I'm trying to figure out what kind of game this guy wants to be honest. The fact that he has Oblivion , WoW and Warhammer Online as RPG games takes away a great deal of his credibility.
Eurogamer PC Review
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#52
Posté 03 novembre 2009 - 09:52
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I wish I lived in a world where it was perfectly acceptable to enjoy WoW, Fallout 3, and Dragon Age equally.
But not Oblivion! Any game where you can be leader of the fighters' guild, thieves' guild, mages' guild, and assassins' guild at the same time has jumped several sharks.
You know what they say about opinions.
But not Oblivion! Any game where you can be leader of the fighters' guild, thieves' guild, mages' guild, and assassins' guild at the same time has jumped several sharks.
You know what they say about opinions.
#53
Posté 03 novembre 2009 - 09:56
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There certainly does seem to be a consensus that every design and development decision in Oblivion was absolutely 100% wrong-headed, as is anyone with the insolence to say anything positive about it - particularly in comparison to the self evident perfection that is DA:O.
#54
Posté 04 novembre 2009 - 12:47
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Interesting review...I tend to take those "95!!" reviews with a grain of salt as well, but this review seems a bit skewed the other way. I agree that they probably aren't big fans of the older Bioware games.
#55
Posté 04 novembre 2009 - 02:23
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Although this review serves as a cautionary tale to me, I should play this thing on easy first, as this is going to be my first serious attempt at hardcore RPG's.
#56
Posté 04 novembre 2009 - 02:27
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I don't see why 8/10 is a bad score, I guess some fans don't want little blemishes in the scores of their games. It is good that they didn't sing hallelujah like every other gaming review site out there, and pointed out the flaws.
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Posté 04 novembre 2009 - 02:32
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At the risk of being called everything from "WoW Fanboi" to "Bethesda lover", I'll lodge my support for the Eurogamer review. (You may now stop reading and start calling names)
Firstly, Eurogamer is being accused of either being intensely subjective or biased against Bioware (although I can't see why they would be). While it's arguably not a counter argument, I'll still ask the people saying this: Is your dislike of Eurogamers reviews (or indeed reviewers) less subjective?
Secondly, people calling for objectivity in a review should carefully think about their allegations that Eurogamer is not being objective, while every other review site (or magazine) IS. Is it a sign of non-objectivity when a single review falls out of line with the rest? Put another way: Why is a score of 90+ a sign of objectivity, when a score of 80 ISNT?
Moreover, how can anybody call foul on a review of a game which, supposedly, none of the readers have played? Sure, there have been a million screenshots and hands on articles everywhere, but reading something and playing the game are two entirely different things. As with most things in life, there is nothing quite like your own experience.
It may well turn out that, in hindsight, Eurogamers score is too low. But it seems to me that people who call Eurogamer biased are indeed as biased themselves, unless you've all had the same amount of time as the reviewer.
Finally, one should mention that any review will always be subjective. Mileage varies indeed from person to person. However, even if the reviewer of DA:O did not ultimately like the game, and perhaps was the wrong person to review the game, they still did point out the good things of the game (in their opinion). The less good things they pointed out were treated with dignity, rather than simple name calling a la "Gosh, this is jolly bad, complete garbage". In other words: constructive criticism.
But then, everybody makes up their own mind, whether with or without facts and experience.
Firstly, Eurogamer is being accused of either being intensely subjective or biased against Bioware (although I can't see why they would be). While it's arguably not a counter argument, I'll still ask the people saying this: Is your dislike of Eurogamers reviews (or indeed reviewers) less subjective?
Secondly, people calling for objectivity in a review should carefully think about their allegations that Eurogamer is not being objective, while every other review site (or magazine) IS. Is it a sign of non-objectivity when a single review falls out of line with the rest? Put another way: Why is a score of 90+ a sign of objectivity, when a score of 80 ISNT?
Moreover, how can anybody call foul on a review of a game which, supposedly, none of the readers have played? Sure, there have been a million screenshots and hands on articles everywhere, but reading something and playing the game are two entirely different things. As with most things in life, there is nothing quite like your own experience.
It may well turn out that, in hindsight, Eurogamers score is too low. But it seems to me that people who call Eurogamer biased are indeed as biased themselves, unless you've all had the same amount of time as the reviewer.
Finally, one should mention that any review will always be subjective. Mileage varies indeed from person to person. However, even if the reviewer of DA:O did not ultimately like the game, and perhaps was the wrong person to review the game, they still did point out the good things of the game (in their opinion). The less good things they pointed out were treated with dignity, rather than simple name calling a la "Gosh, this is jolly bad, complete garbage". In other words: constructive criticism.
But then, everybody makes up their own mind, whether with or without facts and experience.
#58
Posté 04 novembre 2009 - 02:48
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On a bit off-topic note, I've always been somewhat confuzzled by the size of the rift between Bethesda RPG and BioWare RPG players. Oblivion wasn't brilliant but Morrowind belongs, in my opinion, in the hall of fame among the best games ever made along with BG2.
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Posté 04 novembre 2009 - 02:55
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Another review from eurogamer, giving Dragon Age a 10 out of 10.
http://www.eurogamer...ins-test?page=4
http://www.eurogamer...ins-test?page=4
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Posté 04 novembre 2009 - 02:56
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#61
Posté 04 novembre 2009 - 03:07
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In all fairness, back in the day, Eurogamer gave Torment a 7/10 because the character would die too much and then stand back up, trivializing the meaning of death (wow, did someone miss the point!) And the German version of Eurogamer gave it DA:O a 10.
I don't think anyway's complaining that 8/10 is a low score. I think the main complaint with the review is that the guy panned DA:O and then gave it an 8/10 (ie "Very Good"). The guy basically went down a checklist of everything that's important - at least, to me - in an RPG and said DA:O failed. And then he turned around and rated it "Very Good."
Either the reviewer doesn't consider the same things important in an RPG that I do (and I think most Bio fanboiz do), or he was intimidated into inflating the numeric score beyond what the written review merits.
I don't think anyway's complaining that 8/10 is a low score. I think the main complaint with the review is that the guy panned DA:O and then gave it an 8/10 (ie "Very Good"). The guy basically went down a checklist of everything that's important - at least, to me - in an RPG and said DA:O failed. And then he turned around and rated it "Very Good."
Either the reviewer doesn't consider the same things important in an RPG that I do (and I think most Bio fanboiz do), or he was intimidated into inflating the numeric score beyond what the written review merits.
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Posté 04 novembre 2009 - 03:08
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Arrden wrote...
At the risk of being called everything from "WoW Fanboi" to "Bethesda lover", I'll lodge my support for the Eurogamer review. (You may now stop reading and start calling names)
Firstly, Eurogamer is being accused of either being intensely subjective or biased against Bioware (although I can't see why they would be). While it's arguably not a counter argument, I'll still ask the people saying this: Is your dislike of Eurogamers reviews (or indeed reviewers) less subjective?
Secondly, people calling for objectivity in a review should carefully think about their allegations that Eurogamer is not being objective, while every other review site (or magazine) IS. Is it a sign of non-objectivity when a single review falls out of line with the rest? Put another way: Why is a score of 90+ a sign of objectivity, when a score of 80 ISNT?
Moreover, how can anybody call foul on a review of a game which, supposedly, none of the readers have played? Sure, there have been a million screenshots and hands on articles everywhere, but reading something and playing the game are two entirely different things. As with most things in life, there is nothing quite like your own experience.
It may well turn out that, in hindsight, Eurogamers score is too low. But it seems to me that people who call Eurogamer biased are indeed as biased themselves, unless you've all had the same amount of time as the reviewer.
Finally, one should mention that any review will always be subjective. Mileage varies indeed from person to person. However, even if the reviewer of DA:O did not ultimately like the game, and perhaps was the wrong person to review the game, they still did point out the good things of the game (in their opinion). The less good things they pointed out were treated with dignity, rather than simple name calling a la "Gosh, this is jolly bad, complete garbage". In other words: constructive criticism.
But then, everybody makes up their own mind, whether with or without facts and experience.
Very well written, thank you for instigating perhaps an interesting debate. To speak for myself, I don't believe in objectivity and absolute values. Instead, I believe that everything is subjective and relative, and that any norms or rules are, at best, a practical means how to keep peace. However, if someone states, for instance, that they don't like teriyaki because it's too sweet, while eating pure sugar, I would have to comment.
As my arguments against Eurogamer review are based on something else I can agree with you without contradicting myself.
#63
Posté 04 novembre 2009 - 03:12
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Forwen wrote...
On a bit off-topic note, I've always been somewhat confuzzled by the size of the rift between Bethesda RPG and BioWare RPG players. Oblivion wasn't brilliant but Morrowind belongs, in my opinion, in the hall of fame among the best games ever made along with BG2.
It's because they excell at different things.
Bethesda makes the most wonderful and beautiful worlds in all of gaming, but their wrting is subpar and trite.
BioWare has the most wonderful and beautiful writing in all of gaming, but their worlds are subpar and trite.
Depends on what ya like. I play both, and enojy both, but definitely love BioWare more.
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Posté 04 novembre 2009 - 03:19
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Trelow-LMG wrote...
It's because they excell at different things.
Yes obviously, and my point is that many people seem to believe only their preferred RPG model is the "correct" one. Dunno, maybe one needs to be more puristic than I am.
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#65
Posté 04 novembre 2009 - 03:24
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Eurogamer never have opinions i agree with on these sort of games so im not worried by there hating on it (in the text, not the score).
Look at there PC re-review of Risen which was basically a guy standing on a soap box saying "i told you so". Thats a great game and i've every confidence in Dragon Age too
Look at there PC re-review of Risen which was basically a guy standing on a soap box saying "i told you so". Thats a great game and i've every confidence in Dragon Age too
