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[Cujo94]

So I have started up Dragon age: Orgins again and I have always been a mage because I feel you get the most of the story out of it plus the thrill that demons wanting to possess you. you are always fighting for survival. But anyway my point is the fade has some very interesting things that I have noticed.

A brief description: The Fade is a place that all races go to dream save for the dwarves. Now you have these special people that can tap into the fade and draw power from it giving that person Mana. through the consumption of lyrium a magical element the person be able to have full awareness in the fade.

I have just watched a movie called Insidious a pretty good movie gave me a few scares but the point is that movie has something similar the ability for a person to be fully aware in his/hers dreams. These people can be possessed by a demon aswell and when i first connected the two it gave me chills

This is not the only media that does something similar to what I have been writing about which would give more interesting insight.

if you have any more to add please do.

Edit: In dragon age 2 a boy is able to go into the fade at his will and is traped in there and cant wake up, is plagued by demons who want a taste of life, and someone is sent in to resuce him. Sound familar? (to those who seen Incidious)

Modifié par Cujo94, 02 avril 2012 - 09:22 .

[Davillo]

I have not seen insidious but from what your saying I'm sure someone in Bioware saw it and ripped it of a little. What is your theory?

[EmperorSahlertz]

Insidious is from 2011, Dragon Age is from 2009. I doubt BioWare ripped off Insidious....

[Davillo]

Like I said I haven't seen it so maybe someone from insidious been playin origins a little to much.

[slashthedragon]

I feel that Insidious was ripped off an 80s movie (need to find title), so that supersedes them both *lol*

[EmperorSahlertz]

Nah, I doubt anyone ripped eachother off here. It is an age old theme, of people going to another dimension when they dream. Dragon Age werent the first, and they aren't going to be the last. Warhammer Fantasy does something similar, and that is almost 25 years old by now.

[Cujo94]

Davillo wrote...

I have not seen insidious but from what your saying I'm sure someone in Bioware saw it and ripped it of a little. What is your theory?

 


Right in my haste i forgot to write it down my theory is maybe its based of a real thing ancient history from an old race. i guess its not as much as a theory as to more of a guess. I tried googling it but to no success. I'm positive Bioware didn't rip of anything as incidious came out after Dragon age and the fade( Dream World in other media) has a book that dates back too the 1980's. but anyway i will change the title to stop futher confusion.

[Lynata]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...
The demons/spirits inside the veil can get inside the person that is dreaming, or in case of mages using lyrium and enter the fade with their mind fully awake, and posses them. If the person that is being tapped isn't a magic user then the demon/spirit will search its mind to get information about the world outside the veil. If the person tapped is a mage it can get into the real world physically. This doesn't need to involve blood magic I think, but blood mages use that ability to increase their powers.

Mhm. Almost.

Mages don't need lyrium to be "aware" in their dreams, this happens every night when they go to sleep. They can use lyrium to enter this state at will, however, or even transport the consciousness of non-mages into their dreams. This is why mages are so much at risk from demonic possession - they can literally be confronted by a demon every single night.

Blood magic is just one of the many gifts that some demons use to lure mages into agreeing to some sort of deal, afaik. It has nothing to do with the Fade per se, it's just "magic+1" in that is has more power than mana alone - and as such would also have a stronger effect at weakening the Veil between the Fade and the real world (which might be another explanation for why so many demons are offering to teach it, hoping that the mages rip the Veil apart for them to break free).

... and now I'm intrigued where that whole "waking dream" stuff came from first. Could it have some real world mythological background or was it really some fantasy author just coming up with the idea out of nowhere?

I also remember an old episode of Outer Limits that dealt with the subject. I miss that show.

Modifié par Lynata, 02 avril 2012 - 11:09 .

[Lynata]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...
Monks in Tibet, Indians in the USA, Aboriginals in Australia, Maori in New zealand and much more cultures use it. Mostly these people are referred to as shamans, medicine man/woman, witches etc.

Damn, you're right - I think I've seen a documentation about the Aboriginals doing this many, many years ago! iirc they smoked something to move themselves into a sleeplike trance.

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...
In the game I think that the writers used some of all of that is known from all over the world in the game.

Most likely, yes, games such as these often take inspiration from real world mythology - it's quite fascinating how rich our own history is regarding such topics (I have phases where I really enjoy reading about Greek, Roman, <etc> folklore and the old gods).

[jbrand2002uk]

There is one addition Lynata though you have to play DA2 to see it as it focuses on Feynriel.

He is a Dreamer or somniari they can enter the fade at will without the need of lyrium and can actually control and shape the fade and even slay others that are dreaming at one time the dalish were masters of the somniari arts though stopped practicing it due to the inherent danger of it as of DA2's timeline on Tevinter still practices it

[Cujo94]

Thank you everyone this is some good stuff.

[avatoc]

my first reaction to the fade was: you mean the warp?

[LolaLei]

The fade is based is on that whole astral planing theory. I think I'd probably **** my pants if I managed to pull off a stunt like that in my sleep, I've read enough H.P. Lovecraft stuff to put me off trying to attempt astral projection for life!

Modifié par LolaLei, 14 avril 2012 - 01:26 .

[avatoc]

LolaLei wrote...

The fade is based is on that whole astral planing theory. I think I'd probably **** my pants if I managed to pull off a stunt like that in my sleep, I've read enough H.P. Lovecraft stuff to put me off trying to attempt astral projection for life!

Don't worry worst case scenario your min collapses in on itself....wait tha'ts kind of bad isn't it?

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

LolaLei wrote...

The fade is based is on that whole astral planing theory. I think I'd probably **** my pants if I managed to pull off a stunt like that in my sleep, I've read enough H.P. Lovecraft stuff to put me off trying to attempt astral projection for life!

Out-of-body experiences aren't really dreams. Your consciousness is outside of your body, but still in this universe.  My mom had an obe during a surgery, and she was right there in the operating room watching the doctors working on her from several feet above her body.

[LolaLei]

avatoc wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

The fade is based is on that whole astral planing theory. I think I'd probably **** my pants if I managed to pull off a stunt like that in my sleep, I've read enough H.P. Lovecraft stuff to put me off trying to attempt astral projection for life!

Don't worry worst case scenario your min collapses in on itself....wait tha'ts kind of bad isn't it?

LOL! That sounds terrible!

[LolaLei]

Sir Pounce-a-lot wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

The fade is based is on that whole astral planing theory. I think I'd probably **** my pants if I managed to pull off a stunt like that in my sleep, I've read enough H.P. Lovecraft stuff to put me off trying to attempt astral projection for life!

Out-of-body experiences aren't really dreams. Your consciousness is outside of your body, but still in this universe.  My mom had an obe during a surgery, and she was right there in the operating room watching the doctors working on her from several feet above her body.

Lol, I'm still not gonna try it... y'know, just in case!

Modifié par LolaLei, 19 avril 2012 - 03:36 .

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

Filament wrote...

Your consciousness imagines itself to be outside its body, whether it actually is is doubtful at best. I suspect if anyone would approach it with a skeptical eye they would notice that the world would not actually conform to reality so as to be a legitimate 'out of body' experience.

People often times see things during obes from vantage points that are not physically possible. My mom saw details of the operation that she later told her surgeon about. Those details were real.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

Filament wrote...

Eh, I tend to lean more toward the position that the fickleness of human perception, memory, etc. is paramount. Eyewitnesses to murder scenes, for instance, are often 100% sure they saw so-and-so, and 100% wrong, sometimes because of shoddy policework subtly leading them to favor a certain suspect in a lineup, rewriting their own memory to match the new reality. I'd apply the same skepticism to anecdotal accounts of paranormal experiences... maybe she overheard things while she was put under, maybe her memory of the event adjusted to confirm the doctor's account or vice versa, etc. There's always "no explanation" (aside from the supernatural) until there's an explanation, something crucial overlooked. But... I believe you believe it. And anything is possible.

Anything is possible ... everything other than that which challenges your view of reality?  Out-of-body experiences and "remote viewing" are real.  Here's a video of a neuroscientist explaining the inter-connectedness of minds and remote viewing.  At about 8:20 in the video, he starts talking about remote viewing:

Modifié par Sir Pounce-a-lot, 17 avril 2012 - 04:20 .