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[Notorious McG]

thetawaves90 wrote...

>Spending real money in order to get ingame rewards
>ingame rewards also recieved for time spent in game

So you're spending money to skip some gameplay, so you can spend more time on gameplay.

Dude...what?

I do understand what you're saying, but just try to see it from the perspective of someone who really enjoys playing the game, but has extremely limited amounts of time to do so.

I usually manage 1-2 hours on my console every couple of days, so between 4-8 hours a week on average. Let's assume I completed Silver games every time I played (not that I do, tbh). It takes roughly 25-30mins for me to complete the mission in a public lobby (yes I know some of you guys are a lot quicker; kudos to you) - so I earn 30k credits every 30mins; 60k credits every hour. On that basis, I can afford between 4-8 Spectre Packs (from credits alone) per week depending on my schedule. For sake of argument, we'll call it 6. 6 packs @ 160 MSP each = 960 MSP (so I have say 240 MSP left over from a £9.99 pre-paid card; so really it's 7.5).

For me, I would have a lot less fun playing the game if I was limited to the basic weaponry and classes. When I'm playing Silver, I tend to use either my Drell Adept/Salarian Infiltrator/Asari Vanguard, and I have a whole host of decent upgraded weapons from packs that I've bought with MSP (Carnifex IV, Widow II, Claymore VII etc). Obviously packs are a lucky dip, and I've had my fair share of rubbish ones of course. Equally though, I've got an awful lot of items which mean that I am better equiped to play the game when I do get the chance.

I'm not the best player in the world - so having a good selection of weapons/characters/megi-gels (whatever) is a real help to me, and gives me a much better chance of actually suceeding when I play Silver games; meaning I can consistently earn credits the way they're meant to be earned (in-game). So an original outlay of £50 (which to me, really isn't very much money) means that I've got a solid starting point and everything I do in the future goes towards buying packs with credits. Those 6000ish MSP that I originally spent essentially have a 'credit value' of roughly 2.4m credits, which would take me (and me alone) somewhere in the region of 7-8 weeks to earn through gameplay alone. 

Sure, I could be patient and not use MSP. But I have the means and the desire to use MSP, so I quite honestly don't see what the big deal is. I appreciate that I'm 'skipping gameplay' - that's the whole point of spending real money though, isn't it? What it means for me, is in 2 months or so, I'll hopefully have my Carnifex up to VI/VII or so, and i'll hopefully have unlocked a Black Widow etc. If I was limited to the most basic equipment then I would likely find myself limited to succeeding at Bronze games, which would multiply the length of the process by another 50% - so then 2 months becomes 4 months. So I ask, can you see where I'm (and anyone else who chooses to spend MS/BW Points) coming from?

[SteamieHotPlayer]

Mine was a bit weird. Though I didn't spend real money, my last 6 spectre packs was

1. Geth Pulse Rifle
2. Geth Pulse Rifle (ok)
3. Geth Pulse Rifle (hmm)
4. Geth Pulse Rifle (what?)
5. Salarian Infiltrator
6. Salarian Infiltrator

Now I already can guess what's next. .

[Notorious McG]

SteamieHotPlayer wrote...

Mine was a bit weird. Though I didn't spend real money, my last 6 spectre packs was

1. Geth Pulse Rifle
2. Geth Pulse Rifle (ok)
3. Geth Pulse Rifle (hmm)
4. Geth Pulse Rifle (what?)
5. Salarian Infiltrator
6. Salarian Infiltrator

Now I already can guess what's next. .

I had the exact same thing happen with the Revenant, it went from being II to VI in 5 consecutive packs (although that was with MSP). It's the one and only time that's happened, so I didn't think too much of it. Bit strange though.

[Erozlol]

That's more than I spent on the game itself. What a waste.

[Notorious McG]

Erozlol wrote...

That's more than I spent on the game itself. What a waste.

I got the game as a gift from my wife. So actually, I'm about even.

Just saying.

[M A F I A]

GideonX7 wrote...

sounds about right... too bad spending real money does not give you any better chance than using in-game credits. That's why I will never spend additional money on packs, if I did I think it would take about 1k to even get a N7 unless you are really lucky.

I got four different N7 and I didn't buy anything. Guess it's just a matter of luck or something.

[kojysys]

I have also spent real money in packs, actually much more than you and actually got a bunch of cool stuff and other not so good, but i know this lottery system gives both the extremes in therms of expectation, so i just deal with it as if i went to casino and lost when i get crappy stuff like character and reset cards, though you always get something on contrary of the casino where you more often go out empty handed.

[Zubi Fett]

Notorious McG wrote...

thetawaves90 wrote...

>Spending real money in order to get ingame rewards
>ingame rewards also recieved for time spent in game

So you're spending money to skip some gameplay, so you can spend more time on gameplay.

Dude...what?

I do understand what you're saying, but just try to see it from the perspective of someone who really enjoys playing the game, but has extremely limited amounts of time to do so.

I usually manage 1-2 hours on my console every couple of days, so between 4-8 hours a week on average. Let's assume I completed Silver games every time I played (not that I do, tbh). It takes roughly 25-30mins for me to complete the mission in a public lobby (yes I know some of you guys are a lot quicker; kudos to you) - so I earn 30k credits every 30mins; 60k credits every hour. On that basis, I can afford between 4-8 Spectre Packs (from credits alone) per week depending on my schedule. For sake of argument, we'll call it 6. 6 packs @ 160 MSP each = 960 MSP (so I have say 240 MSP left over from a £9.99 pre-paid card; so really it's 7.5).

For me, I would have a lot less fun playing the game if I was limited to the basic weaponry and classes. When I'm playing Silver, I tend to use either my Drell Adept/Salarian Infiltrator/Asari Vanguard, and I have a whole host of decent upgraded weapons from packs that I've bought with MSP (Carnifex IV, Widow II, Claymore VII etc). Obviously packs are a lucky dip, and I've had my fair share of rubbish ones of course. Equally though, I've got an awful lot of items which mean that I am better equiped to play the game when I do get the chance.

I'm not the best player in the world - so having a good selection of weapons/characters/megi-gels (whatever) is a real help to me, and gives me a much better chance of actually suceeding when I play Silver games; meaning I can consistently earn credits the way they're meant to be earned (in-game). So an original outlay of £50 (which to me, really isn't very much money) means that I've got a solid starting point and everything I do in the future goes towards buying packs with credits. Those 6000ish MSP that I originally spent essentially have a 'credit value' of roughly 2.4m credits, which would take me (and me alone) somewhere in the region of 7-8 weeks to earn through gameplay alone. 

Sure, I could be patient and not use MSP. But I have the means and the desire to use MSP, so I quite honestly don't see what the big deal is. I appreciate that I'm 'skipping gameplay' - that's the whole point of spending real money though, isn't it? What it means for me, is in 2 months or so, I'll hopefully have my Carnifex up to VI/VII or so, and i'll hopefully have unlocked a Black Widow etc. If I was limited to the most basic equipment then I would likely find myself limited to succeeding at Bronze games, which would multiply the length of the process by another 50% - so then 2 months becomes 4 months. So I ask, can you see where I'm (and anyone else who chooses to spend MS/BW Points) coming from?

I understand your sitatution and why you do it, but i dont agree with you buying the packs. 

I know buying those packs its the only solution to you to have good equipament with out having to wait moths, how ever, what you are doing(and others) wil have a consecuence in the future that will affect every one. I already explain how many times along wiht others.
If you want to find how this could affect the future in case of this system succes i suggest you check out privius post from some forum members.

Greetings

Nothing to do with the post:

Its nice to can discuss this things in calm and respect, in most community forums will be a war of insults.

Modifié par Zubi Fett, 03 avril 2012 - 11:23 .

[Notorious McG]

Zubi Fett wrote...

Notorious McG wrote...

thetawaves90 wrote...

>Spending real money in order to get ingame rewards
>ingame rewards also recieved for time spent in game

So you're spending money to skip some gameplay, so you can spend more time on gameplay.

Dude...what?

I do understand what you're saying, but just try to see it from the perspective of someone who really enjoys playing the game, but has extremely limited amounts of time to do so.

I usually manage 1-2 hours on my console every couple of days, so between 4-8 hours a week on average. Let's assume I completed Silver games every time I played (not that I do, tbh). It takes roughly 25-30mins for me to complete the mission in a public lobby (yes I know some of you guys are a lot quicker; kudos to you) - so I earn 30k credits every 30mins; 60k credits every hour. On that basis, I can afford between 4-8 Spectre Packs (from credits alone) per week depending on my schedule. For sake of argument, we'll call it 6. 6 packs @ 160 MSP each = 960 MSP (so I have say 240 MSP left over from a £9.99 pre-paid card; so really it's 7.5).

For me, I would have a lot less fun playing the game if I was limited to the basic weaponry and classes. When I'm playing Silver, I tend to use either my Drell Adept/Salarian Infiltrator/Asari Vanguard, and I have a whole host of decent upgraded weapons from packs that I've bought with MSP (Carnifex IV, Widow II, Claymore VII etc). Obviously packs are a lucky dip, and I've had my fair share of rubbish ones of course. Equally though, I've got an awful lot of items which mean that I am better equiped to play the game when I do get the chance.

I'm not the best player in the world - so having a good selection of weapons/characters/megi-gels (whatever) is a real help to me, and gives me a much better chance of actually suceeding when I play Silver games; meaning I can consistently earn credits the way they're meant to be earned (in-game). So an original outlay of £50 (which to me, really isn't very much money) means that I've got a solid starting point and everything I do in the future goes towards buying packs with credits. Those 6000ish MSP that I originally spent essentially have a 'credit value' of roughly 2.4m credits, which would take me (and me alone) somewhere in the region of 7-8 weeks to earn through gameplay alone. 

Sure, I could be patient and not use MSP. But I have the means and the desire to use MSP, so I quite honestly don't see what the big deal is. I appreciate that I'm 'skipping gameplay' - that's the whole point of spending real money though, isn't it? What it means for me, is in 2 months or so, I'll hopefully have my Carnifex up to VI/VII or so, and i'll hopefully have unlocked a Black Widow etc. If I was limited to the most basic equipment then I would likely find myself limited to succeeding at Bronze games, which would multiply the length of the process by another 50% - so then 2 months becomes 4 months. So I ask, can you see where I'm (and anyone else who chooses to spend MS/BW Points) coming from?

I understand your sitatution and why you do it, but i dont agree with you buying the packs. 

I know buying those packs its the only solution to you to have good equipament with out having to wait moths, how ever, what you are doing(and others) wil have a consecuence in the future that will affect every one. I already explain how many times along wiht others.
If you want to find how this could affect the future in case of this system succes i suggest you check out privius post from some forum members.

Greetings

Nothing to do with the post:

Its nice to can discuss this things in calm and respect, in most community forums will be a war of insults.

I hear you mate, and it makes a pleasant change not to be chastised for spending my own cash - so I appreciate that. It's just a drop in the ocean though; the way the video games industry is going, every major title will inevitably have charged DLC options (becoming mandatory, imho) in the future. We might aswell all get used to it. 

[Zubi Fett]

@Notorious

Well, i won't have a problem with it has long as it keeps optional, my fear(and of others) is that when the people who purchase this things become the majority, it will stop being optional.

How ever, one of the things it has really bother me is the fact that the system is a slot machine, think to create addiction. That has been going too far from them.

The day this things are no longer optional or the day the entire or most of the game is think to full you or some how manipulate you(like the slot machine) i have very clear what to do.

I won't get use to it, i will find a new "way" of playing it.

Modifié par Zubi Fett, 03 avril 2012 - 11:44 .

[brummbrumm]

but thats old news, zubi fett.

all "free to play" mmorpgs incorporate that principle - new character classes, items, character customization - and even those non free to play titles have their own official and unofficial market where you can buy ingame stuff for your dollar.

I do not know how old the principle is exactly, but its been around for more than 10 years.

[Zubi Fett]

brummbrumm wrote...

but thats old news, zubi fett.

all "free to play" mmorpgs incorporate that principle - new character classes, items, character customization - and even those non free to play titles have their own official and unofficial market where you can buy ingame stuff for your dollar.

I do not know how old the principle is exactly, but its been around for more than 10 years.

Yeas, it been long out there, but its getting more aggressive now and its making his push to earn strength. And its the first time i see it implemented in a full price game as a slot machine system.

This slot machien system is an abomination regardless of its on a free to play game or not.

Modifié par Zubi Fett, 03 avril 2012 - 12:08 .

[Chromako]

clone002 wrote...

40??? well.... thats unfortunate, that could have payed for alot of calibrations on big guns

"Can I borrow your credit card again? I'm in the middle of some calibrations."

[anonymousx]

I like ME3 multiplayer and think it's a good direction for the franchise. I spend a couple of bucks every now and then just to support it. It's not like I'm playing SWTOR so I have a couple of nickles to spend from my MMORPG budget.

[Klokos]

Zubi Fett wrote...

brummbrumm wrote...

but thats old news, zubi fett.

all "free to play" mmorpgs incorporate that principle - new character classes, items, character customization - and even those non free to play titles have their own official and unofficial market where you can buy ingame stuff for your dollar.

I do not know how old the principle is exactly, but its been around for more than 10 years.

Yeas, it been long out there, but its getting more aggressive now and its making his push to earn strength. And its the first time i see it implemented in a full price game as a slot machine system.

This slot machien system is an abomination regardless of its on a free to play game or not.

 TF2 did have a cash shop even before it became "free". Not sure if it already had the random boxes.

[Geist.H]

You're only "wasting" your money if your time is worth less than what you're willing to spend on these packs. In reality, going out and working, then spending that money on packs, is likely a better use of your time than sitting in front of your console all day farming credits. At least money can be spent on more than Spectre packs if you so choose.

Edit: Yeah I bought a couple Spectre packs, I had points left over from buying "From Ashes".

This and what Notorious McG said.Pretty much.

Back from work at 19pm, might go up to 19:30 soon, I need to wake up at 6:30, at "best" I can play 3-4 games a day. I have spent 100€ (50 packs.) over ME3 MP since I have acquired the game, using money from cancelled work-lunches and using leftover from the DLC. I got all n7 weapons and gold weapons at X now and do not regret it. I will not buy them anymore.

I do no waste money on coffee, cigarettes, alcohol, MMOs (though I used to.) or changing phone every month, I will not waste my time grinding basic stuff in my hobbies if they allow me to skip the most tedious part of it for a meager fee.

I understand that some people can find this stupid though, just like I find hilariously stupid to kill yourself by wasting "your average amount of cigarettes packets" x 7€ for per week.

Modifié par Geist.H, 03 avril 2012 - 12:15 .

[NaimaRamirez]

Ohh, let me guess!

Was it...
A Lesson in Life and/or The Value of Money?

[thetawaves90]

Notorious McG wrote...

I hear you mate, and it makes a pleasant change not to be chastised for spending my own cash - so I appreciate that. It's just a drop in the ocean though; the way the video games industry is going, every major title will inevitably have charged DLC options (becoming mandatory, imho) in the future. We might aswell all get used to it. 

I think the issue a number of people have is that the only reason companies will continue to release content in DLC-form is because customers are willing to pay for it. The tone of your statement suggests you don't exactly revel in having these charged DLC options becoming more commonplace, so why do you choose to support it with the only real feedback a company will work upon: your money?

It seems unfair on your part that you're having to spend money to get as much out of an online experience as someone else who has spent more time on it. In most other online games, fps and rpg alike, weapons tend to be far more balanced at a given level.

In TF2, the free, vanilla weapons are still regarded as the most balanced, and often most powerful, weapons throughout the gaming experience. In the Battlefield series, you earn class-specific weapons as you progress; each with their own circumstancial strengths and drawbacks, but essentially equal overall. I used to play Guild Wars and I never once had to pay for any item that had an effect on combat.

My point is, I don't feel ME3 customers should have to be paying to overcome underpowered items that have become as such because of the inevitable teething problems with weapon balancing. I feel it will be resolved because of the time the developers appear to spend tweaking the weapon stats, but gamers are feeling the need to pay in the meantime.

I can appreciate your reasoning but it's unfortunate that your approach to the game is necessary to enjoy it.

Modifié par thetawaves90, 03 avril 2012 - 12:26 .

[GONEJAMIN]

is it not true that just buying recruit packs and maxing all the basic weaponry then allows the next teir weapons to appear in said packs?

just something i heard

[thetawaves90]

GONEJAMIN wrote...

is it not true that just buying recruit packs and maxing all the basic weaponry then allows the next teir weapons to appear in said packs?

just something i heard

Not from my experience. I've maxed out the basic weapons and now get lower-tier equipement packs and basic-character experience points.

[GONEJAMIN]

well maybe i shall start saving instead thanx

[Geist.H]

is it not true that just buying recruit packs and maxing all the basic weaponry then allows the next teir weapons to appear in said packs?

just something i heard.

Nvm misread. It is much wiser to spend "real money" on specter packs when you have not/just started working on them to maximize the rentability. Once you are knee-deep into the endgame, it is useless since you will get Character Cards.

Modifié par Geist.H, 03 avril 2012 - 12:32 .

[Final Marauder]

People actually buy an item that doesn't give you a definite item or bonus? WOW I mean come on that is ridiculous. Anyway OP I got 2 Carnifex upgrades in a row

[dedhd]

Oh, so you didn't get "zilch", you didn't get what you wanted. Spectre packs have rares,so you will always get something good. And also, I got my carnifex from a VEteran pack for 20000 in-game credits

[SinnSly]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

well its just disappointing.

i can only stare blankly at my screen for so long, you know?

should i spend more, or what? i just want the carnafax for gods sake.

I got the Carnifex in a Spectre pack, second time I ever bought one :3