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[Wolven_Soul]

Purple People Eater wrote...

If you want real (but tasteful) nudity in your love scenes, please see the Witcher 2.

I intend to, not for the love scenes though.  Sounds like an awesome game.

[Gexora]

I don't get all the complains people. Afterall, she is showering in her superior's (not her girlfriend's at the time) office. Many times my friends and I had hottub together and guess what, we were wearing swimsuits (I like to think that was a swimsuit, too).
Also I found that moment pretty hot

[Huyna]

Wolven_Soul wrote...

Purple People Eater wrote...

If you want real (but tasteful) nudity in your love scenes, please see the Witcher 2.

I intend to, not for the love scenes though.  Sounds like an awesome game.

Or, it is.
And based on (or, to say correctly, continiues ) great book series also.

[PorcelynDoll]

It annoyed me most because Liara is nude in her love scene but heaven forbid Traynor, Ashley or FemShep be allowed nudity.

[Xenbus]

AstraDrakkar wrote...

DA2 and ME3 were both a let down in the romance area because of all the ridiculous underwear scenes. They were so unrealistic. I realize Bioware can't use a "full monty" because of the rating restrictions but they really should loosen up a bit.

Except they can look at the Witcher and The Witcher 2.

Now honestly the Witcher 1 patched it in, because they took out the nudity because of the US's "High moral standards" but they added it back with a directors cut patch because they realized how silly it was to do this only for the US.

Then you look at the Withcer 2 which is rated M and there is nudity in the first 30ish minutes of gameplay and a ton more later if you so choose.

[Dendio1]

PorcelynDoll wrote...

It annoyed me most because Liara is nude in her love scene but heaven forbid Traynor, Ashley or FemShep be allowed nudity.

Not gonna lie I was pleasantly surprised by this.  Looks like one dev got one through for the team!

On a serious note, the underwear in the shower was amusing. 

Modifié par Dendio1, 03 avril 2012 - 06:27 .

[Wolven_Soul]

Wynne wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

I will forever respect CD projeckt Red for pioneering video games breaking censorship.

The witcher 2 people! excellent game

In a way that completely avoided any meaningful breaking of censorship, since you can see any part of a woman you want and that's perfectly lovely as long as you don't see (GASP!) a MAN naked! Oh, no, that would be terrible. Because everyone knows that society would collapse from an avalanche of gay conversions if (SHUDDER!) Geralt actually had sex whilst naked! Insert Chuck Norris-style joke here!

The Witcher 2 is one of the greatest culprits, since--like Traynor--Geralt has sex and takes a bath with his clothes on. Hell, he's wearing pants, not even just underwear.

There is this hilarious double standard. Notice how everyone says, "boobs" and "women" and "a nude woman" in these arguments and almost no one (if anyone) ever mentions men or their assets. Because those things are obviously evil, unlike breasts!

Maybe some of these soccer moms that people love to deride lived in a society where they could see that admiration of a nude body doesn't have to preclude respect for the person it belongs to--partly because media were equally generous to both male-attracted and female-attracted viewers, so they too can have a few little thrills and not just their teenage sons--then perhaps they would loosen up a little.

And before anybody asks, no, I don't have or want kids. I just think that change in society is only going to come when the issue stops being about how only women must be allowed to be naked. I think this censorship of female desires is directly related to the perception of women being sexless--rather than it actually being true, women just think they have to pretend they are if they want to be taken seriously in certain contexts. That should change. Then there would be fewer uptight women to complain about nudity in general because they would be seeing a picture of equal opportunity nudity, rather than just exploitation of their gender.

Realism only works if it works for both men and women. If one of the sexes remains clothed... well, that's both fetishy and unfair.

I'm personally not at all afraid of tasteful nudity--I don't at all mind if gentlemen and lesbians have the chance to admire the female form if I, other women, and gay men also have the chance to admire the male form. Mass Effect 1 wasn't bad on that count. Too bad Fox... well, everyone knows. *sigh*

I agree, very well spoken.

[Tehzim]

I thought it would be funny if her "naughty bits" were covered by those ships in your cabin, ala Austin Powers.

[Lietuvis]

I always take a bath with my underwear on, and its been like that for 18 years now.

[BDelacroix]

If someone asks to borrow my shower, It doesn't come with the stipulation that I also watch them using the shower.

[Kushan101]

PistolPete7556 wrote...

Ambelie wrote...

ACTUALLY, I know a decent amount of girls that will shower with the bra on. Good bras can be ridiculously expensive, they're the one thing you actually want to follow the washing instructions on. Since most of them say to hand wash and then drip dry I know a lot of girls who have just worn them in the shower to wash them, myself included, and then hang them on the certain rod to dry when they're done.

But still, this doesn't excuse the awkwardness of that scene.

Well...um... thanks for sharing

[ErikModi]

I used to work in a video store, and something would routinely flabergast me.

A 16, 13, 11, or EIGHT year old would be in with parents/grandparents, renting Halo, or Call of Duty, or somesuch. As the law in my state goes, you have to be 18 to rent a Mature-rated game (you can't even have a parent or guardian present. . . THEY have to rent then decide, in the privacy of their own home, to let YOU play it. Thank you, Hot Coffee.) And, as required by store policy and state law, I'd inform this parent/guardian that the game is rated M, and is thus the equivalent of an R-rated movie, at least. You know what they almost-inevitable response was?

"But it's just violence. There's no sex or anything."

I continue to be utterly dumbfounded by this, and this is why.

Every human being, regardless of any other factor, will eventually in their lives have to come to terms with their feelings about sex and sexuality, even if that is to remain celibate. EVERY SINGLE PERSON must come to grips with this aspect of their selves at some point.

Not everyone will be in situations where they must decide their thoughts on violence, up to and including lethal force. We may think about where we stand on such things, but relatively few of us will placed in positions in our lives in which we must choose if one life is more valuable than another, and actually carry through with it.

And yet, in the minds of 99% of parents, it is more acceptable to give your child all the info they could ever want on how to go about committing all kinds of mass murder, while it is totally unacceptable to give them the faintest glimpse of a naked human body, or exposure to any kind of sexuality beyond First Base.

[ErikModi]

Wolven_Soul wrote...

Wynne wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

I will forever respect CD projeckt Red for pioneering video games breaking censorship.

The witcher 2 people! excellent game

In a way that completely avoided any meaningful breaking of censorship, since you can see any part of a woman you want and that's perfectly lovely as long as you don't see (GASP!) a MAN naked! Oh, no, that would be terrible. Because everyone knows that society would collapse from an avalanche of gay conversions if (SHUDDER!) Geralt actually had sex whilst naked! Insert Chuck Norris-style joke here!

The Witcher 2 is one of the greatest culprits, since--like Traynor--Geralt has sex and takes a bath with his clothes on. Hell, he's wearing pants, not even just underwear.

There is this hilarious double standard. Notice how everyone says, "boobs" and "women" and "a nude woman" in these arguments and almost no one (if anyone) ever mentions men or their assets. Because those things are obviously evil, unlike breasts!

Maybe some of these soccer moms that people love to deride lived in a society where they could see that admiration of a nude body doesn't have to preclude respect for the person it belongs to--partly because media were equally generous to both male-attracted and female-attracted viewers, so they too can have a few little thrills and not just their teenage sons--then perhaps they would loosen up a little.

And before anybody asks, no, I don't have or want kids. I just think that change in society is only going to come when the issue stops being about how only women must be allowed to be naked. I think this censorship of female desires is directly related to the perception of women being sexless--rather than it actually being true, women just think they have to pretend they are if they want to be taken seriously in certain contexts. That should change. Then there would be fewer uptight women to complain about nudity in general because they would be seeing a picture of equal opportunity nudity, rather than just exploitation of their gender.

Realism only works if it works for both men and women. If one of the sexes remains clothed... well, that's both fetishy and unfair.

I'm personally not at all afraid of tasteful nudity--I don't at all mind if gentlemen and lesbians have the chance to admire the female form if I, other women, and gay men also have the chance to admire the male form. Mass Effect 1 wasn't bad on that count. Too bad Fox... well, everyone knows. *sigh*

I agree, very well spoken.

For a truly pioneering take on this, Spartacus (Blood and Sand, Gods of the Arena, Vengeance) is excellent with equal treatment.

[AkeasharK]

So I guess that nekkid Liara and all those Nekkid Husks, and Nekkid Cannibals justified the Nudity rating in Oz.

[Bourne Endeavor]

When you watch BioWare's various versions of censorship and than see what the Witcher 2 did with the Triss scene. You realize just how much growing up BioWare has to do.

Now with that said, we do not need every scene to be quite as detailed on the actual actions. I perfectly acknowledge the way the romance scenes are handled in Mass Effect, for instance, sex is not the focus. Therefore, we needn't see them naked the moment they hit the bed. However, the Witcher 2 demonstrated what a mature adult seen can accomplish and not spark an outcry from overly conservative people. Frankly, the Mass Effect scenes were near perfect. It left much to the imagination but showed the act in a tasteful manner.

[Lyrandori]

They could have done something better with camera angles while keeping the character naked, the way they did it with Liara was good, in both ME1 and ME3. The worst part wasn't Traynor though, it was Shepard going in fully dressed.

[ThatDancingTurian]

She was in her underwear because her CREEPY superior officer insisted she keep the door open.

I understand it was a romance scene so it's obvious Shepard would be interested, but the pervy-faced leering while her subordinate takes a shower is so inappropriate. There are way more respectful ways to show someone you're interested.

[Acidrain92]

pfft havent you guys ever heard of shower shorts? D:

[Spectre Impersonator]

 Yeah I thought that was a huge fail. Even if they didn't want to show ass or nipples (cowardly) they could have had her naked and out of frame. Also pisses me off that Traynors only a lesbo cause my male Shep likes her better than stupid Kelly. 

[bboynexus]

Who the hell cares?

[Vormaerin]

Bizantura wrote...

I'm european but the prudery sometimes amuses me. In the past the creation kit bioware provided could cure this ridiculous problem but alas no more....

I am curious but a game like the witcher is that sanatized in the land of the free?

Nudity and even pornography is not particularly restricted in the USA for adults.   The prudery is all with regards to children.   The reason companies like Bioware do not do the Witcher thing is because they want to sell their games to teenagers.   

Witcher isn't sanitized.  But its sold in fewer retailers and bought by fewer parents for their kids.   Its a trade off.

Personally, I think all the fuss about the sex scenes is silly.  You are going to get people freaking out either way.     "Eeek, its porn!" or  "waaah, I want moar sex".

The interesting thing about the romances is the, you know, romance.  Traynor's romance is actually quite interesting, imho.   Though, like all of them, you have to assume a lot of interaction since they are side by side for weeks or months, not a few hours of gaming.    The shower scene is kind of botched.  It should have followed from the chess scene the men get with Traynor, not replace it.   But the second time Traynor is in Shep's room is a far better scene anyway.

[AkeasharK]

t_skwerl wrote...

Unlike ME1's news media controversy, I don't think this had anything to do with bad publicity. I do think it had everything to do with companies like Wal-Mart not stocking it if it had nudity in it. No developer is going to limit their sales like that.

So, don't blame conservative America or media on this one. Blame EA.

So I'm guessing the Ballad of Gay Tony or the GTA4 complete edition isn't sold in Wal-Mart, with its full frontal male nudity? Or is it just female nudity that causes issues?

[atheelogos]

JnEricsonx wrote...

Ok, lets be honest-how many times have you taken a shower with YOUR UNDERWEAR ON, seriously?  Forget gratuitous nudity, or the like, there could have been plenty of non-revealing camera angles for that that make it apparent that one is showering in the proper fashion.   Sigh.

They're too scared of Fox News.

[WhiteKnyght]

JnEricsonx wrote...

Ok, lets be honest-how many times have you taken a shower with YOUR UNDERWEAR ON, seriously?  Forget gratuitous nudity, or the like, there could have been plenty of non-revealing camera angles for that that make it apparent that one is showering in the proper fashion.   Sigh.

It's called censorship.

They do use those camera angle tricks for some points after she's taking the shower tho.

[Tibbur]

even my sims from the sims have ex and shower naked