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[Rasputin17]

But, after months of play one thing seems true. Ignorant people play Vanguard. Before I go off on a rant let me just say my main character in SP has always been Vanguard. Hence why I wanted to give them a chance. Its just people who know what they are doing tend to stay away from Vanguard while those who have no clue are drawn to it.


For example last night I was in a Silver game with a Level 20 Vanguard host. First of all he kept asking if we wanted to play solo? Whatever that means. Everyone said as a team and then he goes half way across the map to make sure he can kill enemies before we see them. Through the first 5 roudns he had a decent score, in fact the highest but he used up every single medigel and ops back by the 5th round. Then acted surprised when he died for the 5 time in 5 rounds. Even though I found him seriously on top of a data terminal he refused to use it or even stay by it to cover me. It was as if he did not even know what objectives were. Again, this is a level 20 character who only cared about getting a high level score through the first 5 rounds. I thought he was an idiot but thought whatever to myself as I let myself die without using my last medi gel. Then we get to score card and this guy starts saying "dank dank dank" and bragging about his high score. Who cares what your score is the first 5 rounds if you can't even get past them? Who cares about points when you are level 20? Why do you have no idea what objectives are or are just too greedy to help out them. Assuming one player (like me) will take it on himself to finish them. Giving you a higher score in the process.



Then he has the nerve to brag like he actually did something. If all this was not enough he has a very tasteful SN as while. (rpgupurass) What a class act.

[Projectxero]

lol Vangaurds are fun to play around with in Bronze. I personally dont like them too much anywhere else...the are almost always dying, or getting in the way my line of sight.

[Highlord Heian]

Vanguards should be, at higher difficulties, a trigger for combinations. Nova is a great AoE trigger for Biotic and Tech combos.

The key difference is a Vanguard who charges a soft target or a target that nobody's attacking, and a Vanguard who waits for the team to open up before engaging. A Vanguard should be in the front line, but he should never be leading attacks.

Anything else is just Vantards.

Modifié par Highlord Heian, 02 avril 2012 - 04:53 .

[Fyurian2]

Personally, Vanguards excell as an alternative CC class.
Charge a group of enemies while staggering multiple at once, slip out of range asap, rinse & repeat.
Especially good when charging a warped target, as you set off a combo explosion at the same time.

Vanguards that blindly charge off solo are this game's version of a suicide bomber. Effective in the short term, but keep dying.

[Nissun]

I agree, playing vanguard in bronze is really funny... Except that I started a private solo match to do it because I'm not a douchebag.

[N7 Whiskey]

I love the Drell Vanguard but his shields are so weak I don't dare take him into a Gold game.  Of course I use him as a ranged killer and only use the BCharge when enemies get up close or to refill my weak barriers, but he is fun.

[Maria Caliban]

There are ignorant players of every class, but it's much easier to notice with a Vanguard.

[Nompire]

Rasputin17 wrote...

But, after months of play one thing seems true. Ignorant people play Vanguard...

Correct, but ignorant people also play all of the other classes as well. Is it more evident with Vanguards? Sure. Sorry you had a bad experience, but not all Vanguards are bad.

[InstaShark]

CoD player if I ever saw one.

[Nompire]

Also, you should probably remove that guy's username from your post, OP.

[Youmu]

You don't have to hate Vanguards, just gotta hate bad players. ;<

[Rasputin17]

Youmu wrote...

You don't have to hate Vanguards, just gotta hate bad players. ;<

True I am not saying I have not played with decent Vanguards. An Asari Vanguard who uses Stasis and Charge as a combo skills can be very helpful. I just think ignorant players are more drawn to the class then other classess.  I am sure there are some Vanguards who are better then me out there somewhere. I just never play with them.

[Kolreth1]

Yeah I love vanguards who will charge endlessly when husks are around but hide on the other side of the map when a brute/banshee hits the field. And then brag about their score.

[AlienSpaceBats]

I didn't want to hate them because sometimes I play an Asari Vanguard and it's quite fun with a good team, but generally these people are very annoying. They don't work as part of the team, run off and do their own thing and end up needing res every five seconds on later waves.

I had a classic the other day, a Vanguard (M/H) whose MO it was to melee everything, didn't carry a weapon. Went down at least 5 times a round on Bronze. Idiot.

[Influ]

I have seen many, many, many, many, give or take a many bad players of all classes. Dying all the time in awkward places, due to being oblivious to their surroundings and generally just paying no attention/failing. Why are these okay? I have actually seen less of these bad Vanguards, but that might be because Vanguard is a relatively rarely used class compared to the others.

But this is on PC. Is the Vanguard way more popular on the consoles? I can definitely see it being even more hard to use effectively on consoles, which might contribute to the overall failing. But still, all the whining and outrage about the class is utterly ridiculous.

[kingtrouble]

Kolreth1 wrote...

Yeah I love vanguards who will charge endlessly when husks are around but hide on the other side of the map when a brute/banshee hits the field. And then brag about their score.

Because going into melee range against a banshee means you get gibbed, also brutes tend to interrupt you animations pulling you out of your invul. Yeah quickest way to die is by charging those two targets. 

[Sparrowhawke]

I play as an Asari Vanguard a lot. Actually had someone send me a message saying "You should leave, we don't play with Vanguards".

Pretty lame. Especially since I rezzed the entire team twice on ended up finishing one of the later waves on my own. Try and be friendly and helpful to people, it'll get you farther than saying a certain person, class, N7 level is useless.

If you're constantly having problems playing nice, it probably isn't the other guy...

[Dashmundo]

AlienSpaceBats wrote...

I had a classic the other day, a Vanguard (M/H) whose MO it was to melee everything, didn't carry a weapon. Went down at least 5 times a round on Bronze. Idiot.

See, I'm okay with that on Bronze. He just fancied a day being the Hulk, and found he couldn't.

As a proud M/H Vanguard in Silver levels (I leave it alone mostly on Gold - but when I do, it's very much being the team's medic and protection), folk who throw themselves into the impossible situations and fail to get out more than 3 times in a game deserve to be left to bleed out.

I can excuse  2-3 times - occasionally you get staggered and lag-stuck, and sometimes you just make a silly error. That's what medpacs are for.

[Devbo22]

As has been said, ignorant people play all classes. Vanguards are just more noticeable by nature. Easier to notice a bad vanguard who is in the middle of the enemies than some bad "insert your class preference here" who is pew-pewing off in some corner.

[kingtrouble]

Vanguards and adepts are IMO the easiest to spot if they aren't doing bad. Vanguards since they are on the group. Adepts since yu notice the sound biotic detonations make.

[ThePowerOfHAT]

Rasputin17 wrote...

But, after months of play one thing seems true. ...

Wait.  ME3 was released on March 6th....  It hasn't even been one month yet.  Unless you're counting the demo, which was still only released on February 14th, so I'd assume that that was the earliest point at which you could have begun playing.  Either way, I don't think you've been playing for "months"...



On topic, I don't mind Vanguards myself.  Actually, I kinda love them if I'm playing as an Adept or Sentinel, as they have a strong tendency toward setting off biotic explosions for me.  I use Warp/Reave/Singularity/Pull, they use Charge/Nova, and everybody wins.  Now, mind you, some Vanguards like to rush off and try to play the lone wolf, often ignoring objectives completely.  That bothers me as well, but I don't seem to meet many of them on Silver or Gold difficulty.

[Sparrowhawke]

Devbo22 wrote...

As has been said, ignorant people play all classes. Vanguards are just more noticeable by nature. Easier to notice a bad vanguard who is in the middle of the enemies than some bad "insert your class preference here" who is pew-pewing off in some corner.

Human Vanguards tend to be the more annoying class when played stupidly, simply because of the obnoxious screen shake.

My view is pretty simple: Silver is pretty easy to take with 2 people, so make sure at least one other person on your team is going to be decent. Don't do gold with a human vanny you do not personally know to be a team player.

Bronze doesn't matter, you can take bronze in your sleep with a level 1.

This is not srs bsns, people.

[SinnSly]

I didn't want to end up hating them but now.. With all this, I do, always ignorant selfish idiots, rushing into the large groups, getting owned, I am fed up, I really don't play with Vanguards unless they are my friends, I trust them, they aren't idiots like the others I've met

[ObserverStatus]

classism!

[Arcadian Legend]

^ rofl

One must embrace and work with their Vanguard brothers and sisters, so that the asskickage will be doubled.