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[RenascentAnt1]

Taritu wrote...

Dakota Strider wrote...

What I find really hard to believe, is that there were no voices inside Bioware that knew what was going on, and did not speak out, about the travesty about to be perpetrated on the company's fans. Nobody said "This is wrong, it will alienate our base"? Not a single "The hell with the deadline, we cannot put out this product after what we promised, after what our fans are expecting" ? The whole company followed along?

I've been on the inside when stuff goes down like this (not in gaming, mind you).  There were probably a couple.  They got shut down hard, after damaging their careers.

I remember once, giving two lists during a business reorg: one was "things that must be done".  The other "things that must not be done."  I am not joking, when I said that this company (a large multinational) flipped the lists.  I was beyond livid, but there was nothing to be done.  (Well, I quit sometime later, partly as a result of that mess.)

Glad you got out. I had similar experiences in the past, and yes it's pretty intimidating to be the few dissenting voices.

But regardless of inside opposition in Bioware, I find it incredible to believe that - okay, I assume most people working on ME3 at Bioware would be fans or at least enjoyed the series, so how could they just go through with publicising and finishing the game knowing what they knew?

[ThatDancingTurian]

Bleachrude wrote...

Actually I don't have a problem with those statements..To me, it sounds like they had a great plan but actually executing it was the problem...

Given the time of the issue, they were still in development time (if you read the article, the Rannoch and the Tuchanka missions seems the same).

The probably had this big idea where each race would be structured like Tuchanka/Rannoch. You have one big mission but a couple of side missions which affect the main mission and decisions from past ME games would influence whatever big decision you were to do... .

Then reality came to the door namely that not only is the game nearing its budget BUT also nearing time....they already had 6 months extension and needed to wrap it up so things got compressed.

EA gets a lot of grief but EA is a publicly held company and HAS to show its stockholders revenue for cost otherwise they will ALL be looking for jobs so hoestly, I'm not angry or disappointed,

Just realistic about it...

In what reality does 'compressing' something equate to doing the exact opposite of what you promised and planned? Mr. Hudson made these statements and promises to the fans and willingly chose to do the exact opposite thing with the ending. The relays being destroyed, the lack of a true victory, the Normandy flying off into nowhere, none of these were things that had to be written. There could have been just as rushed an ending that did what he promised here; left the universe open for exploration, a world worth saving.

“… part of what you’re trying to do is save the universe so you can live in it. That’s part of the promise, I think, for any great IP. It has to be a world worth saving… I think Mass Effect has that quality to it. If you get rid of the Reapers and win that, wouldn’t it be amazing to just live on the Citadel or just take a ship to Omega? That makes sense.”

If the team made statements about things that they couldn't live up to, that would be one thing. But they actively pursued a course contrary to this statement. To me, that makes them dishonest, whether or not it was intentional deceit at the time.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 03 avril 2012 - 01:24 .

[kogunenjou]

Could I just point out that at that time, Bioware was still referring to the ORIGINAL ending of ME3? :\\

[jds1bio]

kogunenjou wrote...

Could I just point out that at that time, Bioware was still referring to the ORIGINAL ending of ME3? :

Then what were they referring to in January, when they said there wouldn't be an ABC ending, but lots of outcomes for Shepard?

[Fruit of the Doom]

“Don’t expect to win the loyalty of the galaxy by simply completing a series of fetch quests,”

...

No comment.

Modifié par Fruit of the Doom, 03 avril 2012 - 01:30 .

[Fruit of the Doom]

jds1bio wrote...

kogunenjou wrote...

Could I just point out that at that time, Bioware was still referring to the ORIGINAL ending of ME3? :

Then what were they referring to in January, when they said there wouldn't be an ABC ending, but lots of outcomes for Shepard?

It wasn't ABC, it was ABC.

Modifié par Fruit of the Doom, 03 avril 2012 - 01:40 .

[Aurica]

I don't know what to say... I can't feel angry anymore because I no longer feel anything for ME3.. except disappointment.

[Aurica]

RenascentAnt1 wrote...

But regardless of inside opposition in Bioware, I find it incredible to believe that - okay, I assume most people working on ME3 at Bioware would be fans or at least enjoyed the series, so how could they just go through with publicising and finishing the game knowing what they knew?

Why not?  They are first and foremost, employees of EA BW not just fans.   I would say most are passionate about the games they create but they are just cogs & gears in a giant machine of a corporation.  There are rules that you abide to, procedures that you have to follow.  

I work in a MNC that have some really strict policy about certain stuff... some of which I think is extremely stupid and annoy the crap out of our customers.  But I still have to abide by it even though I don't agree with it.

[Mannie89]

zarnk567 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

“In Mass Effect 3, you know you need to take back Earth, but the path to victory is less clear at the outset. You won’t just find some long-lost Reaper “off” button; says Hudson”


oh this hurts me. What date is that magazine by the way. I wanna see if I still have it.

lol!

(actavates Harbinger voice) THIS HURTS ME

THIS QUOTE IF FRAGILE

[Merwanor]

The lies started early for this game.

[Sir Adamus]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

jds1bio wrote...

kogunenjou wrote...

Could I just point out that at that time, Bioware was still referring to the ORIGINAL ending of ME3? :

Then what were they referring to in January, when they said there wouldn't be an ABC ending, but lots of outcomes for Shepard?

It wasn't ABC, it was ABC.

Wasn't even ABC. It was AiAiiAiii.

Modifié par Sir Adamus, 03 avril 2012 - 01:53 .

[LastFadingSmile]

Omanisat wrote...
 
From a section entitled THE PLAN:
 
“In Mass Effect 3, you know you need to take back Earth, but the path to victory is less clear at the outset. You won’t just find some long-lost Reaper “off” button; says Hudson”

 

Edit: Crop fail 

Modifié par Kolotosa, 03 avril 2012 - 02:04 .

[Bigdoser]

Eh I think bioware should review their marketing schemes when they are making a game.

[Teh Tux]

Casey Hudson = New Peter Moulinex? Maybe even the same person... After all, since the trainwreck of broken promises he made in Fable 3 he's been very quiet...

[MrLee95]

I still have this issue.
I know after all this crap they have said about ME3 before release, I will NEVER trust BioWare again since all they do is lie.

So sad, I really liked BioWare and thought they actually cared.

[ZeroSum7]

Things just get worse and worse... I'm almost at the point where I'm not surprised by this anymore.... That's bad

[Gill Kaiser]

This is just downright disgusting.

[Schief724]

Somebody needs to compile a list of every single lie BioWare has said about this game, along with references.

[Bocks]

Looks like Casey Hudson is the new Todd Howard and Mass Effect 3 is the new Oblivion.

[RenascentAnt1]

Bocks wrote...

Looks like Casey Hudson is the new Todd Howard and Mass Effect 3 is the new Oblivion.

Please. Oblivion's ending was at least satisfactory. At least you can mod as well.

[Theb82]

I wonder how much EA know of all this, I'm sure they wouldnt be happy.

[Dr. Megaverse]

RenascentAnt1 wrote...

Taritu wrote...

Dakota Strider wrote...
What I find really hard to believe, is that there were no voices inside Bioware that knew what was going on, and did not speak out, about the travesty about to be perpetrated on the company's fans. Nobody said "This is wrong, it will alienate our base"? Not a single "The hell with the deadline, we cannot put out this product after what we promised, after what our fans are expecting" ? The whole company followed along?

I've been on the inside when stuff goes down like this (not in gaming, mind you).  There were probably a couple.  They got shut down hard, after damaging their careers.
I remember once, giving two lists during a business reorg: one was "things that must be done".  The other "things that must not be done."  I am not joking, when I said that this company (a large multinational) flipped the lists.  I was beyond livid, but there was nothing to be done.  (Well, I quit sometime later, partly as a result of that mess.)

Glad you got out. I had similar experiences in the past, and yes it's pretty intimidating to be the few dissenting voices. 
But regardless of inside opposition in Bioware, I find it incredible to believe that - okay, I assume most people working on ME3 at Bioware would be fans or at least enjoyed the series, so how could they just go through with publicising and finishing the game knowing what they knew?

 
Because the people at Bioware are not all unattached, independantly wealthy, obligation free people who can afford to take a moral stance.  There's many times I'd love to allow my ethics to take precedence over my necessities, but I have more than myself to support, so I don't. These people are no different.  I reserve my ire for EA's exeucutrons. Soulless, greedy businessmen with no respect or understanding of the gaming community make poor gaming executives...

Modifié par Dr. Megaverse, 03 avril 2012 - 03:30 .

[Fruit of the Doom]

Theb82 wrote...

I wonder how much EA know of all this, I'm sure they wouldnt be happy.

It was probably all their idea.

They want to liquidate Bioware's IPs, and they are doing a damn good job of it.

[NM_Che56]

DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY!

[RaphDS]

Bright side: At least they figured out how to make multiplayer fun. "Relevant", though, is a matter of debate.