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[TheAwesomologist]

First note: I generally suck at MP. I never place more than 3rd. But I am having fun, even if some things can be a bit frustrating at times.

In single player I love my Infiltrator. I'm basically a surgeon with my sniper rifle. But in MP, without time dialtion I find myself going more for body mass shots instead of headshots. Slow moving enemies are still easy enough to hit (Cannibals, Mauraders, Guardians, Engineers and anything large). Phantoms and husks are pain, but I'll take the good with the bad.

My biggest problems so far is gear. I've only been able to unlock 3 sniper rifles. Mantis VI, Incisor (or whatever it's called) II, and M-98 Widow II. I must have unlocked nearly every damn shotgun and about 4-5 SM and AR's but I'm stuck at 3 Sniper Rifles and only 2 Pistols. The mantis does great damage but wicked slow. I'd rather use the Widow but without being able to wear armor that reduces the wieght the Mantis just seems like the better option.

I've unlocked all 4 races. I don't care for Cryoblast since using it means I'm not using Tactical Cloak. So far the Quarian is the most fun since Sabotage is actually useful vs turrets and Geth (except when people just kill the things I sabotage before they get to do anything). That said my Quarian is basically limited to sniping vs Reaper forces since Sabatage doesn't seem to do anything to them.

Anyways onto my specific question:
- Should I forget about using Sniper Rifles and just switch to pistols with scopes? Damage on my Phalanx isn't that much lower than my Mantis, better rate of fire, and ammo capicty is better.

- Is it worth switching to a different weapon altogether?

- Any advice on tactics? Last night I was in a game with 3 vanguards and I felt like I was comepletely useless. I was lucky i got 25 kills. (Note to Vanguard players, Shockwave shakes other players screens, don't stand next to infiltrators and fire off a shockwave, all you're doing is messing up our shots.)

- Should I not be relying on Tactical Cloak so much?

Thanks in advance for any tips.

[Vipala]

Cloak + Energy Drain + Quick Headshot is what you should do. However if you cant headshot, then even a body shot does quite a lot of damage. If you are used to the time dialation in SP, then you just need to play a bit.. headshots will come naturally.
Plz dont go with pistols or shotguns . And for the love of god dont drop the CLOAK

[TheAwesomologist]

Vipala wrote...

Cloak + Energy Drain + Quick Headshot is what you should do. However if you cant headshot, then even a body shot does quite a lot of damage. If you are used to the time dialation in SP, then you just need to play a bit.. headshots will come naturally.
Plz dont go with pistols or shotguns . And for the love of god dont drop the CLOAK

So basically I should just play a Salarian? I assume when you say "Cloak + Energy Drain + Quick Headshot" you're saying I should grab the final TC upgrade that lets me fire off a power without losing my cloak instead of going for SR damage upgrade.

[PsychoticBiotic]

Claymore/Geth Plasma Shotgun Infiltrators are actually quite effective.

[Whlte Rlder]

No, go for sniper damage on cloak. If you energy drain and then fire as fast as you can the damage boosts still apply

[TheAwesomologist]

PsychoticBiotic wrote...

Claymore/Geth Plasma Shotgun Infiltrators are actually quite effective.

I may have to try those since I have both. As I said I seem to have no trouble unlocking weapons I never use. Although the weight is a killer.

No one has any thoughts on Pistols? I keep seeing other classes use pistols like they're going out of style.

[gxkrizard]

I strongly recommend you to use your Widow. It is definitelly the best weapon you have.

[Uh Cold]

This game is a lot more preference than anything but if I had your setup I would go with a female infiltrator with your Widow 2 and max everything but cryoblast.
Since your widow is low use dmg barrel and thermal clip mods.
Widow has nice AP built in so you will have fun getting double or triple kills.
People will generally tell you to use salarian infiltrators though since as stated above cloak + shot + energy drain is nice but persoanlly I enjoy human side dodge rolls.

Just find a style that fits you and experiment. Best advice I can give you is don't rely on stat comparison and try everything out yourself first.

[NotABot19]

Salarian infiltrator seems to be the most useful in general.

You have a Widow II already so you can just use that. General rule is don't fire out of cloak, and general combo is cloak+energy drain+fire. Go for damage boosts when leveling cloak because the damage boost effect lasts a few seconds after cloak is gone.

You want to find a nice sniping spot, preferably higher ground, has good vision of large portion of map, not too many entrances. Then mainly pick off tougher enemies for your team, revive them when they die, and do the hacking objectives.

Widow + dmg mod + AP mod is the way to go.

[Uh Cold]

NotABot19 wrote...
Widow + dmg mod + AP mod is the way to go.

AP + Dmg mod definately works but for his low widow I would say thermal clip mod but once again all preference.

[TheAwesomologist]

So go for the widow, even if it kills my cooldown timer.
Thanks for the advice so far folks.

[Terraflare]

In general people consider Salarian Infiltrator to be the most useful, because of energy drain being able to strip shields and replenish your own. Look around for some good builds viable for silver/gold (they will be viable for bronze).

Widow II is fantastic for bronze (with barrel mod and thermal clip). Try to practice until you can regularly get 1 kill everytime you shoot. Always use cloak and shoot immediately for a low cloak cooldown and much higher damage.

While shotguns may be good (devastating in the hands of some players), try to learn the ropes using your sniper rifle first. You will get more comfortable around cloak, taking quicker shots, and getting more kills in general. Not to forget you are the best class at reviving, capping objectives etc.

[Terraflare]

TheAwesomologist wrote...

So go for the widow, even if it kills my cooldown timer.
Thanks for the advice so far folks.

If you want, you can buy recruit packs until you max out your Mantis to X. Mantis X is a very good gun (slightly worse than Widow), but more forgiving for your cooldowns.

Without going into too much detail, weight should never be a HUGE concern because the way cooldown works is that if you cloak > shoot immediately, you will always trigger the minimum 3 second cool down for cloak (instead of the 5-6 whatever stated in your ability tool tip). The only time you will incur the full duration is if you spend the FULL duration in cloak (ie let it expire without interupting it with a shot). This is few and far in between, so try not to worry too much about cloak cooldowns. Widow II is not terrible for cooldowns, I use similiar weight and its just fine for me.

Do take the -30% sniper rifle weight reduction if you roll a salarian infiltrator though, the 10% bonus damage i feel is not too important. You do still want to have a decent enough cooldown for those situations when you are capping objectives and spend long times in cloak.

[EmperorZorn]

Uh Cold wrote...

NotABot19 wrote...
Widow + dmg mod + AP mod is the way to go.

AP + Dmg mod definately works but for his low widow I would say thermal clip mod but once again all preference.

The thermal clip mod isn't really needed for Infiltrators, imo.
Even if you are not camping near an ammo box you can just cloak and run to one should you need ammo.
In my opinon the AP mod is far more useful, especially when dealing with Cerberus guards - it goes through their shields, even if you miss the slit in them.

Modifié par EmperorZorn, 02 avril 2012 - 07:45 .

[NotABot19]

TheAwesomologist wrote...

So go for the widow, even if it kills my cooldown timer.
Thanks for the advice so far folks.

For some reason as long as you take a shot/use energy drain before your cloak expires, the cooldown timer will always be 3 seconds (not sure about the exact length), so right now weapon weight doesn't matter too much.

[TheAwesomologist]

Terraflare wrote...

Without going into too much detail, weight should never be a HUGE concern because the way cooldown works is that if you cloak > shoot immediately, you will always trigger the minimum 3 second cool down for cloak (instead of the 5-6 whatever stated in your ability tool tip). The only time you will incur the full duration is if you spend the FULL duration in cloak (ie let it expire without interupting it with a shot). This is few and far in between, so try not to worry too much about cloak cooldowns. Widow II is not terrible for cooldowns, I use similiar weight and its just fine for me.

Wow, okay this is news to me. i usually take a few seconds to line up a shot (especially if all those damn biotic classes keep throwing enemies around...). Guess i need to start practicing how to get a shot lined up before i scope.

[Uh Cold]

EmperorZorn wrote...

Uh Cold wrote...

NotABot19 wrote...
Widow + dmg mod + AP mod is the way to go.

AP + Dmg mod definately works but for his low widow I would say thermal clip mod but once again all preference.

The thermal clip mod isn't really needed for Infiltrators, imo.
Even if you are not camping near an ammo box you can just cloak and run to one should you need ammo.
In my opinon the AP mod is far more useful, especially when dealing with Cerberus guards - it goes through their shields, even if you miss the slit in them.

Widow has built in AP, all the AP mod really does is more armored target damage and better penetration damage on top of the widows default AP. Basically if theres something in your way and you know a enemies coming just blindfire, the autoaim is quite generous in this game.

[Lynx7725]

What difficulties are you playing on? A sniper use different rifles on different difficulties.

A Mantis VI works on Bronze but a bit underwhelming on Gold. Keep working on the Mantis, once it hits VII or VII it gets very good (as you can swap the Clips mod out for AP mod, in which case you start to excel).

Widow II is good on Bronze if you spec for it and good on Silver.

You got good rifles, and bad pistols. Doesn't make sense to switch to pistols unless you have good ones. You might want to try a shottie-filtrator if you have a good shottie -- those are fun and a different playstyle.

Don't worry too much about Cooldown if you are not using Cryo. The way Cloaking works, CD is not really a bit issue, although you should try to minimize it. In essence: When you cloak and snipe immediately, your CD is minimal, allowing you to snipe quickly. It's only if you cloak for the whole duration that the CD is significant.

For Gold, a Salarian Infiltrator is very good due to his ED. For Silver and Bronze, you are much more free to choose. I personally run with Human Infiltrator at Bronze mostly. And not really bothered with Cryo or Grenades, though the Grenades are useful.

You have to rely on Tactical Cloak a lot because that gives you tremendous damage boosts and is tactically flexible. In any game, you are likely the designated objective capper and medic, as it is relatively safe for you to cloak, revive or cap, and then get away. As an infiltrator, you have more opportunity to assess enemy strengths and weakness, so you should take the opportunity and ability of the Tactical Cloak to relocate so that you and your team are more effective overall. Using Cloak to get to a flanking position where you can crossfire enemies is very useful in lower levels.

And the Vanguard thing? It's more them than you. You can afford to keep further back. Also, Infilitrator as a support class tends to be lower on the scoreboard, as the scoring appears to favour close-in, chain kills, whereas the Infiltrator excel at long-range, single kills. The XP is all shared at the end of the game so I take the ranking as "FYI" only. Actually, when I get ranked high as an infiltrator, I usually take it as a sign that the team is a bit messed up.

I think for your case, you may need to work on getting the shots in. Bodyshots for lower mobs once you have improved the Mantis is a OHK, so use it to quickly weed the chaff out. But your priority should be to kill important mobs, so you should always survey the battlefield, pick you target, and be patient enough to work towards that headshot.

[NotABot19]

Uh Cold wrote...

EmperorZorn wrote...

Uh Cold wrote...

NotABot19 wrote...
Widow + dmg mod + AP mod is the way to go.

AP + Dmg mod definately works but for his low widow I would say thermal clip mod but once again all preference.

The thermal clip mod isn't really needed for Infiltrators, imo.
Even if you are not camping near an ammo box you can just cloak and run to one should you need ammo.
In my opinon the AP mod is far more useful, especially when dealing with Cerberus guards - it goes through their shields, even if you miss the slit in them.

Widow has built in AP, all the AP mod really does is more armored target damage and better penetration damage on top of the widows default AP. Basically if theres something in your way and you know a enemies coming just blindfire, the autoaim is quite generous in this game.

Like you said it comes down to personal preference. Personally I like the AP because the extra ammo doesn't increase damage and I'm usually near an ammo box. The extra AP helps when you're taking down banshees, atlases, ravagers, brutes, etc. which is the type of enemy you should be focusing on as an infiltrator.

[LeTtRrZ]

 If you have the Salarian Infiltrator, use that.  If not, use a human.  DO NOT use cryblast on the human, it sucks for an infiltrator and has a long cooldown if you're carrying a heavy sniper rifle.

Always use your tactical cloak when you're about to fire a shot from a sniper rifle; it will grant a huge damage bonus.  I advise speccing into maximum damage for the tac cloak (except melee damage).

Always be aware of your flanks.  Snipers tend to be slow and cumbersome.  Aim carefully, and be ready for any last-minute movements by the enemy.  Be ready for screen shakes from nearby uses of biotic powers as well.

The only thing that will make you good is practice.  Nothing I write here will magically make you the god of infiltrators, so get out there and blow some heads off.  It doesn't matter which sniper rifle/shotgun you use; as long as you are most comfortable.

[darkblade]

If your playing human infiltrator just run a Mantis X (widow is way overrated unless you plan on lining up multi headshots constantly, its extra over kill and extra weight mantis with a barrel upgrade is way lighter still its whatever you want) and a Predator X(Good at delivering ammo types) everything maxed out except Fitness.

Quarian infiltrator? why bother...........

Salarian...listen to them because i dont like that infil.

Human is extremely versatile which is why its my main, your grenades are going to reek havok on reapers, and dont forget to cryoblast armored foes. Also get the radius upgrade for cryoblast and watch as you have excellent CC/self defense.

[Uh Cold]

darkblade wrote...

unless you plan on lining up multi headshots constantly

das me!

darkblade wrote...
Quarian infiltrator? why bother...........

geth

[Turin_4]

I really don't see much use in the thermal clip mod for any weapon on any class if you've actually got other mods. Even on Engineers and Adepts hitting powers as often as possible with only a Carnifex (IV in my case) on Gold runs, I rarely run out of ammo and when I do in the unlikely event the round isn't nearly over or I'm not close to an ammo crate, there's always the ubiquitous thermal clip supplies bump.

A couple things to do as an Infiltrator of any race on any difficulty level, that may or may not have been mentioned already. One, if you're using a single-shot sniper rifle, that reload time will be lengthy and you won't actually be doing anything but standing there-this is the perfect time to pan your camera around, dart back to check the hallway nobody is watching, hit an ammo crate, or even all three-there are several maps where you can do this is nearly complete safety, if you post up in the right area. This kind of thing-especially putting your eyes on other parts of the map-will be a frequent lifesaver for you and your team.

Another thing to do, again if you're using a single shot sniper rifle, is to fire off a power and then-hopefully while the target staggers or flinched-immediately fire your shot, even if it's into the body. In some cases, the cooldown from the power will be lower than the cloak after firing. You'll still get the Tactical Cloak's damage boost. Again if you plan on running with single shots, whenever you have a choice in any power between, I forget the numbers, say 10% force/power damage bonus or +20% headshot damage or +15% weapons damage, choose the power boost. You'll almost certainly hit many more body shots than headshots in any event, with a single shot your reload will be close to cooldown time anyway, meaning they nearly every shot you fire (which will be from cloak) will have a +x% dmg bonus, as opposed to all headshots having a +(x+5)% dmg bonus. (Actually, if someone could confirm this, I'd be grateful. I'm not entirely sure it applies to the bonus to cloak damage.

Let's see...another thing: on those take-and-hold objectives, don't be afraid to dart out of the blue circle to take shots while cloaked. The bonus to one extra player hacking is small, and an infiltrator is most useful when thinning out enemies far away without taking fire, not struggling to aim at a target two meters ahead in a crowded room. And you can dart back into the radius while reloading.

Unless a fight is nearly over, don't be afraid, on your next cloak, to dart out of the thick of things really quickly and take a shot from a safer location, still in the same cloak.

Be willing, unless you have a shot lined up right then, to rush for a downed ally, cloak when you're close, and revive. A revived ally is worth much more than an extra dead Maurauder or two thirty seconds sooner. Pay special attention on the 4-objective rounds to see if you need to solo them, as well as the priority target rounds. If you see the whole squad is slowly moving towards them, don't be a hero and try for invisi-solo captures or kills. If they're not, however, consider going for them-this is easier with a mic.

[TheAwesomologist]

Thanks for all the advice. Switched to my Salarian and used my Widow (dropped my SMG, went with a barrel mod and capacity). Kill count and usefulness went up big time.
Went from level 15 to 20 in a few hours. May even try some silver matches.

Thanks again everyone.

[Steven83]

It's a no brainer, really. Sabotage seems like a good skill, but overshadowed when Salarian has both damage and survivability from Energy Drain.

You can spam the crap out of that and has -30% sniper weight perk on rank 6 passive.
Enjoy the good times.