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[KingKhan03]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I just don't like that she got a full 3D model and Tali got a picture.

This.

[CoyoteLovely]

Nashiktal wrote...

Soaringeagle78 wrote...

I didn't really hate Allers. If anything I took her onboard the Normandy and just ignored her for the rest of the game, other than the interviews. The only thing that I'm remotely mad over is the fact that since Bioware took the time to do all of this for a cameo, imagine the time they could have taken to actually add on stuff that we wanted.(For me, more detailed LI interaction)

They put more effort into chobot, a character you barely interact with in ME3, than Tali, and by extension the quarian people.

Chobot gets a full character model in all its uncanney glory, Tali and the Quarians? A bad photoshop that removes some fingers and changes the skin tone.

I don't hate Chobot but I definitely did not approve of her presence in the game after that fact.

/agree 

Had Tali gotten the attention she deserved, and the ending not been rushed - the sell out to Chobot would have been nothing more than me wondering if they couldn't get the voice actress for Wong back.

[Cobra's_back]

sfam wrote...

Ashilana wrote...

sfam wrote...

But she apologized.  Like, she said she was sorry and over-reacted due to hurt feelings on her part.  You get that there are thousands of you and only one of her, right?   Like, forgive her already.  

So you didn't like the VA - imagine how she feels being trashed for this as well.  Again, she's probably human behind that keyboard - her pain has GOT to be far worse than ours.  After all, we just got pissed that the game ending was a complete tangent having nothing to do with the previous 3 games - she's gotten publicly trashed across the internet.

And she got paid. 

If you take money from people, then insult them, then apologize... guess what, they still get to be a little peeved.  Especially if your role in the business seems like a severe conflict of interest to begin with.

If she had stayed silent about the game, she would be footnote in the whole mess.  But now, I think anyone who writes a history of this who debacle will have to give her a big place in their summary of events.

I disagree.  Nobody will remember anything about the Mass Effect series other than how Bioware was able to completely destroy one of the most awesome franchises with the last 5 minutes in the third game.  Nothing else will ever be in the discussion. 

But honestly, this is no different from CNN commentators being in political movies - its hardly a crazed conflict of interest of epic proportions.   Her place in the summary of events will be a minor footnote at best.

But again, she apologized.  What more would you have her do?  Like really - that's kind of all you can do.  I suppose a video of her groveling and eating pink slime or something might do it, but isn't an apology enough?

Sadly, it is an issue of trust and credibility. I can only hope this lesson does not haunt her. People have been fired for making stupid comments. She is in the public eye and she represents a corporation. I’m sure her HR department had advised all employees to be careful of what they say in public.
To answer your question getting on her knee and begging isn’t the answer. Some people may continue to trust and others may not. There is a difference between accepting an apology and trusting an individual that has compromised their position by not being impartial.
I wish her well.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Foxhound2121 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Jealous Beauty wrote...

Out of curiosity, how did these forums react to Felicia Day in the DA2 DLC? Did she catch the same level of flak as Jessica Chobot?

No, she did not.

Felicia Day is a good actress though. She has been doing it for a long time and has experience. You are getting a good voice actress for marketing reasons. A win win scenario.

Chobot was a real sacrifice for nothing more than marketing. No experience. Just a really bad deal when you lose value in your product for marketing.

Lessons to be learned for everyone. Barack Obama as a voice actor might be a good installment for marketing in Dragon Age 3, but if he can't act, he doesn't belong there. 

I think we all know Obama can voice act inb4 political ****storm.

If Chobot really wants to show she is sorry how bout some naughty pics.

On a more serious note, I hadn;t any idea I had been insulted by Chobot, she may have had a negative response to our negative feedback, but eh progress is progress soon the medi will convert once all the facts have been presented, that or on the 6th the first wave of RME gets slaughtered under a wave of disdain and gives up on the line.

[Sett101]

Dendio1 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Jealous Beauty wrote...

Out of curiosity, how did these forums react to Felicia Day in the DA2 DLC? Did she catch the same level of flak as Jessica Chobot?

No, she did not.

Well I for one am ashamed of the baseless flaming and hate speech directed upon poor Chobot.

LOL are you kidding she is best known as "the chick who licked a PSP" Hate speech lol when was cheap a protected group? The mustang ranch needs to know right away. Felicia Day is an actress and comedian not some chick known for licking things. The fact another female VA was fired aka killed in game to make a spot for a reviewer is just insulting and sad. If she didn't expect a reviewer working for a reveiwee, getting another liked NPC removed, and then being blah at best was going to bring heat she is exactly as stupid as people are saying.

OH NOES I hope homland security doesn't read this hate speach. lols silly people.

[THEE_DEATHMASTER]

I don't know who Chobot even was before this game, I don't pay attention to IGN. That being said, her VA was fine but I think I might've preferred Al-Jilani taking her role. Want her off your ship? Punch!

[Almostfaceman]

She apologized before I was aware I was insulted. That's the magic of the internet. Good on her. :-)

[wesr]

I thought this was her apologizing for using her position as a staff member of a game industry bribed "journalism" company to get in the game.

[sfam]

Ashilana wrote...

sfam wrote...

I disagree.  For starters, Bioware is a corporation, with lots of people, PR and management included who can craft an apology, whereas Jessica is a person, who admited being personally hurt by the attacks of her VA and participation.  I found Bioware's apology lacking. I found Jessica's more than fine.  I'm assuming she did it herself - and again, I'm just going out on a limb and assuming she's actually a human being with feelings and stuff - people hurt and embarrased or attacked don't always sound like slick PR folk or come up with completely contrite responses.

I'm just saying we should probably take her apology as just that and move the focus back to Bioware and the fiasco that the last 5 minutes brought.

I guess I am a little more harsh than you are when it comes to professional and unprofessional behavior.  If she was just some random person posting on her blog, then yes, anything she says is fine (within the law).  Yay for free speech.  But since she is commenting on a project that she worked on as a professional, I don't think she is owed any concern from the public regarding her feelings.

That sounds horribly calous, but I think there is a reason why business and personal life should not mix.

Cool.  We differ on that, but what's the recourse you would like?  She already apologized.  If that's not enough than what is?

[sfam]

KingKhan03 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

I just don't like that she got a full 3D model and Tali got a picture.

This.

+1

[TheLostGenius]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I just don't like that she got a full 3D model and Tali got a picture.

Tali has a full 3D model?? moving on...<_<

[Cobra's_back]

sfam wrote...

Ashilana wrote...

sfam wrote...

I disagree.  For starters, Bioware is a corporation, with lots of people, PR and management included who can craft an apology, whereas Jessica is a person, who admited being personally hurt by the attacks of her VA and participation.  I found Bioware's apology lacking. I found Jessica's more than fine.  I'm assuming she did it herself - and again, I'm just going out on a limb and assuming she's actually a human being with feelings and stuff - people hurt and embarrased or attacked don't always sound like slick PR folk or come up with completely contrite responses.

I'm just saying we should probably take her apology as just that and move the focus back to Bioware and the fiasco that the last 5 minutes brought.

I guess I am a little more harsh than you are when it comes to professional and unprofessional behavior.  If she was just some random person posting on her blog, then yes, anything she says is fine (within the law).  Yay for free speech.  But since she is commenting on a project that she worked on as a professional, I don't think she is owed any concern from the public regarding her feelings.

That sounds horribly calous, but I think there is a reason why business and personal life should not mix.

Cool.  We differ on that, but what's the recourse you would like?  She already apologized.  If that's not enough than what is?

Any customer has the right not to take her seriously, and not to listen to her. That is typically the recourse. The second recourse it that customers may tune out the company she works for.
I find that you are way too emotional.
Welcome to capitalism. Customers can choose who they trust.

[Saberchic]

Huh. It's good she apologized for speaking out of turn, but this letter stinks of PR damage control. Big time.

I'm not sure what Jennifer Hepler's situation has to so with Chobot. That seems like she's trying to drum up some support by bringing up that incident.  <_< I don't like that.

[Cobra's_back]

Ashilana wrote...

sfam wrote...

I disagree.  For starters, Bioware is a corporation, with lots of people, PR and management included who can craft an apology, whereas Jessica is a person, who admited being personally hurt by the attacks of her VA and participation.  I found Bioware's apology lacking. I found Jessica's more than fine.  I'm assuming she did it herself - and again, I'm just going out on a limb and assuming she's actually a human being with feelings and stuff - people hurt and embarrased or attacked don't always sound like slick PR folk or come up with completely contrite responses.

I'm just saying we should probably take her apology as just that and move the focus back to Bioware and the fiasco that the last 5 minutes brought.

I guess I am a little more harsh than you are when it comes to professional and unprofessional behavior.  If she was just some random person posting on her blog, then yes, anything she says is fine (within the law).  Yay for free speech.  But since she is commenting on a project that she worked on as a professional, I don't think she is owed any concern from the public regarding her feelings.

That sounds horribly calous, but I think there is a reason why business and personal life should not mix.

Golden Rule in Business.

[sfam]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Sadly, it is an issue of trust and credibility. I can only hope this lesson does not haunt her. People have been fired for making stupid comments. She is in the public eye and she represents a corporation. I’m sure her HR department had advised all employees to be careful of what they say in public.
To answer your question getting on her knee and begging isn’t the answer. Some people may continue to trust and others may not. There is a difference between accepting an apology and trusting an individual that has compromised their position by not being impartial.
I wish her well.

So the chick who's best known for licking a PSP has lost your trust by compromising her integrity by not being impartial? OK, I suppose that's fair.  But I didn't think of Jessica Chobot as a hard-hitting game journalist.  She's more of a gaming industry celebrity, so I really don't see this as that far of a stretch.  I suppose I get your position though...

[sfam]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Any customer has the right not to take her seriously, and not to listen to her. That is typically the recourse. The second recourse it that customers may tune out the company she works for.
I find that you are way too emotional.
Welcome to capitalism. Customers can choose who they trust.

I'm way too emotional for accepting someone's apology at face value?

Um, OK. 

And clealry customers can choose anything they want for any reason.  I just think the piling on has gone well overboard.

[T-Zero]

sfam wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

I just don't like that she got a full 3D model and Tali got a picture.

This.

+1

+2

I've got nothing against Chobot.  I don't even have any problems with her VA.  The comments she made were... well, as she said, immature.  And now that she's made her apology, I'm more than willing to just forget the matter.  I actually really appreciate that she apologized:  it takes guts to own up to a mistake.

 Her getting shoved into the game instead of Tali getting a full 3D model?  That irks me to no end.  Not her fault;  just something that annoys me.

Modifié par T-Zero, 03 avril 2012 - 04:51 .

[Ibn_Shisha]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Jealous Beauty wrote...

Out of curiosity, how did these forums react to Felicia Day in the DA2 DLC? Did she catch the same level of flak as Jessica Chobot?

No, she did not.

Did Felicia Day call us names for airing legitimate customer concerns?  I don't really know, but I've never heard anything about her doing so.

[Darc_Requiem]

Landamskarn wrote...

I thought this was going to be about the voice acting. 

As did I. I hadn't paid enough attention to her other wise to know that she posted an angry rant about ME3 fan reaction.

[Catroi]

chiliztri wrote...

Landamskarn wrote...

I thought this was going to be about the voice acting. 

Me too

[SupR G]

She shouldn't have assumed a giant outpour of love over her character. It looked terrible, and she's not an actor. And then going and doing that "entitled" thing, yeah bad call. But she apologized, and honestly she seems a little too invested in these games. I'd tell Jessica, hey, you're attractive and frankly you could do a lot better then your new husband, but they butchered your character and used your face to sell more copies. That isn't cool or interesting.

[Cobra's_back]

sfam wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Any customer has the right not to take her seriously, and not to listen to her. That is typically the recourse. The second recourse it that customers may tune out the company she works for.
I find that you are way too emotional.
Welcome to capitalism. Customers can choose who they trust.

I'm way too emotional for accepting someone's apology at face value?

Um, OK. 

And clealry customers can choose anything they want for any reason.  I just think the piling on has gone well overboard.

This comment you made " Cool. We differ on that, but what's the recourse you would like? She already apologized. If that's not enough than what is?" It seems very emotional. It is not about accepting an appology, but about hounding the person you sent this to.

Secondly, customers can choose who they want to listen to. Exactly.

[sfam]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

sfam wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Any customer has the right not to take her seriously, and not to listen to her. That is typically the recourse. The second recourse it that customers may tune out the company she works for.
I find that you are way too emotional.
Welcome to capitalism. Customers can choose who they trust.

I'm way too emotional for accepting someone's apology at face value?

Um, OK. 

And clealry customers can choose anything they want for any reason.  I just think the piling on has gone well overboard.

This comment you made " Cool. We differ on that, but what's the recourse you would like? She already apologized. If that's not enough than what is?" It seems very emotional. It is not about accepting an appology, but about hounding the person you sent this to.

Secondly, customers can choose who they want to listen to. Exactly.

Gosh, I bet Ashilana is thrilled he/she has someone who can stand up for him/her from my overly emotional responses...

Seriously, I'm not sure what goes through your that makes that an emotional response. I also don't see it as hounding, but genuinely wondering what recourse was desired.  You answered that yourself - you lost faith in Jessica's previously sterling integrity, and as a consequence, no longer see IGN as the pillar in ethics for game impartiality.  Such is life - I may disagree, but I long since stopped thinking of game reviewers as anything close to impartial - that's like being surprised that golf reporters aren't impartial to Tiger Woods, or that White House correspondents aren't impartial to the current White House occupant - if you rely on who you are reporting on for your livelihood, by definition you aren't impartial.

But who knows, perhaps that's a fine answer - who am I to disabuse you of your naive view of the gaming industry?  I just don't see the need to start impinging my "emotional state" for asking a question - then again, we are in a thread where people have been bashing someone for page after page for making an apology, so this shouldn't surprise me too much I suppose.

Modifié par sfam, 03 avril 2012 - 04:28 .

[Saberchic]

Ibn_Shisha wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Jealous Beauty wrote...

Out of curiosity, how did these forums react to Felicia Day in the DA2 DLC? Did she catch the same level of flak as Jessica Chobot?

No, she did not.

Did Felicia Day call us names for airing legitimate customer concerns?  I don't really know, but I've never heard anything about her doing so.

^Spot on.^

All I've ever seen from her on it was enthusiam about doing it with her DA web series. Ms. Day, to my knowledge, has not responded to the fans who did not like MOTA with disdain.

There's a difference of what is going on here. Trying to lump the reaction to Ms. Day and Ms. Chobot together is like comparing apples to oranges.

[CoyoteLovely]

nwj94 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

To be fair I haven't seen anything other than people being perfectly civil to Merizan.
Annoyingly persistent in bugging her about things she obviously can't know, but civil.

A member of your retake group threatened to kill her on twitter.

Sigh..thats just sad

There are wierdo's in every group.  The retake movement did not condone this of course.

I'm sorry, I gotta comment on this one: Do we get to parade the trolls of the "Keep the Ending" crowd every time they do something uncool? As it was said before - the Retake movement doesn't condone of this sort of activity, but we can't stop everyone. Painting a whole movement by these actions is more than a little silly.