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[stribies]

-Asari wrote...

I am N7 751 right now, and I already have every Common Uncommon and Rare gun up to X (10) and Im so tired of trying to get N7 guns out of the box for an upgrade, ive bought over 270+ Spectre packs and haven't even gotten ANOTHER UPGRADE! So I support anyone who uses the Credit Glitch, and if someone teaches me by God i will Do it.

Yeah it's silly that bioware thinks that we want exp for our chars in exchange for 60k credits.

[Distilled Poison]

James, you need to stop imagining everyone else enjoys their play in exactly the way you. You're far too biased. Just because you'd get bored with everything doesn't mean everyone would.

And as far as "being given" things, and "working" for them, how do you decide what's enough effort to have earned a gun? At ~450 N7, have I not earned any guns? What about the people who unlocked their N7 guns at <100 N7?

[Raging Nug]

Phatose wrote...

Ragingnug, the exact same argument could be used to justify aimbot and dodgebots - after all, it doesn't alter my experience if my opponent is using an aimbot, versus simply having good aim.

Are you also OK with aimbot? Dodgebots?

What level of cheating are you OK with?

Opponent? You'll need to enlighten me. I understood that this was a co-operative multiplayer game. If there were a competitive element, I'd wholeheartedly agree. There is none as far as I'm concerned. The score is tallied and equally distributed among all the players.

[RTS suDnd3th]

Phatose wrote...

Ragingnug, the exact same argument could be used to justify aimbot and dodgebots - after all, it doesn't alter my experience if my opponent is using an aimbot, versus simply having good aim.

Are you also OK with aimbot? Dodgebots?

What level of cheating are you OK with?

Aimbots? If i remember correctly Console's have aim assist which drives me damn nuts cause it throws my scope when sniping way off where i was looking sometimes and completely screws over my jumping out of cover and taking a quick shot on gold. Some games it seems to not effect me much other games it makes me miss most of my shots cause of fast i scope up and shoot.

[1jazz]

atm i'm exploiting the neg points glitch, however i only want to get my guys leveled, i'm still waiting for them to fix it and reset their powers.

[Phatose]

Raging Nug wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Ragingnug, the exact same argument could be used to justify aimbot and dodgebots - after all, it doesn't alter my experience if my opponent is using an aimbot, versus simply having good aim.

Are you also OK with aimbot? Dodgebots?

What level of cheating are you OK with?

Opponent? You'll need to enlighten me. I understood that this was a co-operative multiplayer game. If there were a competitive element, I'd wholeheartedly agree. There is none as far as I'm concerned. The score is tallied and equally distributed among all the players.

Are you or are you not OK with players using aimbots in this game?

[Distilled Poison]

@Phatose
"Ragingnug, the exact same argument could be used to justify aimbot and dodgebots - after all, it doesn't alter my experience if my opponent is using an aimbot, versus simply having good aim.

Are you also OK with aimbot? Dodgebots?

What level of cheating are you OK with?"

You need to put that slippery slope baloney away. Getting fast credits to buy guns in the game is NOT the same as flat out altering code to automate performance. Being accepting of one is not the same as the other.

[jamesb71486]

Distilled Poison wrote...

James, you need to stop imagining everyone else enjoys their play in exactly the way you. You're far too biased. Just because you'd get bored with everything doesn't mean everyone would.

And as far as "being given" things, and "working" for them, how do you decide what's enough effort to have earned a gun? At ~450 N7, have I not earned any guns? What about the people who unlocked their N7 guns at <100 N7?

I don't disagree that the weapons are hard to get.. I just think that people shouldn't be allowed to glitch their way to everything. Should Bioware make some of the 'ultra rares' easier to get? Definitely but them being "ultra rare" doesn't excuse cheating..

[Hiero Glyph]

1jazz wrote...

atm i'm exploiting the neg points glitch, however i only want to get my guys leveled, i'm still waiting for them to fix it and reset their powers.

There is a huge difference between exploiting a glitch intentionally and experiencing one unintentionally.  The credit glitch requires setting up and so the chances of encountering it unintentionally are quite rare.  The same cannot be said for the promotion glitch, as many players encountered it during the last event through no effort on their part.

Modifié par Hiero Glyph, 03 avril 2012 - 01:46 .

[Phatose]

Distilled Poison wrote...

@Phatose
"Ragingnug, the exact same argument could be used to justify aimbot and dodgebots - after all, it doesn't alter my experience if my opponent is using an aimbot, versus simply having good aim.

Are you also OK with aimbot? Dodgebots?

What level of cheating are you OK with?"

You need to put that slippery slope baloney away. Getting fast credits to buy guns in the game is NOT the same as flat out altering code to automate performance. Being accepting of one is not the same as the other.

Oh, and pray tell, what's the difference?  One uses an exploit in the games code, one uses additional code on top of it.  Both are cheats.

[Trix-Rabbit]

None of the N7 guns are really all that great, the paladin was nice before the weight change. Now every gun is sub par vs silver/gold and even some Common guns like the mantis.

[wolfstanus]

There is no gray area of cheating you ether cheat or you don't. If you use a glitch an exploit etc you cheated.

[stribies]

jamesb71486 wrote...

Distilled Poison wrote...

James, you need to stop imagining everyone else enjoys their play in exactly the way you. You're far too biased. Just because you'd get bored with everything doesn't mean everyone would.

And as far as "being given" things, and "working" for them, how do you decide what's enough effort to have earned a gun? At ~450 N7, have I not earned any guns? What about the people who unlocked their N7 guns at <100 N7?

I don't disagree that the weapons are hard to get.. I just think that people shouldn't be allowed to glitch their way to everything. Should Bioware make some of the 'ultra rares' easier to get? Definitely but them being "ultra rare" doesn't excuse cheating..

I don't have any issues with someone cheating as long as it's not affecting the players around them. So what if they got their ultra rares all maxed out. Good for them. Those items arn't going to make any difference honestly. I wouldn't encourage it since it risks getting banned, but if they're having fun then I'm not going to make any complaints.

I cheated in dragon age after I beat the game. I still had fun doing it.

[Raging Nug]

Phatose wrote...
Oh, and pray tell, what's the difference?  One uses an exploit in the games code, one uses additional code on top of it.  Both are cheats.

Your skewed prejudice aside, most people will agree that there's a key difference between the two. As I pointed out, the credit exploit still requires that players complete the tenth wave objective on Gold. The fact that players are skipping the first nine waves simply means they're spending less time to get there - it in no way makes the game any 'easier'.

[jamesb71486]

stribies wrote...

jamesb71486 wrote...

Distilled Poison wrote...

James, you need to stop imagining everyone else enjoys their play in exactly the way you. You're far too biased. Just because you'd get bored with everything doesn't mean everyone would.

And as far as "being given" things, and "working" for them, how do you decide what's enough effort to have earned a gun? At ~450 N7, have I not earned any guns? What about the people who unlocked their N7 guns at <100 N7?

I don't disagree that the weapons are hard to get.. I just think that people shouldn't be allowed to glitch their way to everything. Should Bioware make some of the 'ultra rares' easier to get? Definitely but them being "ultra rare" doesn't excuse cheating..

I don't have any issues with someone cheating as long as it's not affecting the players around them. So what if they got their ultra rares all maxed out. Good for them. Those items arn't going to make any difference honestly. I wouldn't encourage it since it risks getting banned, but if they're having fun then I'm not going to make any complaints.

I cheated in dragon age after I beat the game. I still had fun doing it.

Cheating in a single player game is on a whole different league than cheating in an online mode.. even one that is 'co-op'.

[Hiero Glyph]

Raging Nug wrote...

Phatose wrote...
Oh, and pray tell, what's the difference?  One uses an exploit in the games code, one uses additional code on top of it.  Both are cheats.

Your skewed prejudice aside, most people will agree that there's a key difference between the two. As I pointed out, the credit exploit still requires that players complete the tenth wave objective on Gold. The fact that players are skipping the first nine waves simply means they're spending less time to get there - it in no way makes the game any 'easier'.

I'm sorry but not having to complete the previous 9 waves makes it much easier.  You have a limited number of equipment per match, so having it all for a single wave provides a substantial advantage.  Also, the chances of having something go wrong on the previous 9 waves is also entirely possible so it is easier to do less even though wave 10 is equally challenging.

Modifié par Hiero Glyph, 03 avril 2012 - 01:54 .

[Raging Nug]

Hiero Glyph wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

Phatose wrote...
Oh, and pray tell, what's the difference?  One uses an exploit in the games code, one uses additional code on top of it.  Both are cheats.

Your skewed prejudice aside, most people will agree that there's a key difference between the two. As I pointed out, the credit exploit still requires that players complete the tenth wave objective on Gold. The fact that players are skipping the first nine waves simply means they're spending less time to get there - it in no way makes the game any 'easier'.

I'm sorry but not having to complete the previous 9 waves makes it much easier.  You have a limited number of equipment per match, so having it all for a single wave provides a substantial advantage.  Also, the chances of having something go wrong on the previous 9 waves is also entirely possible so it is easier to do less even though wave 10 is equally challenging.

You bring up a fair point. Things 'can' go wrong along the way, but my team and I have played Firebase Giant on Gold with Geth enough to know that things will 'usually' go the way we want to. We don't have a 100% chance of success, but it's maybe closer to 95%.

I accept that skipping the first nine waves might give some people an advantage, but the people who farm Gold already would probably find it no easier than they already do.

[stribies]

jamesb71486 wrote...

stribies wrote...

jamesb71486 wrote...

Distilled Poison wrote...

James, you need to stop imagining everyone else enjoys their play in exactly the way you. You're far too biased. Just because you'd get bored with everything doesn't mean everyone would.

And as far as "being given" things, and "working" for them, how do you decide what's enough effort to have earned a gun? At ~450 N7, have I not earned any guns? What about the people who unlocked their N7 guns at <100 N7?

I don't disagree that the weapons are hard to get.. I just think that people shouldn't be allowed to glitch their way to everything. Should Bioware make some of the 'ultra rares' easier to get? Definitely but them being "ultra rare" doesn't excuse cheating..

I don't have any issues with someone cheating as long as it's not affecting the players around them. So what if they got their ultra rares all maxed out. Good for them. Those items arn't going to make any difference honestly. I wouldn't encourage it since it risks getting banned, but if they're having fun then I'm not going to make any complaints.

I cheated in dragon age after I beat the game. I still had fun doing it.

Cheating in a single player game is on a whole different league than cheating in an online mode.. even one that is 'co-op'.

I can't agree with that when it's coop only. If there's no harm to other players around you then why should anyone care? They're having fun. The game right now is no longer challenging as all the "best builds" and guns to beat gold have been revealed. If there was some sort of competitive mode, then I might care more as it would just end up making people rage.

[Hiero Glyph]

Raging Nug wrote...

You bring up a fair point. Things 'can' go wrong along the way, but my team and I have played Firebase Giant on Gold with Geth enough to know that things will 'usually' go the way we want to. We don't have a 100% chance of success, but it's maybe closer to 95%.

I accept that skipping the first nine waves might give some people an advantage, but the people who farm Gold already would probably find it no easier than they already do.

My group experiences similar success as well.  The bigger issue is being able to repeat this exploit continually with very little delay between wave 10's.  So while both wave 10's are equally challenging their payoff is much larger given the small amount of time they have invested.  This is further compounded when equipment packs are available for sale as they can then resupply their missiles every few waves making the entire process extremely trivial.

[Raging Nug]

Hiero Glyph wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

You bring up a fair point. Things 'can' go wrong along the way, but my team and I have played Firebase Giant on Gold with Geth enough to know that things will 'usually' go the way we want to. We don't have a 100% chance of success, but it's maybe closer to 95%.

I accept that skipping the first nine waves might give some people an advantage, but the people who farm Gold already would probably find it no easier than they already do.

My group experiences similar success as well.  The bigger issue is being able to repeat this exploit continually with very little delay between wave 10's.  So while both wave 10's are equally challenging their payoff is much larger given the small amount of time they have invested.  This is further compounded when equipment packs are available for sale as they can then resupply their missiles every few waves making the entire process extremely trivial.

I think the maximum number of missiles someone can carry is ten right now. If four players go into the game and each use one missile each round, they would then be able to re-supply after every gold match. Would that be any different?

[Hiero Glyph]

Raging Nug wrote...

Hiero Glyph wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

You bring up a fair point. Things 'can' go wrong along the way, but my team and I have played Firebase Giant on Gold with Geth enough to know that things will 'usually' go the way we want to. We don't have a 100% chance of success, but it's maybe closer to 95%.

I accept that skipping the first nine waves might give some people an advantage, but the people who farm Gold already would probably find it no easier than they already do.

My group experiences similar success as well.  The bigger issue is being able to repeat this exploit continually with very little delay between wave 10's.  So while both wave 10's are equally challenging their payoff is much larger given the small amount of time they have invested.  This is further compounded when equipment packs are available for sale as they can then resupply their missiles every few waves making the entire process extremely trivial.

I think the maximum number of missiles someone can carry is ten right now. If four players go into the game and each use one missile each round, they would then be able to re-supply after every gold match. Would that be any different?

Certainly as the payout for just wave 10 is over half of completing waves 1-10 (~40k versus ~70k).  In the end it mathematically provides more return for less effort and time, even when missiles are used.

Modifié par Hiero Glyph, 03 avril 2012 - 02:39 .

[xtorma]

wolfstanus wrote...

There is no gray area of cheating you ether cheat or you don't. If you use a glitch an exploit etc you cheated.

Exactly , it's not a matter of who gets hurt , its a testement to ones character. If you can justify a small, seemingly harmless cheat, then its not a big stretch to believe you can take the next step down.

[Raging Nug]

Hiero, I think that we can agree that the exploit only helps with regard to payout over time. It's credits that people would get anyway. Were the store not randomized, I might be more inclined to condemn it, but the credits themselves only allow the purchase for randomized item packs, not weapons or characters themselves.

xtorma wrote...

wolfstanus wrote...

There is no gray area of cheating you ether cheat or you don't. If you use a glitch an exploit etc you cheated.

Exactly , it's not a matter of who gets hurt , its a testement to ones character. If you can justify a small, seemingly harmless cheat, then its not a big stretch to believe you can take the next step down.  

I don't believe the exploit changes anything. Would you be able to tell if a player had cheated simply by looking at the weapons they're using? Weapons are earned randomly. The credits used to purchase the item packs don't guarantee anything. I know people who exploited the credit glitch for days who didn't get a single N7 weapon, who's to say that the reverse isn't also true and that someone might have a Black Widow X legitimately?

I don't hold with those who believe that they're somehow being slighted because other people are getting credits faster than they are. The store doesn't care whether the credits are legitimate or not, it shells out random stuff all the same.

[Distilled Poison]

So, xtorma, by your logic of "cheating is cheating" using any cheats a in single player makes you a lesser person? For that matter, if you're judging a person's character by how they enjoy a game without hurting anyone else, you take games WAAAAAAAY too seriously.

I can't believe it's 2012 and people are still using slippery slope fallacies and demanding credibility.

Modifié par Distilled Poison, 03 avril 2012 - 02:51 .

[thavelka]

I don't really understand why people find unlocking items in a random system more fun than playing full matches of the game itself. I guess some people just want to find ways to pull the arm of the slot machine faster and faster.

I like trying to accomplish gold runs quickly, effectively and go for full extractions, even if there is no monetary incentive because it's kind of satisfying. The variable ratio reward system isn't very fun and I'd rather just enjoy the actual game than glitch to get lots of money and unlock a million more krogan sentinels and drell vanguards.

The game isn't competitive and the hardest content currently in the game doesn't require some ultimate gear setup, so I find the glitching stuff a little bizarre, but what do I care what people do with their time?