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[Barfwak]

My hope is that they don't ban anyone, actually.  It's counter-productive and makes for bad press, and you always end up banning someone innocent with mass bans like this.

Rather, take the Valve approach and do what they did when people were running the third-party idler for hats and weapons in TF2.  Reset all of their kits and weapons, and reward everyone that didn't use the exploit with something neat so they feel bad.  Not only does that leave their accounts open to continue to buy things from you, but it earns you good PR with the customers you want a good relationship with.

[TSCIGAR]

Well, I tracked this thread down again because, as it turns out, I can be immature too sometimes, and I couldn't resist gloating. And hey, there's now Kenshin's posts too, which makes this so much more satisfying.

Guess who announced free multiplayer DLC for Tuesday, including new characters, new weapons, and new maps? That's right, Bioware did.

Guess who predicted it? Honestly, a lot of people. It makes sense. But in this thread, that's right, me.

Guess who thought it was highly unlikely/said it would never happen? That's right, RagingNug and KenshinHimura. Although, to his credit, RagingNug was able to avoid calling me a childish simpleton when expressing his counterpoint.

In a more direct and slightly less condescending response to Kenshin, freemium content benefits everyone. You don't think Microsoft doesn't get a cut of Microsoft points, do you? That's why full games on Xbox Live cost real money instead of points. Developers aren't willing to give them the cut for the game, because that means they're making less money compared to selling it at retail. Xbox is willing to do that, because everyone does DLC these days instead of hard copy expansion packs, and they'll make it up there. A point-based microtransaction is a godsend for them, because every time somebody spends their $2 for a Spectre pack, Microsoft gets a little bit for doing literally nothing.

Kenshin, I'm going to assume you don't work with customers directly. I run a small cigar shop, and I'll regularly give people free stuff; if I have a cigar I think a customer will really enjoy, I'll give him the first one on the house. The idea is, if they like it, they'll buy more. While not an exact corollary, the underlying principle is the same- making them aware there's something new to spend their money on and keeping them happy enough to want to spend it.

I'm sure we're not going to just GET these characters and weapons. You have to still unlock them in packs. How much do you think people would realistically be willing to pay for this DLC? I probably wouldn't buy it for more than $5, if I immediately got everything at basic unlock. That's essentially 2 spectre packs and 1 veteran pack in points, and I'm sure these characters and weapons will be rare. Sure, a lot of people aren't going to spend anything at all. But a lot of people are going to drop $20, $50, even $100 just to get those things, and why not? They still need to level up their ultra rares (and probably rares), this is just more incentive to spend money on it for people with disposable income.

All niggling about business practices aside, are you guys now willing to at least admit that I have a point in saying that credit glitchers undermine the profitability of this business model, and by exploiting the bug, decrease the likelihood that we'll see MORE free DLC in the future? They've done it once- the very first MP DLC. I have an unassailable precedent. The only reason they'd stop doing it is if the system doesn't get them the return they want, and credit glitchers make that far more likely.

So I reiterate- credit glitching could very well hurt me, and any player that doesn't take advantage of it; on top of that, even if there are no direct repercussions like bans or resets, it'll hurt the glitchers too, who will have to spend money on the DLC like everyone else or experience a rapidly shrinking group of players they can actually play with.

TL;DR: Neener neener, I was right and you were wrong. Now stop glitching before they change their minds.

(Edit: added "any" before "player" in the first sentence of the last full paragraph- it's what I get for not proofing)

Modifié par TSCIGAR, 06 avril 2012 - 08:42 .

[TSCIGAR]

Well, credit glitching and the commendation pack issue are two entirely different animals, and I would dial the anger at the latter back a bit. I'm sure some people exploited the commendation pack problem, but the truth is it's something that happened during normal play. You didn't have to try at all to get a second commendation pack, and you could still get it. There are a lot of honest people who got a second pack and opened it thinking they got it for promoting. While I'm sure your ire is directed at the people who did purposefully exploit it, your language isn't very clear about that and I wanted to make sure you knew that there are innocent people who got extra packs too. The blame for that one solidly rests on Bioware, and they know it. Don't worry, they'll be handed out soon.

OTOH, I might be a bit blasé about it. I got my (one) commendation pack before they caught the problem, so I'm not missing out on anything in the short term over it. Hang in there!

[Ukir]

Not many people in this thread seem to understand what this credit glitch is. First off, it could be easily done unintentionally, I'm willing to bet that it was found unintentionally as well. Second, the ones who do the glitch would be able to justify themselves; as a member on the first page said that it would be understandable to want to glitch credits because of the randomized loot you gain from it. If people have better guns, mods, or can color their characters a bit more than you, why should it matter? It might not be entirely fair, but it's nothing to get as worked up as everyone is. None of these people are zooming up on the leaderboards and cheating their N7 ranks, they're just repeating a glitch that BioWare could fix. No one is hacking, glitching or cheating in doing this. I believe a majority of you are blowing this out of proportion.

[TSCIGAR]

I have read up on the glitch, and while I can see it happening accidentally, I don't really see it as happening during "normal play." Furthermore, people who are doing this intentionally are in fact "glitching" the game. It's a glitch that they are constantly reproducing for their benefit. I don't know how you can say they're NOT glitching.

Of course, your argument does NOTHING to address how abusing the system (especially if it becomes widespread) makes it considerably more likely that there will be no more free MP DLC. You're attacking a corporation's wallet- you don't think that won't have negative consequences for us, the consumers?

[Sean]

Phatose wrote...

Ragingnug, the exact same argument could be used to justify aimbot and dodgebots - after all, it doesn't alter my experience if my opponent is using an aimbot, versus simply having good aim.

Are you also OK with aimbot? Dodgebots?

What level of cheating are you OK with?

That is different and you know it. This is a bug. No one should be banned for using it (or reset) since Bioware screwed up with it existing and with the crappy unlock system. Wanting to receive a weapon and playing 2 silver games to get 1 spectre pack only to get a character you already have everything for is annoying. That would make anyone not feel like playing. Having the weapons that you want make it so you can enjoy the game for the game itself.

The glitch itself doesn't impact anyone. The matches still play out the same but if you get mad over it then at least try to wedge that stick out of your ass. (just to anyone reading this)

Modifié par RX_Sean_XI, 06 avril 2012 - 11:53 .

[mrcanada]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Credit glitching / Pack glitching should be a crime punishable with a lifetime ban.
Period.
It ruins the game. And it only hurts the honest players. I still have friends who haven't gotten their commendation packs from last weekend's event. And some of them worked extra hard to get their characters lvl'd up to promote them... for nothing.

Pisses me right the hell off.

No it shouldn't because it actuality, they aren't doing anything wrong or circumventing the system.  

[mrcanada]

RX_Sean_XI wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Ragingnug, the exact same argument could be used to justify aimbot and dodgebots - after all, it doesn't alter my experience if my opponent is using an aimbot, versus simply having good aim.

Are you also OK with aimbot? Dodgebots?

What level of cheating are you OK with?

That is different and you know it. This is a bug. No one should be banned for using it (or reset) since Bioware screwed up with it existing and with the crappy unlock system. Wanting to receive a weapon and playing 2 silver games to get 1 spectre pack only to get a character you already have everything for is annoying. That would make anyone not feel like playing. Having the weapons that you want make it so you can enjoy the game for the game itself.

The glitch itself doesn't impact anyone. The matches still play out the same but if you get mad over it then at least try to wedge that stick out of your ass. (just to anyone reading this)

Huge difference between the two and one purposefully circumvents the game and changes key files, while the other technically does nothing wrong.  You die, you leave a game and voila. 

[XXIceColdXX]

If you enjoy multiplayer, glitching for credits to me will only take away your own replayability of it. Im sure ill still be playing and enjoying MP long after the glitchers burn out and move on to other games coz they cant unlock anything anymore.

I find getting 2 or 3 friends playing MP alot of fun. Its not all about the money.

Am very suprised Bioware hasnt patched this yet. Hopefully soon.

Modifié par XXIceColdXX, 12 avril 2012 - 10:17 .

[Purple People Eater]

The thing is, the way this multiplayer is set up, I almost don't blame people for cheating. Ive put God knows how many hours into this multiplayer, and I still haven't unlocked the Drell Vanguard, much less any of the new characters. The system seemed good enough to me at first, but now I find the whole randomness irritating.

They need to make the packs a lot cheaper, or give us some damn double credits weekends. Otherwise I can see myself giving in to some credit exploit really soon. Im not saying its right to cheat, and I swear on a stack of Bibles that ive yet to do it myself. But im headed that way soon if I keep getting the same old crap out of Spectre packs.

[Demonhoopa]

jamesb71486 wrote...

I see and hear a lot of people (mostly on gamefaqs) talking and bragging about getting millions of credits in a matter of a few hours with this dang glitch. I don't care what people do in their single player game but being the 'multiplayer' aspect I have to wonder has Bioware said anything about this?

I understand they took a stance on cheating but that seems more focused on the "PC version" of the game as opposed to the console version.

Anyway my question is will there be reprecautions to doing this? Seems to take the fun out of actually playing the game once you manage to cheat your way to several million credits and potentially every Mk X weapon/mod/whatever in the game..

I don't get it. How do you cheat? How do you farm millions of credits? I mean, you finish wave 11, you get "paid" whatever you get. I don't see how you can change or exploit it? What am I missing? 

[Demonhoopa]

wolfstanus wrote...

What can I say the moden gamer is not very bright. The modern gamer wants things to be given to them with little to no effort. The modern gamer is a ****ing retard

Some would argue that ALL gamers are retards............or at least dorks.

[Skyblade012]

Raging Nug wrote...

Are they though? If they were tracking credits on their end why haven't people hit from the re-lock bug been reimbursed?

This.

If they're going to steal credits from players, they can expect players to steal them back.  Especially since some of them paid actual money for their credits.

Now, please detail this exploit/glitch so that I can start exploiting it.

[Demonhoopa]

Distilled Poison wrote...

@Phatose
"Ragingnug, the exact same argument could be used to justify aimbot and dodgebots - after all, it doesn't alter my experience if my opponent is using an aimbot, versus simply having good aim.

Are you also OK with aimbot? Dodgebots?

What level of cheating are you OK with?"

You need to put that slippery slope baloney away. Getting fast credits to buy guns in the game is NOT the same as flat out altering code to automate performance. Being accepting of one is not the same as the other.

 

Agree, that is not the same thing.

Okay, just looked it up on Youtube. Yeah that's lame sauce, I would never do that but I can't call that actually "cheating". That is Bioware's multiplayer game being broken. There's no alteration, or access to anything everybody else doesn't have. Banning someone because your product is f***ed up is weak and shows a lack of accountability.

Don't get me wrong, I DO think using the cheat is BUSH and would NEVER do it. But the SOLUTION is for Bioware to FIX THEIR PRODUCT.   Banning someone for using a flaw in the game design is basically putting whipped cream on sh*t.

Fix your game and be accountable Bioware.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 12 avril 2012 - 11:00 .

[TANK 2old2play]

Bioware didn't fix the credit farming glitch with the patch so i'm taking that as they don't care, can't be bothered to fix it so it should be exploited to it's fullest potential

[Demonhoopa]

Distilled Poison wrote...

So, xtorma, by your logic of "cheating is cheating" using any cheats a in single player makes you a lesser person? For that matter, if you're judging a person's character by how they enjoy a game without hurting anyone else, you take games WAAAAAAAY too seriously.

I can't believe it's 2012 and people are still using slippery slope fallacies and demanding credibility.

Game forums are the new headquarters of the Straw Man argument.

[samb]

 I see a lot of attention about credit clutching but very little on the straight hacking that can be done on the PC. I read that most of the game files are on the client side, allowing them to alter certein values to dramatically change the game like earning a million credits on bronze or never needing to reload etc.  THAT I feel is clearly cheating, I'm confused as to why something that much worse isn't being talked about?  Why does this glitch get all the attention?

[OCD Skifer]

hey, can you kids cry some more? keep in mind, the randomization system is unbalenced, you can go to n7 500 and get no N7 weapons. you should be assured atleast one every 30 spec packs or so. i say good job to the kids that say screw biwares stupid system. all the power to you. I love biowares games, but the randomization for their first multiplayer is awefull...

[samb]

Skyblade012 wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

Are they though? If they were tracking credits on their end why haven't people hit from the re-lock bug been reimbursed?

This.

If they're going to steal credits from players, they can expect players to steal them back.  Especially since some of them paid actual money for their credits.

Now, please detail this exploit/glitch so that I can start exploiting it.

It would be in very poor taste if they fixed this glitch before they work out the current problems with their purchasing system as well as reimburse those hit with the reset bug. 
Very very poor taste. It would show that they would spend resources fixing this glitch, rather than refunding their legitimate customers. 

[Huttj509]

Demonhoopa wrote...

jamesb71486 wrote...

I see and hear a lot of people (mostly on gamefaqs) talking and bragging about getting millions of credits in a matter of a few hours with this dang glitch. I don't care what people do in their single player game but being the 'multiplayer' aspect I have to wonder has Bioware said anything about this?

I understand they took a stance on cheating but that seems more focused on the "PC version" of the game as opposed to the console version.

Anyway my question is will there be reprecautions to doing this? Seems to take the fun out of actually playing the game once you manage to cheat your way to several million credits and potentially every Mk X weapon/mod/whatever in the game..

I don't get it. How do you cheat? How do you farm millions of credits? I mean, you finish wave 11, you get "paid" whatever you get. I don't see how you can change or exploit it? What am I missing? 

Yopu exploit a bug in the game to get "queued up" to wave 10 in bronze.

You then do wave 10 over and over in gold, no other waves, no time getting to wave 10, just wave 10 over and over, 45k credits each time.