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[Velocithon]

Persephone wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

This is what pro-enders utterly fail to realize and refuse to acknowledge.

Pro-Enders?

What is this, a war?

Gotta call them something. <_<

[Persephone]

jds1bio wrote...

Persephone wrote...

cutegigi wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

This is why we shouldn't listen to Marketing hype. Remember "17 different endings"?

keep saying the game going to be great/fun/exciting/best game ever  is hype.

specifically prromising X ending then only delicers Y ending which Y is much less then X is straight out con job.

The Witcher 2 promised 16 endings too. It has 3, at best. Where is the CDPR hate for that ouright LIE?

Oh right, CDPR can do no wrong....

This is OT, but the Witcher's "endings" (end states) were based on direct decisions you made, not how much you scoured the landscape for resources.  They weren't based on whether you skipped sidequests, and have ramifications to the future of the Witcher world.  My only question I had at the end of TW2 was "Ok, what's going to happen next?", not "What just happened here?" or "Why didn't I get to choose what to say and do during the final minutes of the game?"

And most importantly, after discovering that the game bifurcates itself so incrediby well (X360 people, you are in for a treat), I don't feel like I've been lied to.  Whereas with ME3...

Good for you. I felt lied to the moment they tossed my romance with Shani aside and butchered Triss' character. And the ending left me at..."Wow, obvious sequel hook is obvious."

ME3 is about winning a war. Resources matter there. As will missed opportunities (Side Quests) I liked that a lot, actually.

[garf]

Persephone wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

This is what pro-enders utterly fail to realize and refuse to acknowledge.

Pro-Enders?

What is this, a war?

Only if you persist in making it one.

[Persephone]

Velocithon wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

This is what pro-enders utterly fail to realize and refuse to acknowledge.

Pro-Enders?

What is this, a war?

Gotta call them something. <_<

How about their names? How about people? How about not being utterly condescending?

[Persephone]

garf wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

This is what pro-enders utterly fail to realize and refuse to acknowledge.

Pro-Enders?

What is this, a war?

Only if you persist in making it one.

I am not the one dividing a fandom into camps.

[Velocithon]

Persephone wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

This is what pro-enders utterly fail to realize and refuse to acknowledge.

Pro-Enders?

What is this, a war?

Gotta call them something. <_<

How about their names? How about people? How about not being utterly condescending?

PFT. That's not condescending at all, lol. It's referring to a bunch of people who like the ending. Thus, "pro-enders".

I call myself an anti-ender because i hate the ending.

Whatever this is a stupid thing to get hung up on. I'm not gonna bother with it.

[Dakota Strider]

(ignore, double post)

Modifié par Dakota Strider, 03 avril 2012 - 05:39 .

[CasbynessPC]

They should have switched around Marketing with the writing team, then we'd have been depressed during development, filled with low expectations and suddenly when the game arrived it would have been completely amazing. The Marketing team seemed to know exactly how to make the game.

[Dakota Strider]

Persephone wrote...

garf wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

This is what pro-enders utterly fail to realize and refuse to acknowledge.

Pro-Enders?

What is this, a war?

Only if you persist in making it one.

I am not the one dividing a fandom into camps.

 
Pro-enders is one of the least offensive labels that could be used to describe those that are claiming to be happy with the current state of affairs with ME3, Bioware and EA.  

It is far more polite than the many terms that are used by the "pro-enders" to describe those of us that are not satisfied with what has happened in this chapter of Bioware and the ME franchise.

[Nyila]

Dakota Strider wrote...

Pro-ender is one of the least offensive labels that could be given to those that are backing Bioware and EA with how ME3 turned out.  And it is much more polite than many of the terms they use to describe those of us that are not satisfied with the current state of affairs.

Agreed!

[jds1bio]

Persephone wrote...

Good for you. I felt lied to the moment they tossed my romance with Shani aside and butchered Triss' character. And the ending left me at..."Wow, obvious sequel hook is obvious."

ME3 is about winning a war. Resources matter there. As will missed opportunities (Side Quests) I liked that a lot, actually.

Sorry about Shani, I'll give you that one.  As for obvious sequel hook, so what?  The game still put a dot on the ending.

I wish ME3 was about winning a war, or about trying to win a war.  I though it was about that too, but the ending made it about something else entirely.

I played with the various EMS levels to the endgame, and the lower the EMS levels, the more confusing the ending convo with the Catalyst was to me.  Oh well.

[Mox Ruuga]

They knew what we wanted, and played that up.

They knew what we didn't want, and tried to allay our fears.

In the end, they ****ed us over by doing exactly the opposite of what they had promised. Was this nihilistic impulse to troll the fanbase or...?

[marshkoala]

This: REWARD FOR LOYAL FANS?
"Absolutely," he says. "Definitely. The challenge is to make the game better than ever before, to make it a great entry point for new players, and to make it the ending fans deserve. It's about making sure it starts the way a great story should start versus just being a continuation. And thats tough because there is no canon except for what the player has chosen. In the end, its their game".

[Szuli]

marshkoala wrote...

This: REWARD FOR LOYAL FANS?
"Absolutely," he says. "Definitely. The challenge is to make the game better than ever before, to make it a great entry point for new players, and to make it the ending fans deserve. It's about making sure it starts the way a great story should start versus just being a continuation. And thats tough because there is no canon except for what the player has chosen. In the end, its their game".

I guess in the end they forgot that it was supposed to be "our game", and it all became "their artistic integrity".

Modifié par Szuli, 03 avril 2012 - 05:54 .

[NightHawkIL]

Szuli wrote...

marshkoala wrote...

This: REWARD FOR LOYAL FANS?
"Absolutely," he says. "Definitely. The challenge is to make the game better than ever before, to make it a great entry point for new players, and to make it the ending fans deserve. It's about making sure it starts the way a great story should start versus just being a continuation. And thats tough because there is no canon except for what the player has chosen. In the end, its their game".

I guess in the end they forgot that it was supposed to be "our game", and it all became "their artistic integrity".

No, they didn't forget. They just took the term artistic integrity and ran with it after all the major gaming publications used it in their cause to get ME3 players branded as entitled winers.

I don't buy it for a second that the people pulling the strings actually believe there is anything vaguely similar to artistic integrity in the obviously flawed work and broken promises. The term was simply a convienient strategy to defend their gross incompitence and lack of actual integrity. Just by using that term it subtly associates anyone who has a problem with anything regarding ME3 to someone who doesn't respect art as a whole. 

[Noblewolf]

DAMN YOU BIOWARE & EA WHY!?

[GoblinSapper]

'Problem, gamers?' 

[Bigdoser]

I can't wait for Friday.

[marshkoala]

See this is what keeps me here day after day.........

I COMPLETELY don't understand how Bioware can make ME1 & ME2 and hype ME3 and not wonder why the fanbase is mad.

I keep hoping to find that answer..........haven't yet.

[Szuli]

NightHawkIL wrote...

Szuli wrote...

marshkoala wrote...

This: REWARD FOR LOYAL FANS?
"Absolutely," he says. "Definitely. The challenge is to make the game better than ever before, to make it a great entry point for new players, and to make it the ending fans deserve. It's about making sure it starts the way a great story should start versus just being a continuation. And thats tough because there is no canon except for what the player has chosen. In the end, its their game".

I guess in the end they forgot that it was supposed to be "our game", and it all became "their artistic integrity".

No, they didn't forget. They just took the term artistic integrity and ran with it after all the major gaming publications used it in their cause to get ME3 players branded as entitled winers.

I don't buy it for a second that the people pulling the strings actually believe there is anything vaguely similar to artistic integrity in the obviously flawed work and broken promises. The term was simply a convienient strategy to defend their gross incompitence and lack of actual integrity. Just by using that term it subtly associates anyone who has a problem with anything regarding ME3 to someone who doesn't respect art as a whole. 

I agree, but I also think that they might have thought that their nihilistic, apocalyptic ending was edgy and artsy and that they were going to win lots of awards with it.

[Bigdoser]

Did they no look back at the marketing campaign when doing the endings? I wonder what happend....

[OriginalTibs]

Velocithon wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

This is what pro-enders utterly fail to realize and refuse to acknowledge.

Pro-Enders?

What is this, a war?

Gotta call them something. <_<

How about their names? How about people? How about not being utterly condescending?

PFT. That's not condescending at all, lol. It's referring to a bunch of people who like the ending. Thus, "pro-enders".

I call myself an anti-ender because i hate the ending.

Whatever this is a stupid thing to get hung up on. I'm not gonna bother with it.

Oh.... wait... was this all pre-written by Orson Scott Card?

[TemplePhoenix]

I hadn't heard that 'Reaper off-switch' one before. AHAHAHAHAHA!

It's like they gathered all these articles together in a big pile, pointed at them, and then said "Now let's do exactly the opposite of these, it'll be teh lolz."

[Velocithon]

@ Original Tibs. Funny you should mention that because every time I type 'ender' on my iPhone it auto capitalizes it

Also, cannot wait until Friday. Dreams will be fulfilled or crushed to oblivion.

[xztr]

Buuuu