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[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

I didn't want to post my question in the title line, since someone might read it and learn a little bit about Isabella.  My question is: What type of pirate is Isabella?  Is she a "good" priate that only attacks and steals from "bad guy ships"?  She doesn't seem like the type to attack innocents.  In real life, pirates and BAD, but she doesn't seem all that bad, so I'm wondering if she only goes after slave ships or other criminal ships (bad guy pirates).  This is just an off-the-wall question.

[CuriousArtemis]

I imagine she makes her living attacking cargo ships, particularly if they are flying flags indicating they belong to a royal or some other rich personage.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

motomotogirl wrote...

I imagine she makes her living attacking cargo ships, particularly if they are flying flags indicating they belong to a royal or some other rich personage.

A regular pirate then, and not a Jack Sparrow sort of pirate?  In my game, Hawke will romance Merrill anyway. They sort of alluded to the fact Isabella had an STD of some sort.

Modifié par Sir Pounce-a-lot, 02 avril 2012 - 08:39 .

[CuriousArtemis]

I haven't seen the Pirates of the Caribbean movie in a few years so can't comment on the comparison. Well, the game is not very kind to Isabela, in regards to her being a sexually active single woman, so yeah, there are lots of (in my opinion) inappropriate jokes about her having an STD.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

motomotogirl wrote...

I haven't seen the Pirates of the Caribbean movie in a few years so can't comment on the comparison. Well, the game is not very kind to Isabela, in regards to her being a sexually active single woman, so yeah, there are lots of (in my opinion) inappropriate jokes about her having an STD.

Inappropriate?  The more sex partners that you have, the greater the chances are of getting an STD.  They more or less portrayed Isabella as half pirate and half prostitute. They never specifically declared that she was a part-time prostitute, but they clearly alluded to it. If nothing else, she definitely had many sex partners.

[CuriousArtemis]

There is nothing in the game that says Isabela is a prostitue; furthermore, she turns down potential partners multiple times in the game (No Rest for the Wicked, On the Loose).

This topic is in the wrong forum.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

motomotogirl wrote...

There is nothing in the game that says Isabela is a prostitue; furthermore, she turns down potential partners multiple times in the game (No Rest for the Wicked, On the Loose).

This topic is in the wrong forum.

As I said, it doesn't specifically say it.  In DA1, she was in The Pearl. In DA2, she makes references to having connections to The Blooming rose. Her "armor" consists of a skimpy dress with her boobs ready to fall out. The fact that she has turned men down doesn't change the fact that she's had many sex partners. If I have sex with 200 people and rejected 400, that still gives me a total of 200 sex partners, along with everyone else that each of those people had sex with for the past 10 years. That would be thousands, I'd imagine.

My original question was answered. She's a criminal.  That seems consistent with the literature too. Thanx.

[CuriousArtemis]

Seriously, why don't you just go write on her locker, "YOU'RE A FUGLY ****" ... Geez.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

motomotogirl wrote...

Seriously, why don't you just go write on her locker, "YOU'RE A FUGLY ****" ... Geez.

She's definitely not ugly.

[Kavatica]

Whoa. Whoa. Okay, first of all, Isabela - not a prostitute. She's sexual, yes, but I would hardly call her a prostitute. Don't be an Anders.

Secondly, she is a good pirate. She frees slavers and helps her friends. Yes, she is willing to look past things like petty theft and poison, but she has a big heart. If you stick with her to the end of the game in a romance that becomes pretty clear. She hides behind a lot of talk and a tough exterior but mostly she is a big softy.

Modifié par Kavatica, 03 avril 2012 - 03:38 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Don't bother, Kavatica. Some people will believe what they want to believe. Anyway, Isabela herself says she doesn't care what people think of her!

[Kavatica]

motomotogirl wrote...

Don't bother, Kavatica. Some people will believe what they want to believe. Anyway, Isabela herself says she doesn't care what people think of her!

I know. I just find the misogynistic undertones that often arise when discussing Isabela alarming (A woman who enjoys sex?! She must be a prostitute!). But it's nothing new. Sadly.

Modifié par Kavatica, 03 avril 2012 - 02:59 .

[Huntress]

Isabela is very active sexualy but that doesn't mean she get paid to go to bed with others ( as a ****, prost) Not were in the game it said isabela get paid to get laid, she do it because she likes it and because she gets bored.

Isabela is a criminal yes, so is Anders the moment he fled from the warden, so is merril for been blood mage, so is hawke if mage and not in a circle, so is fenris a slave scape for killing the people who only want to bring him back home, so is meredith for allowing mages to get raped or turned idiots, so is Varric for having "bussiness" in kirkwall but naming a cat or dog as owner, The Grand Cleric Elthina is a criminal for knowingly allowing abuses towards the mages when she is in charge of Meredith's Templars and they are duty-bound to obey her.
I can mention almost everyone in DA universe as a criminal.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

Isabella started that whole mess with the Qunari by stealing that book too. I suppose that you could call Merrill and Anders criminals, but they didn't violate the rights of innocent people like Isabella did. Merrill isn't really a standard blood Mage either. Her blood magic is limited to using some of her own blood to supplement her ordinary magical powers. She can't control minds, do blood sacrific, blood wound, etc. Chantry law isn't based on just, rational principles either. If makes about as much sense as Sharia law in Islamic theocracies. A rational person wouldn't put a woman in Afghanistan that refuses to wear a veil in the same category as a bank robber just because "they're both criminals".  As for Fenris, he was just defending himself. If you were captured by a human trafficker and sent off to another country to be a slave, and then escaped, would it be wrong to fight off the people sent after you just because they're "only trying to bring you home"?

Modifié par Sir Pounce-a-lot, 03 avril 2012 - 08:46 .

[Nightdragon8]

she also earns money by escorting ships, (which was the reason castion wasn't too happy about her freeing the slaves that where on the ship she was escorting)

ehh... I can call anders a criminal... considering what he does at the end... yea... big time. Sorry you don't blow up the third party to make a point to the people you are really trying to hurt....

[Kavatica]

Re: the Qunari. Isabela made a mistake. She wasn't aware of how important the relic was when she stole it, or of what the affect would be. When she comes back and "rescues" Hawke, you see this pretty clearly. And yes, she struggles with her "Dark Side". But don't we all? She's human. Ands most importantly, she is just trying to survive. She went through some pretty horrifying things as a child (I just read The Silent Grove #5 and got some more details on Isabela's "husband" and let me just say...disturbing). She is a woman struggling to survive in a corrupt society where women are often treated like chattel.

Modifié par Kavatica, 18 avril 2012 - 01:08 .

[MrsMime]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

You could say she lies/blows things up to conseal her vulnerability as a woman in a men's world.

She has a big heart . NOT A CRIMINAL.

Yes! Couldn't have said it better myself. Plus, the woman's been through some hell. And heaven forbid a female character be anything but chaste about her sexuality. If Fenris were as openly sexually active as her, nobody would be saying the game insinuated that he was a prostitute. Regardless, the game's allusions to Isabela's supposed STIs were untasteful.

Isabela is compassionate (something that you can't miss if, at the very least, you have her and Merrill in your party). She's no more a criminal than any of the other characters. She's strong, independent, and she's not shy about her sex life. That's it.