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[Ashilana]

Aurvant wrote...
Honestly? I just think she hates criticism.

Her rants all seem to erupt from being surprised that someone would dare call her work terrible. Her performance was far below par and, quite honestly, I expected someone to have better sense than to hire a VA who spoke so flat and monotone.

It's criticism and if you produce anything that makes it to the public forum then you'd better be prepared to have people shred it to pieces if they have criticisms to make. She, clearly, wasn't prepared to handle any.

I think if the game didn't feel incomplete or rushed, it would be easier to just ignore a product-placement character that was poorly done.

It must be hard for her if she didn't realize what her role was in the game.

[withneelandi]

DaosX wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Jealous Beauty wrote...

Out of curiosity, how did these forums react to Felicia Day in the DA2 DLC? Did she catch the same level of flak as Jessica Chobot?

No, she did not.

That's because Felicia Day actually did a good job. She added something to the mix. Chobot...notsomuch. I didn't mind anything about her except her voice. I mean, if you're going to be a VOICE actress, shouldn't you try to speak in a non-monotone manner? I didn't mind it that much that they killed off Emily Wong...but I just wished they got someone else to do the voice of Diana Allers.

The massive difference between Felicia Day and Chobot is Felicia Day is a proffesional actress, she isn't just an "internet celebrity", she has been acting for years, in proper things like Buffy. The decision to cast her was far from bizarre. The fact that she happens to be a massive fan of RPG's and have done things like the guild was a bonus. It was a bit of fanboy service, but its still hiring an actress that  lots of RPG fanboys have a crush on. I didn't have a clue who chobot was before all this, but as far as I know she'd never acted in her life before being casted in Mass Effect 3 and sadly it shows. I'm sure she's a perfectly capable video games journo but she's no actress.

The second big difference is that Felicia Day doesn't work for a publication that reviews video games, so there was no conlict of interest issue.

All in all, its perfectly reasonable to question Jessica Chobot being in Mass Effect 3, its not reasonable to make personal comments about her or anyone else on the subject.

She does have to think seriously about whether you can be a video games journalist and appear in the games that it is your job to comment on, just as a film crtitic who took a cameo on the big summer Blockbuster would have to do the same.

I also think bioware have questions to answer on her casting, far more than Chobot her self. Lets be honest, who here would say no to being in a ME game, you can't blame her. The minute Bioware did this they left themselves open to accusations of buying good reviews with favours, I make no suggestion that they tried to do that, but they must have realised that it may appear that way to those on the outside.

All in all, the whole Chobot thing was a bad idea, Felicia Day was a pretty decent idea (I'm still not sure why they gave Day' character the worlds most over the top clevage though, that was a bit creepy).

[Vaktathi]

Agreed. Felicia Day is an actual actress who has done such roles with frequency and is very into the whole RPG thing, Chobot is a Personality, who covers all sorts of gaming aspecst. The former can often make a good latter, the latter often is not a good former.

Many of the attacks on Chobot have been inappropriate, but at the same time inevitable as you could replace her with any celebrity and get the same reaction. Questions regarding quality of voice acting, brushing aside of existing characters for such roles, obvious sexual tones, and a conflict of interest issue make for a perfect kegstorm of drama, especially when you drop angsty blogs on top of it. I use that term not insultingly, but because that's what those posts were, angsty, and inappropriate for a professional.

One will notice that, whatever drama exists, none of the other voice actors are taking to blogs complaining about customers.

Modifié par Vaktathi, 03 avril 2012 - 07:11 .

[Necrotron]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Jealous Beauty wrote...

Out of curiosity, how did these forums react to Felicia Day in the DA2 DLC? Did she catch the same level of flak as Jessica Chobot?

No, she did not.

A) They didn't kill off another character in the series to make room to introduce Felicia Day

Felicia Day is universally loved


Regarding the original post, mature of Jessica to apologize.  I imagine it can be easy to see the overly negative and downright vicious remarks sometimes and have that taint your image of an entire group.  But obviously, that is wrong to do, and she apologized.

As for her placement in the game, I personally had no issues with it, and I liked her character.  A little disappointing they killed off the other reporter featured in previous games to do so, but Allers was a fun and memorable character and had some great dialogue.

[x-Killision-X]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Jealous Beauty wrote...

Out of curiosity, how did these forums react to Felicia Day in the DA2 DLC? Did she catch the same level of flak as Jessica Chobot?

No, she did not.

And people should stop giving her flak. She apologized. That is already more than most of us do when we shoot our mouths off.

[CroGamer002]

Nice on Chobot.


It's now Casey's and Walter's turn to apology.

[Captain Arty]

Diana Allers can stay on the Normandy.

It was a stand up move on her part to be honest and human about it. I made some shameless jokes at her expense and shouldn't have. It's easy to forget the people we discuss can also see these forums too.

[Doctor Uburian]

I accept her apology

[Pride Demon]

nwj94 wrote...

Deeply impressed, it takes guts to admit you were wrong. (Colin could learn a thing or two from her.)

Also like to add that the hate she is receiving is starting to make me sick. It doesn't help our image to have people making personal insults against her.

Edit: for spelling

The problem is that she was pretty much bashed on since day one, when people discovered she was in the game, it's not like it's a recent thing...
In fact, I'm fairly certain the only reason the bashing subsided recently is that the ending debate ate up everything else...

What she wrote was a rough generalization of the fan base and was definitely not cool, no doubt, but let's be honest, she had a lot more reasons to be upset than most, given how the forums have generally regarded/treated her...

[Cobra's_back]

Pride Demon wrote...

nwj94 wrote...

Deeply impressed, it takes guts to admit you were wrong. (Colin could learn a thing or two from her.)

Also like to add that the hate she is receiving is starting to make me sick. It doesn't help our image to have people making personal insults against her.

Edit: for spelling

The problem is that she was pretty much bashed on since day one, when people discovered she was in the game, it's not like it's a recent thing...
In fact, I'm fairly certain the only reason the bashing subsided recently is that the ending debate ate up everything else...

What she wrote was a rough generalization of the fan base and was definitely not cool, no doubt, but let's be honest, she had a lot more reasons to be upset than most, given how the forums have generally regarded/treated her...

No. I don't care for the ending but I would never insult her. I haven't seen anyone from Hold the LIne" insult her.

Innocent people should not be insulted.Adults handle this by boycotting IGN not insulting their workers.

[B3ckett]

The way she was put in the game was an insult to her. She's not exactly mind blowing, but in the game she looks slightly like +50 kg overweight, judging from her face only.

I think she did a terrible job as VA, her career is based on licking a pad, but she really did no harm. I do not take her apology seriously, because I do not take HER seriously. Either way, she meant no harm and did no harm. She was just not needed in ME3.

[Njald]

Justin2k wrote...

Good on her apologising for any offence she caused people. Although tbh all she said was "entitled" and "whine-fest" so I think she was pretty spot on TBH.

Thank you for your valid observation. Is there something else you want to add to the conversation that is as brilliant as you learning nothing from her mistake of being a douchebag? 

[Soul_Taco]

Landamskarn wrote...

I thought this was going to be about the voice acting. 

Hahahahahaha!

[leewells]

Vito_Raliffe wrote...

"You know what folks. You're 100% right. I shouldn't have mentioned anything about my feelings about "entitled gamers" when it comes to the ME3 ending (and my work in progress with it). I've done exactly what I dislike others doing and that is to make a blanketed reactionary statement based in passion and love for a series and company rather than actual fact.

Here's the thing, and it's going to sound really weird, but as a Bioware fan, this whole uproar has just made me so sad and a little heartbroken. The petition, the attacks on a female Bioware employee and the reaction I received when it was announced I was a cameo in the game just kind of...well, hurt my feelings. Plain and simple. Listen, I totally get that games are a huge investment of time and money and, as an sales product, they should provide a certain level of expectations and satisfaction for the consumer. I also am totally aware that games are now, after much fighting by the gaming community, finally considered works of art and, as art, should not always bend to what the masses want. So, I'm torn when it comes to which side of the fence I personally (not professionally) find myself standing. All in all, I've become increasingly hyper sensitive to everything surrounding the game and should, in hindsight, just try to avoid any reference to it whatsoever since I find it difficult to be objective when it comes to my personal feelings about it. Either way, this doesn't excuse my ranting behavior. As I grow older, I need to remind myself that I should also act more mature and stepping down to a level of name calling just isn't what I want to do. So, please consider this an, "I'm sorry.""

http://www.ign.com/b...hat-youre-right 

What she is apologizing for.

Big Corp and their employees, especailly with a clientel base like this that feel they should kneel before the al-mighty gods called BioWare, loose sight of the chain of MONEY.  You see, as a business owner myself, I still take pride in saying my company has not yet forgotten one simple term, "Customer Service".  You see, when a company like BioWare creates a game, it isn't just for their employees to enjoy, it is product in which for whom ever buys it becomes a "customer" and therefor is generally "entittled" to that little expected valueadd called "service". 

"The customer is always right" ~ Mr L. L. Bean.

As soon as BioWare became an EA pawn, the customer service flew out the window like a empty plastic grocery bag at 200mph down the road and her comment, being an EMPLOYEE for BioWare has proof so clearly painted on it, only an idiot would discount it.

In short, if ANY of my employees every treated my customers the way this broad has to the MASSES of BioWare CUSTOMERS, "the show must go on" my ass -- she would have not only been fired, but I would have had called the company counsel in consideration of punitive damages that she caused to the reputation hit.

Modifié par leewells, 03 avril 2012 - 11:16 .

[Sepharih]

Landamskarn wrote...

I thought this was going to be about the voice acting. 

This.  I don't care what she thinks of Retake....there are people who are much more influential in the industry then her.  She's got a lot more to explain for when it comes to this game.

Modifié par Sepharih, 03 avril 2012 - 11:13 .

[pjotroos]

Bathaius wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Jealous Beauty wrote...

Out of curiosity, how did these forums react to Felicia Day in the DA2 DLC? Did she catch the same level of flak as Jessica Chobot?

No, she did not.

A) They didn't kill off another character in the series to make room to introduce Felicia Day

Felicia Day is universally loved

Well, "universally loved" is a bit of an overstatement. I liked Day in "The Guild", but I wouldn't call myself a fan otherwise. I think the main reason she was better received is that - gaming celebrity or not - she's still an actress. I haven't played MotA but I assume she did a little better job. Also, she was put in the DLC, so people that weren't interested could simply opt out. But yeah, you can kick Allers out easily enough, so there's more fuss being done about it than there needs to be. I can obviously understand her accepting the offer when it was made. And since she apologised for her earlier message, best leave it at that.

Modifié par pjotroos, 03 avril 2012 - 11:13 .

[Vhalkyrie]

Tbh, I didn't know who she was until recently. That said, I don't think she should have been in the game as she is an employee of a game review company. The professional thing to do would be to decline on basis of conflict of interest. Now that I know who she is, I'm not interested in her show or blogs as they aren't a style that appeals to me. There are valid questions about her involvement with the game and IGN's conflict of interest, but derogatory comments are never acceptable.

[Cadence of the Planes]

Not sure why Chobot apologized, I thought the performance was fine, and her "rant" had some good points. Didn't need to tbh. Not sure why people are so sensitive that they feel the need for an apology if someone disagrees with their viewpoints.

Modifié par Cadence of the Planes, 03 avril 2012 - 11:17 .

[TeffexPope]

pikey1969 wrote...

My god, there's been like five seperate threads on Chobot in the last hour.

Everyone claims to hate Chobot but are obsessed with her. lol2us.

[Wowlock]

Well , at least someone knows to own up to their mistakes.

Sure , her voice acting was not the brightest moment in the game but I don't think that would call for any personal insults. Only bad symbol that fact supported was that IGN had a self-interest in the game from the beginning and it is not working for them now.

I am suprised that Editors allowed her to actually said she was ''kinda wrong''. Do I sound a bit bitter ? Well maybe a little but sadly they didn't do anything to remedy that in late weeks...

[nevar00]

as a Bioware fan, this whole uproar has just made me so sad and a little heartbroken.

Funny, because that almost explains in a very mild way how I felt upon completing the game... concerning the ending, of course.

Now all she needs to do is apologize for her voice acting quality and sit in the corner to think about what she has done, and then maybe we can start to move on.

But seriously, good on her for not trying to hide behind some sort of shield like 'artistic integrity' and acknowledging that she was wrong.

[garf]

Justin2k wrote...

Good on her apologising for any offence she caused people. Although tbh all she said was "entitled" and "whine-fest" so I think she was pretty spot on TBH.

Yes that's the way to keep civil debate going. (golf clap)

[Sepharih]

TeffexPope wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

My god, there's been like five seperate threads on Chobot in the last hour.

Everyone claims to hate Chobot but are obsessed with her. lol2us.

I hate the ending to mass effect 3.  I also can't stop talking about it.

[leewells]

TeffexPope wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

My god, there's been like five seperate threads on Chobot in the last hour.

Everyone claims to hate Chobot but are obsessed with her. lol2us.

I am not obsessed, I think her comment was digusting in the "customer service" scheme of things and were BioWare my company, she would have been fired on the spot for breech of business ethics and abuse of my customers, and then I would attempt to reclaim anything the contract had already paid if possible.

[Cadence of the Planes]

I am not obsessed, I think her comment was digusting in the "customer service" scheme of things and were BioWare my company, she would have been fired on the spot for breech of business ethics and abuse of my customers, and then I would attempt to reclaim anything the contract had already paid if possible.

These overly dramatic posts do nothing but make me roll my eyes. Next.