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[Raging Nug]

Highlord Heian wrote...
Good?

They cheated. Won't break my heart if they leave. 

You're missing the point. The community would shrink. Other people using exploit isn't diminishing your gameplay experience - for all I know you haven't even played with someone who's cheated. How many randoms do you play with? How many of them do you think would disappear?

What you fail to understand is that this is a co-operative game that thrives on being accessible. Teamwork is necessary. If you're going to start pointing fingers because such-and-such is getting more credits than you, or performing better than you are, you're missing the point of the game. They're your team. This isn't a competitive game, and the only even remotely competitive aspect isn't related to credits in the first place.

[TSCIGAR]

Credit glitching affects me. If enough people do it, it undermines the viability of the store as a moneymaker for EA/Bioware, which means that all new content will probably cost money (developers need to be paid). So, because some people HAD to have every gun and weren't willing to do it the intended way, I'm out 10 bucks every time there's a new map or character pack. If I don't buy it, then I'll only be able to play with SOME people. And that's a big reason why MP communities die.

I don't care if it's fun for you or doesn't matter in the short run. If you credit glitch, you are making it significantly more likely for it to cost everybody real money for actual new content. That will make the MP less enjoyable for everyone in the long run. What do you really gain, after all? A shiny new gun you don't need to succeed anyway?

[Raging Nug]

TSCIGAR wrote...
Credit glitching affects me. If enough people do it, it undermines the viability of the store as a moneymaker for EA/Bioware, which means that all new content will probably cost money (developers need to be paid).

... but new content already costs money. Bioware releases DLC pretty consistently, and the only game I've played with Free DLC was Portal 2.

So, because some people HAD to have every gun and weren't willing to do it the intended way, I'm out 10 bucks every time there's a new map or character pack. If I don't buy it, then I'll only be able to play with SOME people. And that's a big reason why MP communities die.

You're kind of assuming that it would otherwise be free, and I don't think there's much of a precedent for that.

[termokanden]

Raging Nug wrote...

Highlord Heian wrote...
Good?

They cheated. Won't break my heart if they leave. 

You're missing the point. The community would shrink. Other people using exploit isn't diminishing your gameplay experience - for all I know you haven't even played with someone who's cheated. How many randoms do you play with? How many of them do you think would disappear?

It does diminish my experience to play with cheaters. I cheapens the game, and I just don't want to deal with it.

I won't miss the cheaters if they leave. It might take me a longer time to find a game, but at least there won't be cheaters in it.

You know what I do when I find out someone's cheating? I leave. I hate it that much. I want to at least feel like I've earned my wins

Modifié par termokanden, 03 avril 2012 - 07:07 .

[Raging Nug]

"I want to at least feel like I've earned my wins"

And... what, playing with people who perform better than you makes you feel as though you haven't earned a victory? I feel like that's the same as saying "If my score isn't at the top by wave nine, I leave.".

Edit: Furthermore, unless you see someone cheating and resetting the waves, you can't tell a cheater from a regular player, can you? How does it diminish your experience to play with cheaters if you don't even know they're cheaters?

Modifié par Raging Nug, 03 avril 2012 - 07:14 .

[termokanden]

Raging Nug wrote...

"I want to at least feel like I've earned my wins"

And... what, playing with people who perform better than you makes you feel as though you haven't earned a victory? I feel like that's the same as saying "If my score isn't at the top by wave nine, I leave.".

Granted, you don't really win a match all by yourself. But if someone on your team cheated, none of you deserved to win.

This may mean nothing to you, but it does to some of us.

I have cheated many times in singleplayer games for fun. It gets boring very quickly. That's why I don't want to be forced to cheat by other players. It's only good for some cheap laughs for about 5 minutes.

Edit: As for your other question. When I suddenly have infinite ammo, I notice it. How about getting too many credits for a match, wouldn't you notice that? It does affect others. And even if you didn't see it, that doesn't make it right. I want to play the game as intended and lose when my team isn't good enough.

Modifié par termokanden, 03 avril 2012 - 07:17 .

[Raging Nug]

Post made redundant by above edit.

Modifié par Raging Nug, 03 avril 2012 - 07:19 .

[Raging Nug]

Well, that's well and good, but this thread is about the credit farming exploit. Infinite ammunition, invincibility, and earning more credits than normal are all instances of people modifying the game code, and I'm not defending those. I'm taking about the exploit explicitly.

Can you tell if you're playing with someone who's used the exploit, and does that diminish your experience?

[Gillityr The Original]

I hope the cheaters are hit so hard with the ban-hammer that they are unable to play future games I might be playing. Cheating clowns can all die in a fire for all I care. If you want to mod/hack, do so on a single player game. Anyone trying to ask "Who is the cheater hurting?" is just an untrustworthy pile of dung. Ban them; all of them.

[Raging Nug]

It's a good thing you've got such a comprehensive view on things, Gillityr, otherwise you might come off as an arrogant elitist.

[termokanden]

Raging Nug wrote...

Well, that's well and good, but this thread is about the credit farming exploit. Infinite ammunition, invincibility, and earning more credits than normal are all instances of people modifying the game code, and I'm not defending those. I'm taking about the exploit explicitly.

Can you tell if you're playing with someone who's used the exploit, and does that diminish your experience?

OK. My little rant may have been off-topic so let's get back there.

Credit farming exploit? I care less about that than when someone is messing directly with my game. But I still don't think it should be tolerated. You're right, I can't tell if someone has used it or not. There really is no way to know. I still don't think it's alright. Then again, I am very much against the booster pack system anyway, so I can sort of understand why these exploits are going on.

[xtorma]

Gillityr The Original wrote...

I hope the cheaters are hit so hard with the ban-hammer that they are unable to play future games I might be playing. Cheating clowns can all die in a fire for all I care. If you want to mod/hack, do so on a single player game. Anyone trying to ask "Who is the cheater hurting?" is just an untrustworthy pile of dung. Ban them; all of them.

No , you don't understand. just because they cheat a little bit does not mean they will cheat a lot if given the opportunity. This is what they have been saying. They have self control. they only cheat a little.

[tvih]

jamesb71486 wrote...
It's an online game though.. if they gave everyone everything they wanted.. what would be the fun in trying? Sure you have to work for things but that ultimately makes it all the better when you get it.

Maybe i'm just 'old school' but where's the fun if things are easy to come by.. maybe they should just add a marketplace so people can buy what they want without having to go through the whole "pack" thing.

If you were "old school", you wouldn't need stupid gear grinds to have fun with a game. I certainly didn't need any other reasons than fun to play games before this relatively speaking quite new achievement/unlock craze, and I don't need anything but fun now either. Yeah, I might do an achievement while I'm playing for example, but whether or not I play does in no way depend on said achievement existing. BF1942 didn't have achievements or even stats, yet I played hours upon hours of it (or well, to be exact, its Forgotten Hope mod). Now, I will say that I am kind of a stats freak in games that do have them, but again, even if a game doesn't have them I don't care as long as it is fun to play.

Also, difficulty is one thing, stupid random number generators are another and have nothing to do with each other whatsoever. Luck isn't skill. To me the store system detracks from the experience and adds nothing positive. I play to defeat the enemy, not to participate in stupid time-wasting lotteries that don't let me get the class or gun I enjoy.

[Raging Nug]

termokanden wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

Well, that's well and good, but this thread is about the credit farming exploit. Infinite ammunition, invincibility, and earning more credits than normal are all instances of people modifying the game code, and I'm not defending those. I'm taking about the exploit explicitly.

Can you tell if you're playing with someone who's used the exploit, and does that diminish your experience?

OK. My little rant may have been off-topic so let's get back there.

Credit farming exploit? I care less about that than when someone is messing directly with my game. But I still don't think it should be tolerated. You're right, I can't tell if someone has used it or not. There really is no way to know. I still don't think it's alright. Then again, I am very much against the booster pack system anyway, so I can sort of understand why these exploits are going on. 

I'm more or less of the same mind. My friends have used it, but stopped within the same week because they didn't want to abuse it. Sure, some of them have higher level Widows and even a few of them have Black Widows, but their gear doesn't impact my game. If the reward system wasn't randomized, I'd be against the exploit entirely, but as it is, credit farming doesn't guarantee you anything.

[TSCIGAR]

Raging Nug wrote...

TSCIGAR wrote...
Credit glitching affects me. If enough people do it, it undermines the viability of the store as a moneymaker for EA/Bioware, which means that all new content will probably cost money (developers need to be paid).

... but new content already costs money. Bioware releases DLC pretty consistently, and the only game I've played with Free DLC was Portal 2.

So, because some people HAD to have every gun and weren't willing to do it the intended way, I'm out 10 bucks every time there's a new map or character pack. If I don't buy it, then I'll only be able to play with SOME people. And that's a big reason why MP communities die.

You're kind of assuming that it would otherwise be free, and I don't think there's much of a precedent for that.

Well, the corollary here would be Freemium games like League of Legends. Microtransactions drive it, so they get a lot of new content free, and it's been a great business model for them. It would be reasonable to conclude that EA is probably going for the same thing- unlimited microtransactions will work out better for them in the long run than one-shots for DLC, especially if they keep adding new characters and weapons that you gain ACCESS to for free, but don't actually get until you get it in a pack (thus driving more microtransactions).

It makes a lot more sense to assume that than "Hurting a company's bottom line in one way won't translate to them trying to make up the difference in another). I'm assuming because my way is a viable business strategy that will probably maximize profits. Your way makes everybody unhappy and less likely to buy any of it, including the glitchers who are already unwilling to give them money or even just play the damn game they already bought.

By undermining the Store system, you ARE minimizing EAs profits, and they WILL look for that money some other way. Even if DLC still isn't free, it's much more likely to cost less if the store is getting them the numbers they want.

[Gillityr The Original]

xtorma wrote...

Gillityr The Original wrote...

I hope the cheaters are hit so hard with the ban-hammer that they are unable to play future games I might be playing. Cheating clowns can all die in a fire for all I care. If you want to mod/hack, do so on a single player game. Anyone trying to ask "Who is the cheater hurting?" is just an untrustworthy pile of dung. Ban them; all of them.

No , you don't understand. just because they cheat a little bit does not mean they will cheat a lot if given the opportunity. This is what they have been saying. They have self control. they only cheat a little.

The ones who, as you say, "cheat a little" can simply be "banned a little".  Just one lifetime.  And they should have their most prized body part tazered repeatedly (for each offense).

[Raging Nug]

I can agree that it might impact the overall cost of purchasing new DLC, but I still don't agree that it would be free. Isn't League of Legends an MMO?

"Your way makes everybody unhappy and less likely to buy any of it, including the glitchers who are already unwilling to give them money or even just play the damn game they already bought."

Well, my way just gives people less incentive to purchase, but let's be honest, with all the failed transactions, relock glitches, and dissatisfied customers, I don't think there's much incentive left right now anyway, is there?

[Quixal]

Much has been made in this thread of how little getting the best gear matters... by those feeling the driving need to cheat to get it.

Personally, I would rather not have to deal with such people. Will I always realize I am in a match with one of them? No. And maybe that is a good thing in the long run.

With a little luck they will end up getting banned or at least reset. I find that doubtful but one can always hope.

[Raging Nug]

Gillityr The Original wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Gillityr The Original wrote...

I hope the cheaters are hit so hard with the ban-hammer that they are unable to play future games I might be playing. Cheating clowns can all die in a fire for all I care. If you want to mod/hack, do so on a single player game. Anyone trying to ask "Who is the cheater hurting?" is just an untrustworthy pile of dung. Ban them; all of them.

No , you don't understand. just because they cheat a little bit does not mean they will cheat a lot if given the opportunity. This is what they have been saying. They have self control. they only cheat a little.

The ones who, as you say, "cheat a little" can simply be "banned a little".  Just one lifetime.  And they should have their most prized body part tazered repeatedly (for each offense).

Can't tell if trolling... or draconian...

[Gillityr The Original]

Raging Nug wrote...

Gillityr The Original wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Gillityr The Original wrote...

I hope the cheaters are hit so hard with the ban-hammer that they are unable to play future games I might be playing. Cheating clowns can all die in a fire for all I care. If you want to mod/hack, do so on a single player game. Anyone trying to ask "Who is the cheater hurting?" is just an untrustworthy pile of dung. Ban them; all of them.

No , you don't understand. just because they cheat a little bit does not mean they will cheat a lot if given the opportunity. This is what they have been saying. They have self control. they only cheat a little.

The ones who, as you say, "cheat a little" can simply be "banned a little".  Just one lifetime.  And they should have their most prized body part tazered repeatedly (for each offense).

Can't tell if trolling... or draconian...

I believe in honesty and decency.  Cheating in a multi-player video game shows a complete lack of respect for other people.  Selfish and immature, pure and simple. 

[Raging Nug]

"Cheating in a multi-player video game shows a complete lack of respect for other people."

What, because they get more credits than they would have otherwise? The gameplay is not changed, and frankly, you can't even tell if someone you're playing with has used the credit exploit in the first place.

Your value judgement doesn't add to the discussion.

[Gillityr The Original]

Raging Nug wrote...

"Cheating in a multi-player video game shows a complete lack of respect for other people."

What, because they get more credits than they would have otherwise? The gameplay is not changed, and frankly, you can't even tell if someone you're playing with has used the credit exploit in the first place.

Your value judgement doesn't add to the discussion.

I could care less what other people have, as long as they earned it.  Kudos to those who play a lot and earned what they get.  

Your lack of consideration for others is repulsive.

[Raging Nug]

Gillityr The Original wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

"Cheating in a multi-player video game shows a complete lack of respect for other people."

What, because they get more credits than they would have otherwise? The gameplay is not changed, and frankly, you can't even tell if someone you're playing with has used the credit exploit in the first place.

Your value judgement doesn't add to the discussion.

I could care less what other people have, as long as they earned it.  Kudos to those who play a lot and earned what they get.  

Your lack of consideration for others is repulsive. 

People don't 'earn' items, the reward system is randomized. I know people with an N7 rank higher than 300 who haven't seen a single N7 weapon from a spectre pack. My own N7 rank is about 228, and I have a Sabre II. Don't tell me I've earned it and they haven't. That's ridiculous.

Your willingness to judge complete strangers based on a situation you don't even seem to comprehend is degenerate.

[xtorma]

Gillityr The Original wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

"Cheating in a multi-player video game shows a complete lack of respect for other people."

What, because they get more credits than they would have otherwise? The gameplay is not changed, and frankly, you can't even tell if someone you're playing with has used the credit exploit in the first place.

Your value judgement doesn't add to the discussion.

I could care less what other people have, as long as they earned it.  Kudos to those who play a lot and earned what they get.  

Your lack of consideration for others is repulsive.

He is considerate to others, i am sure he helps old ladys across the street in his spare time, he just believes it's ok to cheat a little.

[Raging Nug]

I also volunteer my time as part of Big Brothers and Big Sisters of Toronto, but that's beside the point.

I don't know if I'd say it's 'ok', I just think that this particular exploit isn't as detrimental as people would like to think it is. As I pointed out, you can't tell if you're playing with someone who has used the exploit, and the gear itself isn't 'earned' - it's a randomized reward system. The exploit won't give you a better chance of getting that one Spectre pack that has a Black Widow or Wraith.