575 réponses à ce sujet

[Ashilana]

Viper371 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...

I don't get it. I thought Chobot was ok in the game, and she's more than "entitled" to her own opinion of the Retake movement.

Personally, I don't think anyone should criticise Retake without having played the game.

and in this case, she did not.  She did not criticize the "Retake" movement.  And she's entitled to her opinion.  You disagree fine.  Lots of people disagree, ok.  But don't go to personal attacks of hate mail, it just proves that gamers are immature kids to those who think of us as such.

Actually, the problem is that she did critize the retake folks, she critized anyone who complained about the ending.

[Cobra's_back]

Ashilana wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...
Totally correct , She was unprofessional and did not represent the company well.

It really is too bad that the gaming industry is so underdeveloped... in any other large scale industry a company cannot insult their customers, sell them unfinished products and then have the so called reviewers brow beat the customers for complaining.

I wonder if this is the core of the reason why Forbes has taken an interest in this entire mess.  From a purely academic stand point, the situation is wonderful... a graduate student could do a nice dissertation on how an underdeveloped industry can be so disfunctional.

Totally correct. Forbes cares about businesses that can be profitable. This was sad.

[tomcplotts]

Kingofdragoons wrote...

That was an appology? That looks more like an underhanded remark about her needing to be "better then us." Gosh... everything I see that has to do with her just makes me like her less and less.

That's how I read it, too. Worst apology yet from any one of the villains. She's only sorry that she might have lost eyeballs on IGN.

Nevermind that now-extinct phrase "conflict of interest".

Modifié par tomcplotts, 03 avril 2012 - 02:19 .

[atum]

I'm glad their little publicity stunt backfired. Hopefully this will be a lesson.

[Sinarion13]

tomcplotts wrote...

Kingofdragoons wrote...

That was an appology? That looks more like an underhanded remark about her needing to be "better then us." Gosh... everything I see that has to do with her just makes me like her less and less.

That's how I read it, too. Worst apology yet from any one of the villains. She's only sorry that she might have lost eyeballs on IGN.

This platform evaluates both sentences to return truth in meaning and factual functions.

Modifié par Sinarion13, 03 avril 2012 - 02:20 .

[Deviija]

Oh brother. She can say whatever she wants, it doesn't make it some holy word of Enkindlers. It is her opinion. We all have them. What she said wasn't horrifyingly offensive, she just doesn't care for the movement or, at least, some of the vocal people involved. It's fine. She apologized for a certain part of her prior words, and that's fine too. No need to kick her around or beat a dead horse.

[Cobra's_back]

tomcplotts wrote...

Kingofdragoons wrote...

That was an appology? That looks more like an underhanded remark about her needing to be "better then us." Gosh... everything I see that has to do with her just makes me like her less and less.

That's how I read it, too. Worst apology yet from any one of the villains. She's only sorry that she might have lost eyeballs on IGN.

Nevermind that now-extinct phrase "conflict of interest".

This, Right you are.
It was totally unprofessional behavior and conflicts because they are supposed to be neutral.

[Dendio1]

Ashilana wrote...

Viper371 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...

I don't get it. I thought Chobot was ok in the game, and she's more than "entitled" to her own opinion of the Retake movement.

Personally, I don't think anyone should criticise Retake without having played the game.

and in this case, she did not.  She did not criticize the "Retake" movement.  And she's entitled to her opinion.  You disagree fine.  Lots of people disagree, ok.  But don't go to personal attacks of hate mail, it just proves that gamers are immature kids to those who think of us as such.

Actually, the problem is that she did critize the retake folks, she critized anyone who complained about the ending.

Whats the problem with her criticisms? Shes human she has opinions right? Must we be PR'd into bull**** around every corner? She spoke her mind, free country. I agree that she should not have wasted her time arguing with people who seem to have an agenda against her. Poor Chobot, the dogs are out tonight

[humes spork]

Bleachrude wrote...

*did you NOT read the rest of my post?*

I explicitly mention part of the reason why Kennedy's reporting was so powerful. It WAS the fact that usually, Cronkite was a flat, toneless and had no emotion whatsoever in his reporting...

Seriously, go to youtube and watch/listen to his reporting the news segment.Are you honestly saying that this isn't just plain flat when Cronkite speaks?

Look, I'm not saying that her VO work is beautfil but it is completely neutral (and at least better than the hammy speech Martina Sirtis gave as Matriarch Benzenia)

Yes, I did, and with all due respect you're completely arguing ex culo.

Take of this what you will, but my background and field of study are politics, and I have a fair amount of public speaking experience. The largest crowd before which I've spoken was around 30,000, and many a year ago I would speak before crowds ranging from 200-2,000 with regularity. And, I can tell you from personal experience that of all the tones to set and maintain when engaging in public speaking a neutral one is by far the hardest. It's a skill which actually eludes me, to some consternation.

It's entirely too easy to speak with emotion. It's basically human nature. When you're speaking in a neutral tone, you have to be extraordinarily careful how you time yourself and how you inflect and intone, because you continually run the risk of slipping into monotone and losing your audience's attention, or on the other side slipping into speaking with emotion and miscommunicating to your audience. Of the two, slipping into monotone is by far the worst and easiest mistake to make, because you can recover from a misspoken word but once you lose the audience's attention, you're done. I cannot possibly overstate how difficult that actually is to pull off well.

Cronkite's elocution is in no way flat or monotone. His speech was deliberately subtle, empathetic, and calming, and he knew precisely how to elicit that response. He was a master of the spoken word; you call out the fact reporters don't do that any more, and the simple fact is they lack the skill of Cronkite, Edward Murrow, or even Dan Rather. And, sadly enough, even if they did it has little place in today's personality-driven 24-hour news cycle.

And, as directly pertains to this thread, that careful sense of timing and intonation is what Chobot's performance lacks. People speak of her voice work being wooden, shallow, and unemotional, and this is why.

Modifié par humes spork, 03 avril 2012 - 02:33 .

[Cobra's_back]

Dendio1 wrote...

Ashilana wrote...

Viper371 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...

I don't get it. I thought Chobot was ok in the game, and she's more than "entitled" to her own opinion of the Retake movement.

Personally, I don't think anyone should criticise Retake without having played the game.

and in this case, she did not.  She did not criticize the "Retake" movement.  And she's entitled to her opinion.  You disagree fine.  Lots of people disagree, ok.  But don't go to personal attacks of hate mail, it just proves that gamers are immature kids to those who think of us as such.

Actually, the problem is that she did critize the retake folks, she critized anyone who complained about the ending.

Whats the problem with her criticisms? Shes human she has opinions right? Must we be PR'd into bull**** around every corner? She spoke her mind, free country. I agree that she should not have wasted her time arguing with people who seem to have an agenda against her. Poor Chobot, the dogs are out tonight

She works for a company and what she stated reflects on that company. Those are the rules of a corporation.
If I violated that rule, I could have found myself in HR and trying hard to fix it. It is called damage control.

[Dendio1]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

tomcplotts wrote...

Kingofdragoons wrote...

That was an appology? That looks more like an underhanded remark about her needing to be "better then us." Gosh... everything I see that has to do with her just makes me like her less and less.

That's how I read it, too. Worst apology yet from any one of the villains. She's only sorry that she might have lost eyeballs on IGN.

Nevermind that now-extinct phrase "conflict of interest".

This, Right you are.
It was totally unprofessional behavior and conflicts because they are supposed to be neutral.

She should have never replied in the first place. The internet is unreasonable. I dont know why but alot of people dont like her right now. Personally I found her voice work to be subpar compared to the rest of the cast, but It was far from detrimental to the game. Yea she was cute and she gave responses just like every other crew member after missions.

I dont think she was a terrible anything and Im not going to flip tables if she shows up again. the other voice actors had way more experiance, give her some time.

[Dendio1]

She works for a company and what she stated reflects on that company. Those are the rules of a corporation.
If I violated that rule, I could have found myself in HR and trying hard to fix it. It is called damage control.

I agree she should have not wasted her time responding nothing good could come out of it.

Now that thats settled, I find it funny that people were saying some very hurtful things as if to goad her on. She finally responds in kind and then those same people (not you) point fingers and call her out of line.

By the nature of her blog anything she directs towards some of us, is directed to all of us. Be reasonable, its obvious that she was focusing on the loud minority of folks with her comments. The quiet majority probably does not know who she is and do not care enough to argue for or against her inclusion.

Lets just all get along:o

Modifié par Dendio1, 03 avril 2012 - 02:36 .

[Cobra's_back]

Dendio1 wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

tomcplotts wrote...

Kingofdragoons wrote...

That was an appology? That looks more like an underhanded remark about her needing to be "better then us." Gosh... everything I see that has to do with her just makes me like her less and less.

That's how I read it, too. Worst apology yet from any one of the villains. She's only sorry that she might have lost eyeballs on IGN.

Nevermind that now-extinct phrase "conflict of interest".

This, Right you are.
It was totally unprofessional behavior and conflicts because they are supposed to be neutral.

She should have never replied in the first place. The internet is unreasonable. I dont know why but alot of people dont like her right now. Personally I found her voice work to be subpar compared to the rest of the cast, but It was far from detrimental to the game. Yea she was cute and she gave responses just like every other crew member after missions.

I dont think she was a terrible anything and Im not going to flip tables if she shows up again. the other voice actors had way more experiance, give her some time.

Don't get me wrong. I don't dislike her. This was a terrible mistake. I'm sure she learned from it.

[lillitheris]

Dendio1 wrote...

Ashilana wrote...

Viper371 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...

I don't get it. I thought Chobot was ok in the game, and she's more than "entitled" to her own opinion of the Retake movement.

Personally, I don't think anyone should criticise Retake without having played the game.

and in this case, she did not.  She did not criticize the "Retake" movement.  And she's entitled to her opinion.  You disagree fine.  Lots of people disagree, ok.  But don't go to personal attacks of hate mail, it just proves that gamers are immature kids to those who think of us as such.

Actually, the problem is that she did critize the retake folks, she critized anyone who complained about the ending.

Whats the problem with her criticisms? Shes human she has opinions right? Must we be PR'd into bull**** around every corner? She spoke her mind, free country. I agree that she should not have wasted her time arguing with people who seem to have an agenda against her. Poor Chobot, the dogs are out tonight

What's the problem with OUR criticisms?

A “human with opinions” – quite strong derogatory opinions – about an issue that she does not understand (not having played the game in this case) should expect to be set straight.

Again, that doesn't excuse personal attacks, but arguing that point is a strawman.

[Beerfish]

I have no problem with her or anyone else having a blunt opinion. In my opinion the ending sucked, was far worse than the ME1 or 2 endings and was totally not befitting of the end of a three game series that was epic in scope and tremendous throughout in so many ways. The endings flat out stunk and it amazes me that people who made the game seem surprised by it all.

In this case the "whine fest" was pretty well justified, unlike the DA2 whinefest. Almost universally the games biggest fans thought the endings where horrific.

[Lavits75]

I think they only problem I have is that you can't work for a review company and voice opinions insulting a majority. It reflects badly on the company, showing employees insulting gamers. And it shows the review company to be completely biased.

On top of THAT, she didn't even finish the game. She did voice acting for ONE game in a MINOR role and then turned around and acted like she had a right to criticize fans who have proven to be the majority and have clearly solid points.

[royceclemens]

Look, I bear Miss Chobot no personal ill will. I bet she's a very nice person, and a decent bowler to boot. She lives to be a hundred and immensely wealthy, it's cool with me.

And yet...

She was in Mass Effect 3. And she was listed under "Special Thanks" for Dragon Age II. So her name showing up in the credits of a BioWare game kinda... sorta... bodes ill.

Maybe we could try... y'know... NOT putting her name in the credits for the next one? Just to see what happens? Please? Like I said, she's most likely a great person, possessed of humanity and virtue too good for this world. That still doesn't change the fact every ship she's on runs aground..

[balance5050]

 So, has anybody commented on how she said 
"when it comes to the ME3 ending (and my work in progress with it)" 

just from a speculative standpoint.

[shnellegaming]

She has character good for her.

[Animositisomina]

balance5050 wrote...

 So, has anybody commented on how she said 
"when it comes to the ME3 ending (and my work in progress with it)" 

just from a speculative standpoint.

She's referring to the fact that she has not yet finished playing the game herself. It's a work-in-progress.

[humes spork]

She's referring to the fact that she has not yet finished playing the game herself. It's a work-in-progress. 

I sincerely hope so, lest I find myself in the strange position of admitting Bioware potentially found a way against all odds to make the ending worse.

Modifié par humes spork, 03 avril 2012 - 03:01 .

[csmokey]

OK but its not your apology I want

[Animositisomina]

humes spork wrote...

She's referring to the fact that she has not yet finished playing the game herself. It's a work-in-progress. 

I sincerely hope so, lest I find myself in the strange position of admitting Bioware potentially found a way against all odds to make the ending worse.

That... I don't even want to think about that.

[sfam]

Ashilana wrote...

Viper371 wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...

I don't get it. I thought Chobot was ok in the game, and she's more than "entitled" to her own opinion of the Retake movement.

Personally, I don't think anyone should criticise Retake without having played the game.

and in this case, she did not.  She did not criticize the "Retake" movement.  And she's entitled to her opinion.  You disagree fine.  Lots of people disagree, ok.  But don't go to personal attacks of hate mail, it just proves that gamers are immature kids to those who think of us as such.

Actually, the problem is that she did critize the retake folks, she critized anyone who complained about the ending.

But she apologized.  Like, she said she was sorry and over-reacted due to hurt feelings on her part.  You get that there are thousands of you and only one of her, right?   Like, forgive her already.  

So you didn't like the VA - imagine how she feels being trashed for this as well.  Again, she's probably human behind that keyboard - her pain has GOT to be far worse than ours.  After all, we just got pissed that the game ending we were totally invested in was a complete tangent having nothing to do with the previous 3 games - she's gotten publicly trashed across the internet.

Modifié par sfam, 03 avril 2012 - 03:16 .

[Varus Praetor]

Can we all just agree that cameos by people who are not professional voice actors is NOT a good thing in games where the voice acting is at the level that it is in the ME series? No one from the gaming journalism community was going to do a good job voicing the war correspondent.

Cameos were fine back when games weren't fully voiced. Now they need to be relegated to text based media like in-game emails, books, or codex entries.