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[Loetek]

Lobsang1979 wrote...

Loetek wrote...

And to the guy that had the problem with the commador 64 game not letting you out of the starting room... sounds like a isolated incident to me... that would have never made it out of the QA room if it were ALL of them.

Or you could address the rest of my comments, rather than state blatantly obvious facts as exaggerated "I win" quips. Honestly, it is the aggressively dismissive nature of people who have problems with the game that leads others, in turn,  to be dismissive of their complaints.

I am saying that your outlook on the good old days of gaming just do not stand up to serious scrutiny or my own experiences in gaming. Many, many bugs will have been caught by the QA team involved in DA:O in order to bring the game to a marketable condition. That some will always get through is a logical certainty, and in no way implies that the reason was due to money-grabbing executives or lack of artistic integrity on Bioware's part.

However, if you wish to continue your belief that the holy grail of software development (e.g. no bugs) can be attained then that is your right, obviously. I reckon your disappointment will merely grow and grow over the next few years as your patience wears thinner and thinner.

Entitlement? 
Entitlement! :happy:

I addressed what you said when I addressed Matt... because it was the same thing basically. 

"my games not broken so stop complaining."

And you have the Enchantment down pat.

[avenger_teambg]

The game crashes on me regularly (not constantly). I could play it through, but that doesn't mean i will want to do it again. Maybe after a patch.

[Xbattousai]

I made a thread about a week or so ago along these lines:

http://social.biowar.../index/316103/1



I'm just amazed at how people defend bugs nowadays.

Just when I thought people (in US) ) were mainly in debt b/c they didn't understand credit the core reality is that they don't value money!



You paid for something that you didn't get; what is so hard to comprehend about that!?

This is as stupid as a taxi driver picking you up THEN stopping for gas before taking you to your destination, but hey I'm sure some people are fine with that too.

It's neither the quality of service you should receive, expect and most of all nor be accustomed to.



As people continue to be enablers quality of service will continue to decline and it'll just be the norm (if we're not already there).

I'm looking forward to SWTOR but I'm def. not buying any collectors edition or reordering. I'll just wait a good 4-7 months after the release.

[AJB2610]

My game crashed once since buying it, not a bad record but have people updated drivers etc before wondering if its the game?

[jqgs214]

No crashes or long load times here, only a few minor graphical bugs and I'm running a pentium d with integrted vidio nvidia 7300le. 

[sambuka]

Quote:
Honestly though, you can't expect any piece of software to come out perfect.
End Quote:

err.......why not?.....if you were a company and sold inferior goods you would soon go out of business. If you bought some  business software, would you expect it to do what it said on the box? of course you would . It is because of people like you accepting any old rubbish and saying "Well thats the way it is" that software houses continue to be able to push half finished games. This, as someone said is not something that has happened all the time.. it is something that is happening now. It is getting to the point that owning a PC for games is a struggle and that it takes all the fun out of playing games.

Perhaps....the gaming houses are aware of this issue and are driving more and more people towards consoles......How much is PS 3?

Modifié par sambuka, 04 décembre 2009 - 07:24 .

[Matthew Young CT]

You expect software to be perfect? Don't make me laugh man. Do you have any comprehension of how complex a modern game is?

[sambuka]

Yes I have quite a good comprehension of software seeing I am a programmer. If I produced product as bad as some software houses I wouldn't be in a job very long.



Get a grip, stop being a wimp and stand up for yourself..you will see that it does make a difference.

[Matthew Young CT]

Wimp? Stand up for myself? What on earth are you going on about?

[Aghix]

sambuka wrote...

Yes I have quite a good comprehension of software seeing I am a programmer. If I produced product as bad as some software houses I wouldn't be in a job very long.

Get a grip, stop being a wimp and stand up for yourself..you will see that it does make a difference.

you know whats nice about the internet? you can be whoever you wanna be here ;P

[limoen]

Games have bugs. Always had. It is inevitable that Dragon Age would have them. Saying that games and software didn't really have bugs in the good old days is nonsense. I don't nearly experience as many game breaking bugs or CTD's, hangups etc. with today's games as I did 5-10 years ago. Most people wouldn't even realize a lot of bugs if it weren't for forums like this.



I do agree that a company should continue support for its product after release, fixing what is broken and improve compatibility with systems, and do so as soon as possible. Some companies simply take support and patching more serious than others. Take Fallout 3 for example. It had/has some serious bugs both on PC as well as console. The 'patches' they released only added achievements for overpriced DLC and hardly fixed any bugs, in fact many introduced more. It was left to the community to actually fix the game, which is pretty sad, considering the amount of money involved with sales of the game and DLC. On the other hand, Starcraft still received patches fixing minor imbalances and bugs years after it was economically interesting.

[-Zippi-]

I expect small bugs in a new game, but Dragon Age was not ready for release in my opinion. The small bugs as conversationerrors, graphicglitches, tiny short lagging and so on are accepted, but with neverending loadingscreens and massive lagging after 15 min of play, and broken DLC, I will call it close to unplayable until a patch arrives. Its like I'm testing a beta for Bioware.

I have played way to many games since the 80's and Dragon Age is by far the most buggy game=(

As the game is FANTASTIC, I really hope Bioware can give some news on the upcoming patch this week as they said. I enjoy the PS3 version now, but it is far from the quality of the PC version in my opinion.

Modifié par -Zippi-, 04 décembre 2009 - 09:03 .

[Offkorn]

I wouldn't call a flawed area-resource de-cacher a 'bug'. It's more of an unfixable flaw in the engine design.

Wizards of the Coast had the same problem with MTGO v2. They, though, had the excuse of not being a well-established software development team, and had outsourced the engine-construction to an essentially no-name company.

As it is, area-load times can be kept at manageable levels by exiting to the main menu every 3 or so area changes. That is not to imply that such tactics make everything okay, because they don't, but the issue does not require a patch to avoid.

Modifié par Offkorn, 04 décembre 2009 - 09:13 .

[Apex Sammoth]

Xbattousai wrote...

I made a thread about a week or so ago along these lines:
http://social.biowar.../index/316103/1

I'm just amazed at how people defend bugs nowadays.
Just when I thought people (in US) ) were mainly in debt b/c they didn't understand credit the core reality is that they don't value money!

You paid for something that you didn't get; what is so hard to comprehend about that!?
This is as stupid as a taxi driver picking you up THEN stopping for gas before taking you to your destination, but hey I'm sure some people are fine with that too.
It's neither the quality of service you should receive, expect and most of all nor be accustomed to.

As people continue to be enablers quality of service will continue to decline and it'll just be the norm (if we're not already there).
I'm looking forward to SWTOR but I'm def. not buying any collectors edition or reordering. I'll just wait a good 4-7 months after the release.

BINGO I have been saying this for a long time.

[Apex Sammoth]

sambuka wrote...

Quote:
Honestly though, you can't expect any piece of software to come out perfect.
End Quote:

err.......why not?.....if you were a company and sold inferior goods you would soon go out of business. If you bought some  business software, would you expect it to do what it said on the box? of course you would . It is because of people like you accepting any old rubbish and saying "Well thats the way it is" that software houses continue to be able to push half finished games. This, as someone said is not something that has happened all the time.. it is something that is happening now. It is getting to the point that owning a PC for games is a struggle and that it takes all the fun out of playing games.

Perhaps....the gaming houses are aware of this issue and are driving more and more people towards consoles......How much is PS 3?

Sad but, true with all gamming companies. Seems like Lately in the last 5 years I been spedning more times on board for Fixes to PC games then actually playing them. Does this sound fair ? AND for you Fanboys NO IT's not my system.

[Crispy8181]

Dude, it's "gaming".



herp

[Apex Sammoth]

Crispy8181 wrote...

Dude, it's "gaming".

herp

Oh now your Correcting my spelling Jack &%$&*(. Good One got something more orignal then that Troll.

[Crispy8181]

It's "you're". And you don't need to capitalize the work "correcting" in your sentence above. Nor the "Jack" part of what I assume you meant to be "jackass". Oh, there's another at the end. Ah, and you forgot to close the parentheses. Darn.



Hmm, yeah. You're simply a mental midget. No wonder you can't figure out how to get a notably stable game to run correctly.



Like I said, herp. Derp, too.

[Tosheroon]

Loetek wrote...

I addressed what you said when I addressed Matt... because it was the same thing basically. 

"my games not broken so stop complaining."

And you have the Enchantment down pat.

No, no you didn't as shown by your post. I don't think that anyone who is not arguing from an entrenched position like your own would interpret my post in the way that you did. I did not ask you to stop complaining, nor did I suggest that your game can not be 'broken' if mine is not. In fact, I have categorically stated that my own experiences with the game are not necessarily your own.

I get that you are angry that the game you bought is not working as you want it to, but my point is that arguing from false facts will actually make your complaint less valid. You simply can not state that buggy games are a modern phenomenon without facts, not can you imply that the reason for said bugs are down to corporate conspiracy without evidence of the fact. Simply stating it, especially in a somewhat smug manner, does not make it so.

I agree with you that the game should be patched if the problems you describe are within Bioware's control. I also feel that you are arguing yourself into a state of disillusionment about a decent game simply because you angry with gaming developers and their publishers.

As a final note, being lazily dismissive of other viewpoints and smugly arrogant in your posting style does not benefit the arguments in your posts. 

[ChuckWithers]

I'm still waiting for them to fix the area behind the grand oak.....

[Pokota]

I have several very noticeable bugs. First, I've started the Stone Prisoner quest but the village with Shale won't show up on my map. Second, NPCs in Redcliffe village won't accept my quests, even though they have exclamation marks above their heads. Then there is the annoying memory leak situation, and a couple of times I've been caught in cut-scene loops.



Still, honestly, I can accept bugs in a game this complex. What I can't accept is being told by customer service that they can't help with "gameplay" issues, and that I should ask for help FROM OTHER PLAYERS in the forums. That's asinine.

[Loetek]

Lobsang1979 wrote...


As a final note, being lazily dismissive of other viewpoints and smugly arrogant in your posting style does not benefit the arguments in your posts. 

Because your not doing that.

[Loetek]

The fact is... it would be nice if Bioware hurried up and got the patch done. I seriously doubt these guys are working any extra hours trying to get this game fixed... because we already bought it. Why should they hurry? And people like you all that are defending them doesn't help. What if the shoe were on the other foot?

[Caion]

If I were to take a drink every time someone in this thread says the word "troll" I'd need to get my stomach pumped. lol.

Edit: It looks like the patch will be arriving soon.

http://social.biowar...index/114300/11

Modifié par Caion, 05 décembre 2009 - 02:02 .

[Aghix]

Caion wrote...

If I were to take a drink every time someone in this thread says the word "troll" I'd need to get my stomach pumped. lol.

Edit: It looks like the patch will be arriving soon.

http://social.biowar...index/114300/11

woohoo. i dont believe this will fix all lour crashing issues unless they say it in the patch notes, he never hinted at that. just "some pc issues".

o well. i has happy! :3 ...or at least peace of mind.

enchantment?

ENCHANTMENT!