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[caradoc2000]

You are "supposed to lose" that battle and then escape Fort Drakon.

[Bhryaen]

My first game I killed Ser Cauthrien by treating her like the ogre and having the chased character (my Warden) running around the back room in circles to avoid her while the rest of the party kept wailing on her just as she'd round the bend again. Once she went down, area effect magic took out all the archers, but I learned later that you miss out on lots of fun encounters if you emerge victorious from the battle, so it's best to end up at the prison after all by being defeated... Best XP apparently is to kill everything other than a single archer and then let it kill everyone (since death apparently means surrender?- haven't gone to prison that way yet). Then Cauthrien returns later in the game for another scuffle...

On Tactics I think it might help to set your mode type drop-down menu to Default (rather than Scrapper or whatever)... Whichever is working for Wynne might also be good for Morrigan. Note also what other "self-any" or "enemy-any" tactics are set up already since it can affect behavior

Modifié par Bhryaen, 10 avril 2012 - 05:11 .

[Uranium23567]

oh. well. heh I just beat it with room to spare. had to rearrange their tactics. lots of pausing. Using Wynnes clensing aura, auto-use lyrium potions, and have her rise me up front he dead once

I have:

me (warrior)
lilliana (rouge) to pick locks, and get all kinds of nice stuff. also nice with drake armor and a good weapon
morrogan - frosting and auto healing, tk weapons all the time
wynne - frosting and auto healing. frost weapons all the time. add that to the flame and other runes, my sword has flame, frost, tk, electricity

[Uranium23567]

ok CORRECTION. It was the major battle before the one you get captured. when you come up right from the basement

after that NOW I got captured. and yeah, that was impossible

Modifié par Uranium23567, 11 avril 2012 - 05:18 .

[jasorn]

Re: Tactics.

Remember that tactics don't work on the character you are controlling. So if you have your warrior set to take one at 50% it'll never work if you're actively playing him. Have to put a health poultice on the quick bar and use manually.

Also make sure you are using the least/most powerful option for potions of any sort instead of specific ones. If you set them to use a specific type of potion and that particular one is not in inventory it won't work.

Not sure at all why Morrigan wouldn't self cast tk weapons reliably as long as you are using the "any" modifier.

[jasorn]

I'm still curious though. Any chance you could upload some screenshots of your main character? Be uroius to see what gear/stats you're running.

[Ferretinabun]

Bit late now, but just a note for next time - that fight when you come up from the basement is avoidable. After you kill Arl Howe and free (or whatever) his prisoners, you can complete your circuit of the dungeon and exit the way you came in. That way you can reach Anora without encountering any guards at all (until you get captured).

[Uranium23567]

yaay i'm back. so, I beat it, beat all the dlc's, beat awakening.
started getting real easy once my char started hitting the high levels



so I restarted this time and 'now i'm a mage, elf, female. On regular difficulty and AM
KICKING ASS at lower levels. the game seems so easy except now and then I
run into a arcane horror that does some crazy s*it to me. Or the sloth
demon who'se last form is an arcane horror that does a blizzard that
nearly kills everyone quickly, but I have group heal, which worked as
long as I wasn't incapacitated.



I remember in obilvion (and other RPG's) mages are kinda weak. The
reason why in obilvion mages were always running away from other classes
(specifically me). Mixing magic an swordplay in these games is pretty much the best thing to do. But in DA, I'm kicking serious ass as a mage by itself

In rpgs I always play through the first time as a male, warrior, and do heroic/virtous acts. Second time I play through as a female, do evil acts, and be in general kind of a ****. did it with Mass effect 1/2 also

Let me see if I can find a save with my old character and get some screenshots. He pretty much had the biggest armor and weapons a warrior could get

Modifié par Uranium23567, 27 avril 2012 - 08:29 .

[Swordfishtrombone]

Uranium23567 wrote...

I remember in obilvion (and other RPG's) mages are kinda weak. The
reason why in obilvion mages were always running away from other classes
(specifically me). Mixing magic an swordplay in these games is pretty much the best thing to do. But in DA, I'm kicking serious ass as a mage by itself

In rpgs I always play through the first time as a male, warrior, and do heroic/virtous acts. Second time I play through as a female, do evil acts, and be in general kind of a ****. did it with Mass effect 1/2 also

Let me see if I can find a save with my old character and get some screenshots. He pretty much had the biggest armor and weapons a warrior could get

Yes, mages are powerful in DA:O. I think probably the most challenging class is a warrior - I too played my first playthrough with a warrior (Two handed weapon weilding commoner dwarf).

Rogues are fun too - and a dual dagger wielding rogue assassin is the class that can take down single enemies faster than any other.

[SiIencE]

Faerunner wrote...

Oh yeah, they made the Ser Cauthrien fight in Arl Howe's estate nearly impossible on purpose. It's actually much more interesting and fun (and I think profitable) from a role-playing perspective if you allow yourself to lose and be taken to Fort Draken (after taking down as many goons as you can, of course). Escaping that prison is arguably one of the funniest parts of the game, especially if you have your companions come and rescue you. =)

I never knew, i've done multiple playthroughs but i've never lost that fight ever so i never get to go to Fort Draken...
It took some time to win that fight but still it never occured that i lost. (that the 1 that drops summersword?)

Also i don't quite get how to get there at lvl 7 or 8, i mostly go <start place>Ostagar->Pickup Shale->Orzammar->Redcliffe->Circle->Brecillian Forest->Denerim. And the stuff inbetween like Wardens Keep/Haven-URN. So by the time i reach Denerim i'm level 21ish and got some good gear. And tactics are more refined so most fights become rather easy on normal or hard. I have to loose on purpose it seems, this will be hard since i don't like failing

[seren2]

The best tactics for the Ser Cauthrien fight in Arl Howe's estate is to take the option to surrender, for the sake of the Queen. It may not be the most experience, but it opens the door for some of the best comedy in the game, and makes getting Anora to support you easier.

Save after the cut scene in Arl Eamon's when Anora says we have a problem.....
The Fort Drakon scene opens and you have to make the choice to escape yourself or have your friend rescue you.

Self escape is easy enough, especially if a rogue or warrior.... but not near as entertaining.

Waiting for friends requires you to pick which two come for you. Which is why I recommend saving so at a point that you can replay easily.

Morigan and Leiliana are funny, Sten and the Dog are absolutely great, Sten and Zevron have to be the two Stooges incarnate, Alistair is available if you don't get him locked up with you .......

And there are different dialog paths for all of them, including letting the Dog do the negotiations....

You get the idea....

It is possible to escape without having to kill anyone, which seems to increase the number of troops on the roof for the final scene. Most scenarios end up requiring some fighting, but that is up to you as to how to carry it out.

Your choice.

Enjoy....

[seren2]

As a side note, Ser Cauthrien will show at the Landsmeet as well.
You can defeat her for the summer sword there as well, or just use dialog to get her to bend knee to you.

The summer sword is nice, but does not hold a candle to Starfang or Yusaris upgraded.
Her speech when you convince her to stand aside fits the game quite well.

For those who find the game difficult, it is all about tactics. The right tactics will render most, but not all, situations easy.

I have fought scenarios that seemed impossible, only to change tactics and find the same scenario is now easier by far.

Modifié par seren2, 28 mai 2012 - 03:21 .

[SiIencE]

Even though i read this i ended up killing her again but i made a save so i can try again sometime.

I just wonder if i start 'over' from that point will my endgame change? Do i have to backup my 'endgame' save or does it still stay there (like importing char to Awakening/Witch hunt where it created a new folder with f.e. Aluna / Aluna1 / Alune2?)

[termokanden]

caradoc2000 wrote...

You are "supposed to lose" that battle and then escape Fort Drakon.

Pretty obvious to most people. I'm just so stubborn I had to keep trying. I never actually tried escaping so far because I'm used to beating her now and it would feel like a personal defeat to surrender

I hate when games make you lose fights. I simply can't stand it. It's almost as bad as "you're caught and end up in prison without your items" (seems to me this happens in the vast majority of RPGs).

Modifié par termokanden, 05 juin 2012 - 10:02 .

[mitthrawuodo]

I won by having the party hold position and then moving my DW rogue and my mage wynne move back into the corridor where out of sight of those crossbows it's easy to take her down

[termokanden]

Yep. Easiest way to win it. If you are high difficulties I think she can one-shot you, but you can use cheap tricks like taunt+Force Field and kiting too I guess.