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[HenchxNarf]

Russalka wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...
Ah, the BSN. Where comparing a gaming journalist and a cheerleader is a perfectly valid analogy. 

You should see the analogies they come up with in the ending arguments. I've seen liking the endings being compared to necrophilia.

Srsly?

[What a Succulent Ass]

Russalka wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...
Ah, the BSN. Where comparing a gaming journalist and a cheerleader is a perfectly valid analogy. 

You should see the analogies they come up with in the ending arguments. I've seen liking the endings being compared to necrophilia.

Those are actually quite lolworthy. I saw one that compared them to killing children.

[Blastback]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...
Ah, the BSN. Where comparing a gaming journalist and a cheerleader is a perfectly valid analogy. 

You should see the analogies they come up with in the ending arguments. I've seen liking the endings being compared to necrophilia.

Srsly?

There's a reason I greet new members to the site by saying
WARNING! THE BSN CONTAINS NUTS!

[kbct]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...
Ah, the BSN. Where comparing a gaming journalist and a cheerleader is a perfectly valid analogy. 

You should see the analogies they come up with in the ending arguments. I've seen liking the endings being compared to necrophilia.

Srsly?

Is that excitement or disgust?

[HenchxNarf]

kbct wrote...

Is that excitement or disgust?

Disbelief that someone could actually come to that conclusion.

[kbct]

HenchxNarf wrote...

kbct wrote...

Is that excitement or disgust?

Disbelief that someone could actually come to that conclusion.

Notice there was no link? Only accusations.

[MikoDoll]

Zcorck wrote...

Plasma Prestige wrote...

 I accept her apology, and can understand where she comes from. She took a step that no one else who insulted the Retake movement has yet taken: apologizing. 

Agreed. Even if it was forced as suggested by some of the previous posters which I doubt based on previous statements by IGN, it really is better than what the others have done so far despite her questionable involvement with the game.
She's taken a step in the right direction, and people decide to bash her for it?  
Even if it wasn't genuine, she still made an official apology.
Bashing her in spite of it only affirms her original statement. Why not prove that her original statement was wrong?(same goes for the others who jumped on that bandwagon)

It's a step in the right direction sure but she shouldn't go without consequence for what she's saying either.

She currently holds the upper hand 'cos of it, and the incredible amount of insults in this thread only confirm that.

Many of the insults (ex: Obviously not being infamous enough to get in ME3 because of in-depth, meaningful journalism, and getting that by being asex object) isn't false. Meanwhile she is ironically entitled enough to think that even though she hasn't finished the ending she can mouth off to others and rant about something she knows nothing about.

Introduce any outsider to this situation and that outsider will pick Chobot hands down the way things are going.

How about I didn't know Chobot until today. Think I'm on her side?

As for the PSP-licking & the other attempt-at-sexiness she's pulled. Well it is pretty stupid especially in order to promote herself, but assuming we all have lives here I'm sure more than a few of us have pulled some idiotic stuff from time to time sans the spotlight. I know I have.

Yes but besides trying to take sexy shots she's not really "infamous" for anything when she's in a position to really post some insightful material. It's sad to think there are so many other people with so much more talent for writing that aren't going to ever have her job or get commended in games like ME3 because they don't appeal to the editors eye and/or won't wiggle their ass in front of him.

Anyways she's currently looking to win this round, are you gonna let her win it or are you gonna tie it up and let it go to another round?

So basically unless we all accept her fake apology she has "won?" I don't care about winning either way.

[Sgt Stryker]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...
Ah, the BSN. Where comparing a gaming journalist and a cheerleader is a perfectly valid analogy. 

You should see the analogies they come up with in the ending arguments. I've seen liking the endings being compared to necrophilia.

Those are actually quite lolworthy. I saw one that compared them to killing children.

I saw one comparing the ending's logic (or lack thereof) to racist ideology.

[kbct]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...
Ah, the BSN. Where comparing a gaming journalist and a cheerleader is a perfectly valid analogy. 

You should see the analogies they come up with in the ending arguments. I've seen liking the endings being compared to necrophilia.

Those are actually quite lolworthy. I saw one that compared them to killing children.

I saw one comparing the ending's logic (or lack thereof) to racist ideology.

I saw Hitler's reaction.

And North Korea's reaction:

[SparkyRich]

I'm not sure if I'm against the ending or not - I'm still not sure there was an ending. Sure didn't seem like one. I woke up in rubble after supposedly being killed on the Citadel when I blew up that red Reaper thingus. Still wondering how I survived that fall - must be thanks to those Cerberus implants and my N7 para-assault training.

Modifié par SparkyRich, 03 avril 2012 - 01:43 .

[MikoDoll]

Random Jerkface wrote...

MikoDoll wrote...

I don't envy the position of shaking one's ass in front of a man to get a job at IGN or some attention in ME3.  You think that's liberating? Heaven help you..

You, my good friend, just need to go wipe the green putty from your flab.

Yeah I am so inferior and supposedly fat because I won't get up in front of a bunch of guys and do this

https://encrypted-tb...EytlPVwFOUU0jY3

[Dude_in_the_Room]

MikoDoll wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

MikoDoll wrote...

I don't envy the position of shaking one's ass in front of a man to get a job at IGN or some attention in ME3.  You think that's liberating? Heaven help you..

You, my good friend, just need to go wipe the green putty from your flab.

Yeah I am so inferior and supposedly fat because I won't get up in front of a bunch of guys and do this

https://encrypted-tb...EytlPVwFOUU0jY3

I'm sorry, I  have to say it again....that dude looks like a douche.

[MikoDoll]

Well if he is one, that'd explain why women would have to do that. In some respects her position would be pitiful if I sensed more somberness or remorse that she had to resort to such things. She could try to repair things by putting a greater emphasis on her work from now on and less emphasis on getting fame by her appearance. Yeah that'd be a pretty great start.

Modifié par MikoDoll, 03 avril 2012 - 01:55 .

[Zcorck]

MikoDoll wrote...

It's a step in the right direction sure but she shouldn't go without consequence for what she's saying either.

She currently holds the upper hand 'cos of it, and the incredible amount of insults in this thread only confirm that.

Many of the insults (ex: Obviously not being infamous enough to get in ME3 because of in-depth, meaningful journalism, and getting that by being asex object) isn't false. Meanwhile she is ironically entitled enough to think that even though she hasn't finished the ending she can mouth off to others and rant about something she knows nothing about.

Introduce any outsider to this situation and that outsider will pick Chobot hands down the way things are going.

How about I didn't know Chobot until today. Think I'm on her side?

As for the PSP-licking & the other attempt-at-sexiness she's pulled. Well it is pretty stupid especially in order to promote herself, but assuming we all have lives here I'm sure more than a few of us have pulled some idiotic stuff from time to time sans the spotlight. I know I have.

Yes but besides trying to take sexy shots she's not really "infamous" for anything when she's in a position to really post some insightful material. It's sad to think there are so many other people with so much more talent for writing that aren't going to ever have her job or get commended in games like ME3 because they don't appeal to the editors eye and/or won't wiggle their ass in front of him.

Anyways she's currently looking to win this round, are you gonna let her win it or are you gonna tie it up and let it go to another round?

So basically unless we all accept her fake apology she has "won?" I don't care about winning either way.

True, she's said some things that were quite insulting(along with others) that she shouldn't have, but what would you have her start with to make amends if not an apology?

Fine. Majority of outsiders would be on her side if you wanna be specific about it, and I'm not just referring to people who have tried ME1-ME3 and this passionate for the franchise, but people who haven't can look at this situation objectively(relatively speaking).

She's still garnering enough attention due to her association with IGN, and the ME3 situation still being a hot topic.

I'd suggest thinking about the next step.
So you're not one of those who desire an alternate ending?
While you in particular may not care about "winning", but how this situation is handled will still have to be perceived by the media, even by people who aren't as well-informed about this situation.
Like how the negative word-of-mouth surrounding this game has spread to degrees unforseen(by me at least), it can very well go the other way regarding its consumers.

The current situation is not just determining whether it's right or wrong for BioWare to change something they've done, but also help clear the line between us consumers & developers as to how acceptable the behavior of game-developers is allowed to be.

[Zcorck]

MikoDoll wrote...

Well if he is one, that'd explain why women would have to do that. In some respects her position would be pitiful if I sensed more somberness or remorse that she had to resort to such things. She could try to repair things by putting a greater emphasis on her work from now on and less emphasis on getting fame by her appearance. Yeah that'd be a pretty great start.

Agreed.
Her means to her current position hasn't been too great to say the least.
If she does really want to not seem like a joke, showing more seriousness and dedication towards her work would be helpful not just in her eyes but also in the eyes of people who frequent IGN.
I still think giving a proper and full review of ME3 would be needed, I may not necessarily agree with it but as long as it's capable of recognizing the flaws within the game and isn't buttered up like the countless others we've seen.

[Mallissin]

So, rather than write out a HUMUNGO blog post full of letters and shizz that no one wants to actually read, I thought I would do a pictoral update on everything that has happened within the last 3 or so months...(and "NO" I haven't finished ME3 yet. " NO" I haven't sexed Diana Allers (although I plan to) and "NO" I don't want to know anything more about the babsolutly RIDICULOUS whine-fest that entitled gamers are having with Bioware)...

Miss Boob-token hasn't finished the game yet.

Give her time, she'll probably be as pissed as the rest of us.

Also, choboobs.

[MikoDoll]

Zcorck wrote...
True, she's said some things that were quite insulting(along with others) that she shouldn't have, but what would you have her start with to make amends if not an apology?

If she wants amends she needs to set a better example and be more professional in general. She lit the fire on the issue of "entitledment" so to fully make amends, she needs to see the issue of being entitled through herself. She needs to stop acting like she is entitled to be an authority at IGN or to get her attention from IGN  or Bioware not for content (and in this instance she admitted she didn't finish the game)  but her appearance. Her appearance isn't relevant to being a journalist. She needs to focus more on content of she writes and less on trying to get attention by arousing men. It's unfortunate that ME3 is tied to all this. She wasn't ready to be in something like ME3.  Boys have more graphic things at their disposal if they want it.

Fine. Majority of outsiders would be on her side if you wanna be specific about it,

That depends on how educated they were on the subject. I doubt many people would feel great at her moaning about a bunch of fans who are upset over the ending when she hasn't wached it. Again she waved the entitledment card. If she wants to do that, she needs to strip herself of her own. I think that'd help her a lot as a journalist. In fact her being in the game would've already been a conflict of interest. Another reason I can certainly understand many comments here suggesting she should've never said anything period.

and I'm not just referring to people who have tried ME1-ME3 and this passionate for the franchise, but people who haven't can look at this situation objectively(relatively speaking).

You don't have to seperate impartiality simply because emotions are involved. She didn't finish the game. She has no right to comment on people's reactions to it when she hasn't seen it herself. More to the point people who haven't invested in the franchise would have no reason to have an authoritative attitude anymore than someone who scoffs at a person upset because they spent 1 grand on a piece of junk that doesn't work. You didn't invest the hours and money. You don't get to act like an authoritative source for how people should feel.

I'd suggest thinking about the next step.
So you're not one of those who desire an alternate ending?
While you in particular may not care about "winning", but how this situation is handled will still have to be perceived by the media, even by people who aren't as well-informed about this situation.

The media outlets who will defend her were the ones on Bioware's side from the start anyway. Our defense is that she bashed fans without finishing the game. She made a statement without demonstrating any knowledge on what was bothering people and applying it to an argument the way an in depth discussion worthy of being paid for as a profession would. Obviously she felt entitled enough to do this despite "journalism" being a profession that demands the exact opposite. She was being hypocritical and people are going to want to see her shape up in terms of how she handles her "journalism" from now on before they give her the slip. Sometimes that's how it works when you make a very unprofessional comment like that. People don't outright accept your claims, they wait to see what happens next.  I honestly doubt she's going to change but maybe she will.

The current situation is not just determining whether it's right or wrong for BioWare to change something they've done, but also help clear the line between us consumers & developers as to how acceptable the behavior of game-developers is allowed to be.

I think personally it was too soon for Chobot to be in a game like this. She's got a lot of maturing as a journalist to do before she reaches that level.

Modifié par MikoDoll, 03 avril 2012 - 02:18 .

[AJRimmsey]

and again as with every other retake thread...

EVERYONE has the right to an opinion...

UNLESS it conflicts with retakes opinion...

then they should apologise.....


if this thread proves one thing...
Miss Chobot was right on the nail and should have never retracted.

[daecath]

I feel bad for her. She seems like a gamer, like us. She gets a chance to be in a popular game franchise. Which one of us wouldn't jump at that chance? And then she gets criticized, both for her performance, but also her appearance, her job, and anything else people can think of. I'd be upset too in that circumstance. So she lashed out. She's apologized (which is more than most people would do, including a lot of people on here who have been less mature about it than she has). Yeah, her performance won't win any awards, but it wasn't bad. And I would have rather had Emily Wong, sure, but I don't think that's her fault. I don't think she should be getting the reaction that many have had.

[Viyu]

AJRimmsey wrote...

and again as with every other retake thread...

EVERYONE has the right to an opinion...

UNLESS it conflicts with retakes opinion...

then they should apologise.....


if this thread proves one thing...
Miss Chobot was right on the nail and should have never retracted.

No. People were not disputing her FREEDOM to have an opinion. But she didn't look at the ending, so she doesn't even know about the very subject she's using to belittle people that don't like the ending. She is willing to take sides on the matter despite not understanding the other side's point of view. If anything, she seems like she's acting like the people of the Retake movement don't have the right to have an opinion, if she's going to dismiss their grievances without doing any research. It implies their opinons don't matter.

Modifié par Viyu, 03 avril 2012 - 02:37 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Chobot is nothing short of a standard media ****. Its only funny that she isn't attractive enough to get anything beyond the realm of IGN and the VG industry.

[What a Succulent Ass]

AJRimmsey wrote...

and again as with every other retake thread...

EVERYONE has the right to an opinion...

UNLESS it conflicts with retakes opinion...

then they should apologise.....


if this thread proves one thing...
Miss Chobot was right on the nail and should have never retracted.

Aren't you the bloke who said everyone who disagreed with Chobot was just fat and jealous? Or did I misremember that?

[Volus Warlord]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Chobot is nothing short of a standard media ****. Its only funny that she isn't attractive enough to get anything beyond the realm of IGN and the VG industry.

 So true. Hey, if looks are your money maker, you'd use 'em whereever you could. Lol.

[WizenSlinky0]

Viyu wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

and again as with every other retake thread...

EVERYONE has the right to an opinion...

UNLESS it conflicts with retakes opinion...

then they should apologise.....


if this thread proves one thing...
Miss Chobot was right on the nail and should have never retracted.

No. People were not disputing her FREEDOM to have an opinion. But she didn't look at the ending, so she doesn't even know about the very subject she's using to belittle people that don't like the ending. She is willing to take sides on the matter despite not understanding the other side's point of view.

And? So What? She made a mistake and will probably make lots more of them. The major problem here is that once somebody blows their lid and ****s up a lot of people start assuming it's alright for them to respond in kind. It's not. It never is.

Some unfortunate fans will take the opportunity to talk badly about how she looks, how she's a ****ty writer, how she ____. They attack her on a personal level. Why? Because they don't like her character, or her voice acting in a game? Or her articles?

I just wish people knew where to draw the line between criticism and insults. They assume just because they have a legitmate grievence that the things they are saying and more importantly how they are wording them...is appropriate. Most of the time it's not.

[What a Succulent Ass]

daecath wrote...

I feel bad for her. She seems like a gamer, like us. She gets a chance to be in a popular game franchise. Which one of us wouldn't jump at that chance? And then she gets criticized, both for her performance, but also her appearance, her job, and anything else people can think of. I'd be upset too in that circumstance. So she lashed out. She's apologized (which is more than most people would do, including a lot of people on here who have been less mature about it than she has). Yeah, her performance won't win any awards, but it wasn't bad. And I would have rather had Emily Wong, sure, but I don't think that's her fault. I don't think she should be getting the reaction that many have had.

...

Actually, that's not what happened, though I disagree with the people attacking her personally.

That's never acceptable.