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[Czw]

I've spread word of this exploit SO MUCH for the mere purpose of BioWare hearing it enough to fix it.

[wolfstanus]

@nug

It's a matter of moral. If you cheat chances are you have weak moral. You will repeat . And chances are cheating will get worse over time because that's the general way it goes.

I tend to look down on cheaters.

[Raging Nug]

wolfstanus wrote...
@nug

It's a matter of moral. If you cheat chances are you have weak moral. You will repeat . And chances are cheating will get worse over time because that's the general way it goes.

I tend to look down on cheaters.

Cheating isn't morally wrong because it's cheating, that would be circular. Cheating is wrong because it breaks an otherwise balanced system. I'm arguing that this particular exploit does not break the system, and that the fact that the reward system is randomized supports my position. Like I said earlier, everyone has an equal chance at getting a Black Widow in a Spectre pack - the exploit simply gives people more credits to spend, not better luck. If someone gets a Black Widow, it's because the game randomly decided to award it, not because the player earned it or because they cheated to get more credits.

[LeTtRrZ]

I believe this exploit has been patched as of early April.

[Battlepope190]

Cheating is cheating, regardless of the game being co-op or competitive. You exploit, your'e a scumbag.

[Raging Nug]

Battlepope190 wrote...

Cheating is cheating, regardless of the game being co-op or competitive. You exploit, your'e a scumbag.

Well that settles it doesn't it? Your comprehensive and eloquent position has moved me.

False.

Your value judgment does not add to the conversation or provide any new perspective.

Edit: I don't mean to sound like a ****** - well I do, but I 'really' don't like it when people give blanket judgments on people with no explanation given. It shows that there hasn't been any real thought put into it, and I don't like it when people judge one another because of prejudice.

Modifié par Raging Nug, 03 avril 2012 - 03:56 .

[Distilled Poison]

Lol@People claiming that people who enjoy the game in their own way without affecting others are "morally weak" "scumbags." Sometimes I think I invest too much in video games, then I see people say things like this. Just... wow. As a huuuge video game nerd, I hate to say this, but get a life. If you judge a person by such a simple thing, you need to re-evaluate your priorities.

[wolfstanus]

@ nug

You agreed to the TOS. The tos basically says you will not cheat. An unfair advantage in a co-op game such as this could mean earning more credits because you glitches the system thus allowing you to buy several time more packs than the mass majority of players who played the game as intended.

[Distilled Poison]

Since when does using the weapons in the game count as an unfair advantage? Furthermore, how does one get an unfair advantage in a strictly co-op game. This place would be so much quieter without that pointless scoreboard.

[xtorma]

Distilled Poison wrote...

So, xtorma, by your logic of "cheating is cheating" using any cheats a in single player makes you a lesser person? For that matter, if you're judging a person's character by how they enjoy a game without hurting anyone else, you take games WAAAAAAAY too seriously.

I can't believe it's 2012 and people are still using slippery slope fallacies and demanding credibility.

I'm an old guy , it's what i was taught. It has served me well. a small lie leads to a bigger lie, a small cheat to a bigger one etc...You were taught differently so be it.

[wolfstanus]

Distilled Poison wrote...

Lol@People claiming that people who enjoy the game in their own way without affecting others are "morally weak" "scumbags." Sometimes I think I invest too much in video games, then I see people say things like this. Just... wow. As a huuuge video game nerd, I hate to say this, but get a life. If you judge a person by such a simple thing, you need to re-evaluate your priorities.

The mass majority of cheaters have weak morals. As I'll quote them "i dont care. I'm having fun" well that's great you just ruined the fun for the 3-60+ gamers you were with. Also breaking the document you agreed to (aka tos aka terms of service) but that's ok they had fun who care about the others. So aimbots, wall hacking, noclip mods, using the smg as a rocket launcher. Etc is ok. As I had said most cheaters are weak people. With weak mindsets. Nug has morals. He has a point were he will not go from what I read in his posts. But he's a small percent when it comes to cheaters.

[Killateral DMG]

Until they patch it I say it is fair game. I honestly found it boring after a bit and just started doing normal runs.

It doesn't harm anyone unless a random joins your game and wants to play a real game but is forced into having everyone die to get credits. I consider this a sort of grinding.

[Distilled Poison]

xtorma, what you're arguing is that people aren't capable of self control, that once you do one thing, you can't NOT do another. So because I exploit one small bug that makes the game more enjoyable for me without affecting others, that I am now incapable of stopping myself from using hacks that do affect others? There's a reason slippery slope fallacies are considered one of the worst fallacies. They're based on the worst of arguments, back by nothing but narrow and biased perception.

[wolfstanus]

Distilled Poison wrote...

Since when does using the weapons in the game count as an unfair advantage? Furthermore, how does one get an unfair advantage in a strictly co-op game. This place would be so much quieter without that pointless scoreboard.

Simple. I have to work 2-4 times harder than you playing as the game was intended to be played. While you did half the work or less and are rewarded more than me allowing you to buy more packs and equipment. If it is also detrimental to the health to the community as to what you are doing. Leaching glitching etc ea has the power to label you as such and terminate your ability to use their product and services and since money is also tied to these packs ea and their lawyers in the temple of doom can make a mess of your life. Chances are they won't. But you really never know since that one kid got sued for moding his ps3.

[Distilled Poison]

""i dont care. I'm having fun"" - Exactly. It's their experience they're affecting, and no one else.

"you just ruined the fun for the 3-60+ gamers you were with." - How? The fact that I got a Paladin quicker than I otherwise would have affects other people how? Other than a very slight DPS increase, there is no difference between a person who got their gun by chance and a person who got their gun by aided chance.

"So aimbots, wall hacking, noclip mods, using the smg as a rocket launcher. Etc is ok."

These are direct modifications to the game, something you can not get without editing code, that can break the game. It is also a slippery slope argument, and implies that people who want to play with in game guns also want to modify in things never intended to be in the game. This is a ridiculous assumption, but I addressed it anyway.

[wolfstanus]

These Terms of Service generally specify behaviors that are disallowed within the video game's virtual world, generally to prevent a player from disrupting another player's game experience.

Dies me3 support more than 4 in one match? Kind of a derp on your part. As I was talking about general gaming.

Use your head if a behaviors is detrimental to the game you are playing you can and will get banned from that games as you broke tos. 

Modifié par wolfstanus, 03 avril 2012 - 04:45 .

[thavelka]

Killateral DMG wrote...

Until they patch it I say it is fair game. I honestly found it boring after a bit and just started doing normal runs.

It doesn't harm anyone unless a random joins your game and wants to play a real game but is forced into having everyone die to get credits. I consider this a sort of grinding.

This makes sense to me.

[Distilled Poison]

"Simple. I have to work 2-4 times harder than you playing as the game was intended to be played."

And what about the people who received N7 weapons early on, and people who still to this day haven't received any?

"While you did half the work or less and are rewarded more than me"

See the above. I'm level 457ish, and all I have is a Scorpion I. Have I not earned what I'd like to play with? All I want is a Sabre or Widow. Is 450+ levels not good enough?

[wolfstanus]

thavelka wrote...

Killateral DMG wrote...

Until they patch it I say it is fair game. I honestly found it boring after a bit and just started doing normal runs.

It doesn't harm anyone unless a random joins your game and wants to play a real game but is forced into having everyone die to get credits. I consider this a sort of grinding.

This makes sense to me.

 Exactly you just ruined his experience in the game. Hey that's detrimental to the community and you broke tos. 1-3 people per game prr10-15 minutes. Wow that's a lot of people.

[Distilled Poison]

Who would leave the lobby open to randoms who would disrupt the process? That scenario is based on multiple far out assumptions.

[wolfstanus]

Distilled Poison wrote...

"Simple. I have to work 2-4 times harder than you playing as the game was intended to be played."

And what about the people who received N7 weapons early on, and people who still to this day haven't received any?

"While you did half the work or less and are rewarded more than me"

See the above. I'm level 457ish, and all I have is a Scorpion I. Have I not earned what I'd like to play with? All I want is a Sabre or Widow. Is 450+ levels not good enough?

What they participated in a event hosted by ea/bioware. Invalid argument. As these are weekly events.

N7 rank has nothing to do with anything. You promoted a lot. That's it has nothing to do with skill or work. Because a leech can be 700 n7 and do nothing. 

[xtorma]

Distilled Poison wrote...

xtorma, what you're arguing is that people aren't capable of self control, that once you do one thing, you can't NOT do another. So because I exploit one small bug that makes the game more enjoyable for me without affecting others, that I am now incapable of stopping myself from using hacks that do affect others? There's a reason slippery slope fallacies are considered one of the worst fallacies. They're based on the worst of arguments, back by nothing but narrow and biased perception.

I am saying I have to believe you are capable of it. The way i was raised , i was taught to believe you are a thief no matter if you steal 1 cent or a million dollars. Like i said, i am an old guy, things have changed, but i am afraid my way of thinking never will.

I am not saying you are a bad guy , I just think you have made a bad choice, but it's my opinion and i am allowed to express it here. You believe you are not wrong, so you are not, in your mind, others would disagree. This discussion is based on each of our personal beliefs, and there can never be resolution for it. you believe cheating is ok in certian circumstances, i do not. It's just the way it is.

[Distilled Poison]

The hell are you going on about? I said NOTHING about weekend events! I said people who received N7 (ultra rare) weapons from Spectre packs early on. IE., with, as you put it, little work.

As for my next statement, you're arguing semantics. I'll restate. I have put A LOT of effort and time into multiplayer with nothing to show for it. Does that mean I haven't "worked" enough? If so, what about those who received N7 (ultra rare) weapons with little investment.

[wolfstanus]

Ok I'll put it in a simple fun fact.

Bungie/ms/343 banning people from multiplayer and or earning credits in halo reach for glitching weekly goals. At first they didn't. But then as it grew in popularity they started. It was labeled as detrimental to the game, unfair to the community and cheating. To glitch the goals all you had to do was turn off your modem/router. It did not hurt anybody but they still got the ban hammer.


Also you should have specified what n7 weapons. Remember theres the event n7 and regular n7.

Ea/bioware can easily do the same thing. When this becomes a problem. It's not a matter of if but when.

Also cheaters always start small their reasons always differ but eventually it becomes "I'm having fun" untill they get banned and they cry and kick on the forums.

Modifié par wolfstanus, 03 avril 2012 - 05:08 .

[thavelka]

Distilled Poison wrote...

Who would leave the lobby open to randoms who would disrupt the process? That scenario is based on multiple far out assumptions.

wolfstanus misinterpreted me and the post I'm quoting. The point is that it really isn't harmful and is just a form of unfun grinding. The scenario was only mentioned to demonstrate how unlikely it is that anyone would be negatively impacted by it.

Modifié par thavelka, 03 avril 2012 - 05:07 .