has overcome their good sense. It has been building for the last several years. When a company that produces a product starts to think that their wants are more important than the customers they are producing the product for. That is the beginning of the end.

I hear the words comming out C.H.s mouth and just have to wonder if the guy thinks he's the incarnation.of J.C. superstar. Hello!!!! Your a game developer dude. Get over yourself!

It takes years to build a good reputation in business. Sometimes just months or even days to ruin it. Idiots!

I have hesitated to say that I wont buy another thing from bioware because of this debacle. But everytime these loons open their mouths it pushes me farther into that camp. Does anyone in this company have a degree in business? It sure doesn't seem like it.

[frylock23]

Of course, J.K. ROwling outed Dumbledore when there was clearly no need to. Not that I'm against it; I'm just pointing out that while you can make the argument either way given the material in the books, there was no pressing need in the narrative for Dumbledore to be either gay or straight. In fact, there was no pressing need for any of Harry's faculty to have a defined sexual orientation save for Snape for whom it was central to the narrative as a whole. And, yes, Hagrid has an orientation to, but that was just for a humorous side plot LI with the Headmaster of Beauxbatons and not necessary.

Rowling did it mainly to satisfy fan demand and clarify a potetial mystery and for no other real reason that I can discern.

So, again, there is clearly precedent for things to change based on the whims of the author and the demands/desries of the fans. Heck, look at ME - Kaidan went from straight to bi mainly out of a desire to satisfy the fans.