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[CptData]

RShara wrote...

Let's try this:
Thane Progression

Silly Google resizing my images

There you go - added. ^^

Modifié par CptData, 03 avril 2012 - 03:35 .

[rudenotginger]

There are a lot of good ideas in there. Good work. One problem: For the Joker romance (which I would be very much for), having a mission to rescue his sister ouldn't work, unless they remove the PTSD soldier in Huerta memorial. Hillary Moreau was killed by the Asari soldier, possibly before we even get to the Citadel since the soldier is there talking to her therapist the first time we get there.

[MrNose]

Rdubs wrote...

Oh the other thing I was disappointed in, which Data's ideas would fix, is how similar the outcomes were between if you stayed loyal and if you cheated. At least with Ashley I've heard there's only one line of dialogue that's different and you can basically choose to ignore your ME2 interest. Not to start up yet another list of promises made about ME3, but there was a big deal made about "consequences" of cheating. I was hoping that staying faithful would allow the romance subplot to proceed faster than just the right-before-final-chapter scene like in the other two games. I think Data's idea would fix that, if you stayed faithful it would "pull forward" the romance scene. Then to replace the current romance scene right before the final battle, you get a conversation about, let's just say, "long-term plans together" after the fight is over.

In terms of this, the story "as-is" makes more sense if you've cheated with Miranda than if you haven't:  

Ashley angrily mentions Miranda, Shepard retorts that Ashley had already rejected him, and then later, full of doubt about his loyalty to the Alliance, Ashley pulls a gun on him at the Citadel.

In the scenarios where he stayed loyal to her, she just seems capricious with her suspicions.  

Modifié par MrNose, 03 avril 2012 - 03:40 .

[Little Princess Peach]

So really you want a dragon age romance were you can romance everybody but in better detail?

[Rdubs]

MrNose wrote...

In terms of this, the story "as-is" makes more sense if you've cheated with Miranda than if you haven't:  

Ashley angrily mentions Miranda, Shepard retorts that Ashley had already rejected him, and then later, full of doubt about his loyalty to the Alliance, Ashley pulls a gun on him at the Citadel.

In the scenarios where he stayed loyal to her, she just seems capricious with her suspicions. 

Even if you were loyal she pulls a gun on you regardless, even if you didn't go anywhere near a romance in ME2.  If your reputation is high enough, bought her the gift and chose paragon responses (including the interrupt) when talking with her earlier she will trust you and put away her weapon.  I've heard that is also the case if you cheated.

[zennyrpg]

CptData wrote...

zennyrpg wrote...

To broaden the scope I suggest this
should be a "Characters and Romances" dlc. The extra missions should be
available regardless of who you romance and there should be extra
non-romance dialog as well (as stated in OP).

I'm fine with Thane
dying. I think you should be able to recruit Kolyat after he does and
reflect on your relationship with Thane with him.

Kolyat may be a good idea.
Think the "Thane-semi-cure plot" should get introduced for true Thane fans. Not everyone is into that "love-father-love-son" trope *g*

Perhaps.  I just feel like it would make Thane's romance really unique.  I also feel the most insulting thing about Thane's romance is the way it is barely acknowledged and then he dies and that is barely acknowledged.  For me, those are the things I would like fixed.

Saving Thane seems too easy.  Perhaps you could make some decision about whether the Hanar should be helping on the crucible/something or working on the drell cure?  That would blur the line on wither saving Thane is strictly optimal.

[Skullheart]

Regarding Miranda, I think it should work better this way:

Keep the same way it is until the third talk. Remove the "love scene" from there. Let's face it, it isn't a love scene, just an extended version of the third talk. A love scene shouldn't be part of a non romance scene.

At the end of Sanctuary, Miranda and Oriana boards the Normandy, you can talk with both of them on the medical bay (Miranda was injured in her fight againt Leng).

During their stay on the Normandy you can add a discussion betwen Oriana and Miranda. Oriana wants to help to the war effort, helping with the crucible team (remember that Oriana is as smart as Miranda), Miranda wants to send her to a safe colony, away from the reapers. If Shepard has enough reputation he can convince Miranda to let Oriana helps in the Crucible, telling her that there's no point in hiding anymore, the reapers will reach that colony if they don't stop them. If Shepard hasn't enough reputation he can still send Oriana to the Crucible, but it will end the romance with Miranda.

After the talk in the medical bay there should be a talk betwen Shepard, Hackett and Miranda. Hacket will bring the issue of her being a former Cerberus operative, the second-in-command no less. Shepard can say that Miranda just gave them the location of of TIM's base, risking her life while she put a tracker on Leng. Hackett acknoweledges her contribution, saying he got a messagge from certan official about Miranda and some of her contacts taking out Cerberus outposts, and warning the Allience from Cerberus routes and traps. Hackett will offer her a full indult, for whatever she could have or haven't done while she was in Cerberus. He also offers her a position inside the Alliance as a civil consultor on his ship, Shepard can persuade her to take the position or to remain on the Normandy. Depending in the decision, she could be part of the ground team (and squad member) on Earth, or she'll be on board in the Alliance flagship (Hackett's ship?) coordinating assault teams on ground and space fighters during the battle for Earth.

She will still be a squadmate during the assault on TIM's base. The love scene will happen while travelling to TIM's base, just like the favored romances. During the mission she offers new insights about Lazarus project, Shepard cant talk with her about her past with Cerberus. And she'll have confrontation (dialogue) with TIM, something that me (and many of her fans) wanted.

After the attack to Cerberus HQ, when Hacket boards the Normandy, she can remain on the ship, or join Hackett on his ship (depending on the option shepard made before attacking TIM's base}. If she leaves with Hackett, Shepard will give her a passionate kiss before she leaves.

Before the final push to the beam, you can talk with her. Being in person (if she stayed on the Normandy) or holovid (if she left with Hackett), making a promise to stay find each other after the reapers.

I can't talk much about of what could happen as epilogue or in the endings. Just correct that no one from the party and Cortez should be on the Normandy when it crashes on Gilligan's planet (they were on Earth, not in the Normandy). And changing the damn flashback of Liara, I never romanced her and don't have intention of doing it. Walters, keep your waifu away of my Shepard.

I'll post what I think of how should the romance with Jack should have been done.

Modifié par Skullheart, 03 avril 2012 - 06:13 .

[CptData]

^ I like your idea, Skullheart. You may try to give your post a slightly better structure and that one could be used as a more detailled idea for a specific character - in your case Miranda.


@ zennyrpg
Not sure if "saving Thane" is that easy. It may depend on the special mission. It could be done in a way the player has to work hard for to get through it - like a decision at some point. I'm not here to design that mission or to flesh out any detail - it's just an idea.


@ Tali-vas-normandy:
Meh, I never played DA:O. Heard you have a bit more freedom (like kissing your LI at any given point), but that's it.
So if my DLC idea comes close to DA:O ... you can see it like that. I hadn't that game in my mind however.

rudenotginger wrote...

There are a lot of good ideas in there. Good work. One problem: For the Joker romance (which I would be very much for), having a mission to rescue his sister ouldn't work, unless they remove the PTSD soldier in Huerta memorial. Hillary Moreau was killed by the Asari soldier, possibly before we even get to the Citadel since the soldier is there talking to her therapist the first time we get there. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png

That issue can be solved by removing that dialogue or altering it in a way it's no longer hinted it's Joker's sister.
Shouldn't be too difficult.

Modifié par CptData, 03 avril 2012 - 06:42 .

[exterminator_]

I will support also romance with Aria t'loak, cause you cant romance with her at all :S

She is the only Asari that i like

[wildannie]

Supported, I would probably play the price of the CE again if it would fix the ME2 exclusive LIs

[IkarusUK]

Totally support this

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Awesome thread data!

[Mallorn]

Your idea is great, CptData, you have my sword, etc., but I doubt they will listen to you. That would be too big for DLC.
Or maybe they'll choose one or two most popular characters and do something about them, to please their fanbases.
Or they'll do yet another Liara DLC;)

[kookman]

besides an ending dlc this is the dlc i want the most from bioware

[RShara]

I improved the Thane flowchart

Now with Text Bubbles

[Jafryn]

CptData wrote...



- If recruited, the LI will resist in Shepard's cabin.

Well... ah...

[zennyrpg]

CptData wrote...
@ zennyrpg
Not sure if "saving Thane" is that easy. It may depend on the special mission. It could be done in a way the player has to work hard for to get through it - like a decision at some point. I'm not here to design that mission or to flesh out any detail - it's just an idea.

Thanks for the response Data You've been doing a wonderful job with this thread.

If saving Thane is non-trivial (you actually have to sacrifice something else to save him) I could get behind the idea.  I guess I'm just a competitionist so of course I would save Thane.  If there was some trade off it would make saving him or not a real decision instead of "he died because you ignored him."  Which, if his death was easily preventable, would make me feel like a jerk.  Not to mention it would make his death seem totally pointless.  I guess my point is that if saving Thane is an option, then not saving him should be a legitimate full fledged option as well.

@Skullheart
I <3 your miranda post.

[darthnick427]

I approve and I'm on board a hundred percent

[TERASQUE]

Read this twice now, so..... *bump*

[draconian139]

I'd love it if they did this as an expansion even at full price as long as you didn't have to romance them to get them as a squadmate/do their mission. Kasumi for example is one of my favorite characters but her and my Shepard are just great friends. I'd still love to have more content including her as well as the other squadmates. Bonus points to Bioware if they get Kasumi/Jacob together in this if neither of them are romanced by Shepard(easter egg like the Tali/Garrus one would work fine).

[CptData]

draconian139 wrote...

I'd love it if they did this as an expansion even at full price as long as you didn't have to romance them to get them as a squadmate/do their mission. Kasumi for example is one of my favorite characters but her and my Shepard are just great friends. I'd still love to have more content including her as well as the other squadmates. Bonus points to Bioware if they get Kasumi/Jacob together in this if neither of them are romanced by Shepard(easter egg like the Tali/Garrus one would work fine).

Lets say I support the idea about "make the missions avaiable to everyone". However, I don't think you should be able to get Jacob, Miranda, Jack or Thane back on the Normandy at the same time - just the LI.
In one case it may reduce the amount of needed lines since at least those four characters won't interact that much / at all. It also makes the LI feeling special since that LI wants to follow you into certain death then. Making all four characters available would take away that idea. And third: being able to recruit only one of those four gives you a reason to replay the series to get the other three as well.

In short: that's one of the key features I'd love to see [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Dunno what to do with Kasum / Zaeed right now, I need to think about them.
Don't see any option to get Jacob and Kasumi in touch

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Sure, I'm down with this.

However, it DOES make ME detractors correct in making ME3 a glorified dating sim.

[HurricaneGinger]

I support this 100%!

[BobZilla84]

I think that Bioware needs to consider doing something like this because the reality is that the main Romance Options of Mass Effect 3 The VS, Liara,and Team Dextro are just not everyone's Favorites while they are great characters alot of fan's myself included prefer the Mass Effect 2 Options myself I prefer Miranda and Jack myself.

The general consensus I keep hearing from alot of People on here and other sites is that they don't support great Ideas like these because Mass Effect is not a dating Sim so stop trying to make it one.

Nobody is making Mass Effect into anything whats wrong with fixing one of Mass Effect 3's biggest Flaws which we all can agree the way the handled The entire Love Intrest Situation.

Also about Kasumi/Jacob I think that should not happen and thats not just my biased opinion as a supporter of Shepard/Kasumi.

I mean Bioware straight up guts the Female Shepard/Jacob Romance by making Jacob cheat with Brynn Cole which was just bad writing and decision making two things that seem to be a mainstay with Bioware these days.

I am looking forward to the Pax Panels for Both Dragon Age and Mass Effect both should be intresting I am hoping we get some news about Dragon Age 3 and Mass Effect 3.

Modifié par BobZilla 2k10, 05 avril 2012 - 10:00 .

[baibai_baby]

I always felt the dating sim comparison to be a bit forced - at least in terms of Mass Effect. I remember initially at least that marketing and directing promoted the game to feel like a blockbuster movie in-a-game experience, and by following the typical Hollywood formula getting the girl or guy is part of that experience. The RPG element means that additionally you shouldn't just be shoe-horned into only the most convenient options. You can save the galaxy multiple times but it is the variety found in character interactions that would make the experience unique for the player.

I'm all for these ideas and would throw my money at them should they be developed! At this rate even an actual ingame acknowledgement and conclusion to the Thane romance would placate me - there is only so long I can promote drell adepts in multi-player. But I am glad there are bigger and better ideas being made and promoted on the forums!