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[D1ck1e]

They are not living their lives when your not around playing the game you know... What do you care if someone wants to gay it up with any of them? Does it ruin it for you knowing someone of the same sex is hitting it?

[Leozilla]

Agamo45 wrote...

Leozilla wrote...

Agamo45 wrote...

Tietj wrote...

I'm gay and I don't disagree with the op, but I'm not sure of this thread's purpose. Is Bioware thinking of adding love interests? Anyway, that aside, Agamo's posts in here are blatantly offensive. Can we get a mod to step in?

Awww, you're offended? Well, I suppose you can complain to the ACLU. Maybe they'll send me a letter asking me to pleeease be more considerate.

your a jackass, what the hell does it mean to you if people are gay or bi, aganist your misogynistic religion?

Can't you say anything besides the mindless drivel that you were taught in the public school system? My apologies, I understand that asking you to actually think is beyond your mental capabilities.

ah yes because public schools indoctrinate children, and fyi I was homeschooled, I'm just not a bigot

[VerdantSF]

BuckHammer wrote...

Keldaurz wrote...

 So we all get it, the OP doesn't want an option to romance Garrus because he might be tempted by it thus... his "straightness" compromised.

I read it more of that Garrus as a character is heterosexual. Altering his character to make him bisexual would violate the sexual identity of his character.

I don't care either way about Garrus, but really, his sexual identity was already violated.  He said upfront that he wasn't into humans in that way in ME1, but then that got changed in ME2.

Modifié par VerdantSF, 03 avril 2012 - 03:59 .

[nopantsisabela]

Andsmth85 wrote...

Don't see where the problem is here really , the Op doesnt want to see existing characters turned gay ( neither do i , Garrus is a bro and he should stay that way ) and its his right just like its your right to ask for the opposite , dont be so damned defensive all the time .

Not everyone here "being defensive" is gay. Some of us are just here because we're tired of seeing homosexuality being treated like a contagious disease that needs to be quarantined.

[Andsmth85]

VerdantSF wrote...

BuckHammer wrote...

Keldaurz wrote...

 So we all get it, the OP doesn't want an option to romance Garrus because he might be tempted by it thus... his "straightness" compromised.

I read it more of that Garrus as a character is heterosexual. Altering his character to make him bisexual would violate the sexual identity of his character.

I don't care either way about Garrus, but really, his sexual identity was already violated.  He said upfront that he wasn't into humans in that way in ME1, but then that got changed in ME2.

I wasnt into Asian girls a couple of years ago but now i am ( not because i was racist then but i just was not attracted to them but that has changed ) it happens , a lot more than someone just going from being into women to men ( that mostly means that they were never into women in the first place and were just lying to themselves about it or they were always bi ) .

So in short Garrus being attracted to human FEMALES is much more understandable than being Gay now .

[kingofkings276]

nopantsisabela wrote...

Andsmth85 wrote...

Don't see where the problem is here really , the Op doesnt want to see existing characters turned gay ( neither do i , Garrus is a bro and he should stay that way ) and its his right just like its your right to ask for the opposite , dont be so damned defensive all the time .

Not everyone here "being defensive" is gay. Some of us are just here because we're tired of seeing homosexuality being treated like a contagious disease that needs to be quarantined.

What in the hell does that have to do with this topic? 

[Indylavi]

gekko513 wrote...

If you don't like a romance, don't pursue it. It's not like in ME2 where the romances could happen by accident. (Jack, I'm looking at you). It's very petty to deny someone else a story they'll enjoy just because you're not interested in it.

I agree. I don't understand how a Single Player activity would affect anybody else other than the player. If your Shep is gay that's fine. If they aren't. That's fine as well. I think all romantic interest should be available to both players.

I also think the romance options should be clearly marked in the dialogue choices. I thought I was just being friendly with Jack only to have her show up in my room....Awkward

[PorcelynDoll]

I don't mid gay or bi characters. I felt bad turning down Traynor, she is so sweet. I do mind that straight FemShep got a raw deal. Thane's treatment was horrific and as much as I love Garrus he's my only option since Ashley is my VS.

[Yuqi]

frylock23 wrote...

S Atomeha wrote...

pomrink wrote...

Aren't there more homosex LI's then hetero LI's? there's nothing wrong with homosexual LI's but they're a bit overrepresented

no?
theres one homosexual LI for each sex, one bi-sexual, one mono-gendered
Males have 
Ashley
Liara
Miranda
Jack
Tali

Females have
Kaiden
Liara
Jacob
Thane
Garrus
Vega

Homosexuals-
Cortez, Traynor

Bi-sexuals-
Kaiden

Mono-gendered-
Liara.

Uh, I think you're mistaken about straight females. We really only get two and even Kaidan went bi, but at least he plays very well as straight - Kaidan and Garrus.

Liara - has female body so technically appeals more to bi or lesbian
Jacob - dumped you for ex-Cerberus scientist
Thane - barely acknowledges any romance at all and you get no achievement for it
Vega - not possible, unless you think simple flirting is romance

Everyone else is much better off.

So someone is Bi/Lesbian just because they prefer  the  Liara romance? 

[Syinn2988]

Andsmth85 wrote...

Don't see where the problem is here really , the Op doesnt want to see existing characters turned gay ( neither do i , Garrus is a bro and he should stay that way ) and its his right just like its your right to ask for the opposite , dont be so damned defensive all the time .

The difference between his way and the way it is now is that it is optional.

The op gets his way then its all fine and dandy no gay Garrus, but when everyone gets their way he says they shouldn't?

The way you state it in your post you come across with the impression that its canon for the character to be straight, when its all down to the player choice which is what ME is known for.

If a player decided they wanted a gay romance and you didnt, what right do you have to tell them otherwise when you get the choice to not chase this romance? It's not forced upon you.

[KingNewbs]

kingofkings276 wrote...

 Unless they are other characters.

The fact of the matter is, not everyone is gay. Not everyone on the ship should be gay. A homosexaul maleshep should NOT be able to romance Garrus.

edit: I'm not saying you can romance Garrus, I'm saying that it's stupid to think you should be able to.
2nd edit: I'm not saying that ME3 has a outrageous amount of homosexuals either. I'm saying that people who think more squadmates should become homosexual for them are wrong.

This is just close-minded. Just because my BroShep has a gay relationship with a character who is straight in YOUR game doesn't affect you in the slightest. In your game Shepard is straight. So what do you care about mine?

(mine's a lesbian)

(mmmmmm, Traynor)

[Andsmth85]

nopantsisabela wrote...

Andsmth85 wrote...

Don't see where the problem is here really , the Op doesnt want to see existing characters turned gay ( neither do i , Garrus is a bro and he should stay that way ) and its his right just like its your right to ask for the opposite , dont be so damned defensive all the time .

Not everyone here "being defensive" is gay. Some of us are just here because we're tired of seeing homosexuality being treated like a contagious disease that needs to be quarantined.

Interesting ...but where exactly have i claimed that you were being defensive because you were Gay?  Besides the OP never said anything that suggested to me he was Anti Gay he merely said that he does not want Garrus or any of his existing crew members who were not Gay in the previous games to turn and there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that .

[Keldaurz]

Andsmth85 wrote...

VerdantSF wrote...

BuckHammer wrote...

Keldaurz wrote...

 So we all get it, the OP doesn't want an option to romance Garrus because he might be tempted by it thus... his "straightness" compromised.

I read it more of that Garrus as a character is heterosexual. Altering his character to make him bisexual would violate the sexual identity of his character.

I don't care either way about Garrus, but really, his sexual identity was already violated.  He said upfront that he wasn't into humans in that way in ME1, but then that got changed in ME2.

I wasnt into Asian girls a couple of years ago but now i am ( not because i was racist then but i just was not attracted to them but that has changed ) it happens , a lot more than someone just going from being into women to men ( that mostly means that they were never into women in the first place and were just lying to themselves about it or they were always bi ) .

So in short Garrus being attracted to human FEMALES is much more understandable than being Gay now .

It was changed due to fans... those times were bioware actually didn't resort to "arti..." let's not go there.

And for me to be honest doesn't matter, i like him as my bro (and i prefer girls so...), but just to point out how flawed it is because he is only taking into account our current social knowledge (sry bad english is bad) about our sexuality. For example bisexuality was largely explored on the ancient greek. Even being straight, nowadays that means you are "indoctrinated" to think sex with the same sex is repulsive (for yourself), when it shouldn't, it should just be a choice and it shouldn't give you that "ewww".

So who can't think in the future our society evolved to fully accept bisexuality, while some persons choose (liberally) not to be bi. Makes more sense than sticking to most people are hetero or ****** if you think nowaday's sex trends keep evolving.

[KingNewbs]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

I play exclusively as male Shepard and I romance (and stay loyal to) Liara in the almost all of my play throughs. That being said, it seems the majority of Liara romancers are FemShep players.

I agree with OP. I really don't think established straight characters shouldn't be made bi or lesbian just because people want it or just for the hell of it. Does anyone honestly see the Ashley character as a lesbian? I don't.

Garrus is an established non-inter-species-relationist. Half of your attempts to romance him are met with "I hadn't thought about making it with a human before... let me get back to you." 

So, it's okay to turn a taurian into a human-sexual, but not a hetero into a ******-sexual?

I mean, hey. I'm straight as an arrow. But if Brad Pitt walked in and was like "Yo, I've been watching you for some time... let's be gay together" I would totally do it. Or Nathan Fillion.

Or Gerard Butler.

Listen. I'm straight. I swear.

AS AN ARROW.

[nopantsisabela]

kingofkings276 wrote...

nopantsisabela wrote...

Andsmth85 wrote...

Don't see where the problem is here really , the Op doesnt want to see existing characters turned gay ( neither do i , Garrus is a bro and he should stay that way ) and its his right just like its your right to ask for the opposite , dont be so damned defensive all the time .

Not everyone here "being defensive" is gay. Some of us are just here because we're tired of seeing homosexuality being treated like a contagious disease that needs to be quarantined.

What in the hell does that have to do with this topic? 

Well, let's see... I was responding to a post. In this thread. A post that said "it's your right to ask for the opposite (as in gay characters) don't be defensive." So, I was pointing out that the assumption that everyone posting here is gay and asking for gay characters is wrong. I am not gay. I am not asking for gay characters.

Edit: typo

Modifié par nopantsisabela, 03 avril 2012 - 04:22 .

[Andsmth85]

Syinn2988 wrote...

Andsmth85 wrote...

Don't see where the problem is here really , the Op doesnt want to see existing characters turned gay ( neither do i , Garrus is a bro and he should stay that way ) and its his right just like its your right to ask for the opposite , dont be so damned defensive all the time .

The difference between his way and the way it is now is that it is optional.

The op gets his way then its all fine and dandy no gay Garrus, but when everyone gets their way he says they shouldn't?

The way you state it in your post you come across with the impression that its canon for the character to be straight, when its all down to the player choice which is what ME is known for.

If a player decided they wanted a gay romance and you didnt, what right do you have to tell them otherwise when you get the choice to not chase this romance? It's not forced upon you.

If you re read my post you would realize that we are saying the same thing , i clearly stated that people who are into S/S romance have the right to ask for it but they are not the only ones with rights is ALL i am saying .

If i do not want to see a crew member turn gay i should be able to state so without being labelled a homophobe , simple as that really .

[VigilancePress]

I recently published a fun Valentine's Day supplement for superhero role-playing games. The author, a very capable and intelligent fellow, had the presence of mind to tackle this subject as it relates to creating romantic interests in table-top RPGs... and I see no reason why the same strategy shouldn't apply to computer-based RPGs.

Essentially, the approach is not the same as non-interactive fiction or (obviously) real life. In real life, someone's sexuality is pretty much what it is. It may be influenced by events in their past, or may simply be the natural proclivity of that person.

But fiction isn't real life. Interactive fiction even less so. When you're a player in a game, and you decide that a particular character strikes you as a great pairing for your character as a romantic interest, there's very little reason why the story can't adjust to match your expectations. Whether the story turns out happily or not, there's no good reason to turn aside a player's interest in a character just because the writer didn't anticipate their interest. This is why making Garrus a romance in ME2 and 3 was a good decision, in my humble opinion. It responded to the audience's interest in the character and opened up options for people who wanted to go down that road (so to speak).

Of course, best of all, there is no real reason (unless you're a trophy completionist) to pursue romantic relationships in the Mass Effect series if they don't appeal to you. You don't have to go there, simple as that. Kind of like, if you don't like a tv show... you can always change the channel.

[Amialis666]

Agamo45 wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

Agamo45 wrote...

There never should have been any to begin with. You'd think that genetic therapy would eliminate such disorders in the future.

And here I thought there were no more Neanderthals today.


Are you even aware that homosexuality happens in nature... you may have missed the memo, but Humans are animals, mammals... and other mammals also display homosexuality... and it is not even limited to mammals... birds as well... and so on.

Yes, it appears to be a naturally occuring disorder. As I said, genetic therapy should eliminate it.

Actually last I checked, there was no basis for the idea that homosexuality is any way related to genetics. Unless you have some new discovery on the topic I am unaware of.

The cause is ultimately unknown.

My theory is that homesexuality is more psychological, and deals more with the way our subconscious learns to relate people and genders to sexuality.  Its not something that can be changed easily, if at all. 

I personally am asexual and don't understand why people put so much emphasis on sex to begin with (Understand from a biological standpoint, not much more), let alone why someone would care about the gender another person has sex with.

[Catroi]

Yuqi wrote...

frylock23 wrote...

S Atomeha wrote...

pomrink wrote...

Aren't there more homosex LI's then hetero LI's? there's nothing wrong with homosexual LI's but they're a bit overrepresented

no?
theres one homosexual LI for each sex, one bi-sexual, one mono-gendered
Males have 
Ashley
Liara
Miranda
Jack
Tali

Females have
Kaiden
Liara
Jacob
Thane
Garrus
Vega

Homosexuals-
Cortez, Traynor

Bi-sexuals-
Kaiden

Mono-gendered-
Liara.

Uh, I think you're mistaken about straight females. We really only get two and even Kaidan went bi, but at least he plays very well as straight - Kaidan and Garrus.

Liara - has female body so technically appeals more to bi or lesbian
Jacob - dumped you for ex-Cerberus scientist
Thane - barely acknowledges any romance at all and you get no achievement for it
Vega - not possible, unless you think simple flirting is romance

Everyone else is much better off.

So someone is Bi/Lesbian just because they prefer  the  Liara romance? 

- No having a romance in a game doesn't make you gay/straight/bi/whateveryouwant in real life duh
- Liara is a FEMALE (go read the ****ing 'dex) so a female Shepard would be either gay or bi to be sexually appealed

[KingNewbs]

Andsmth85 wrote...

If i do not want to see a crew member turn gay i should be able to state so without being labelled a homophobe , simple as that really .

No... if you do not want to see a crew member turn gay then don't romance that crew member. Just because the possibility is there doesn't mean it has to exist for you. Hell, in many people's games the gay romance is not possible because that crew member is dead. So, are you against crew members being dead in other people's games as well? Does that affect your game any more than Kaiden being gay? (is that even an option I have no idea).

Listen, it's not that anyone is labeling you a homophobe. You're just saying homophobic things (apparently without knowing it) and getting confused when people respond to them as if you realize what you are saying.

Cheers.

Modifié par KingNewbs, 03 avril 2012 - 04:29 .

[Sinarion13]

Legendaryred wrote...

And here i thought we were in the 21st century.

And this is the problem. Future does not mean everyone going bissexual because it's just so "21st century".

What the OP is saying, and I agree, is that ****** and hetero should be integrated as part of the personalityh of the characters.

Applying a bissexual slate to everyone just for the sake of romance with both genders of player character is not something good in character driven games, imo.

[Sinarion13]

Sinarion13 wrote...

Legendaryred wrote...

And here i thought we were in the 21st century.

And this is the problem. Future does not mean everyone going bissexual because it's just so "21st century".

What the OP is saying, and I agree, is that ****** and hetero should be integrated as part of the personality of the characters.

Applying a bissexual slate to everyone (DA2 anyone?) just for the sake of romance with both genders of player character is not something good in character driven games, imo.

[KingNewbs]

frylock23 wrote...

Vega - not possible, unless you think simple flirting is romance

I don't know about you, but we had one hell of a sparring session.

But yeah... there was no closing the deal with that guy. Listen, Vega. I put up with you calilng me "Lola" because I thought we had a connection! Well, we're done here, buddy. You go do some chinups or something, you big brown beefcake.

Traynor! You seem like you could use a shower. Meet me in my bunk.

[Indylavi]

Andsmth85 wrote...
If you re read my post you would realize that we are saying the same thing , i clearly stated that people who are into S/S romance have the right to ask for it but they are not the only ones with rights is ALL i am saying .

If i do not want to see a crew member turn gay i should be able to state so without being labelled a homophobe , simple as that really .

You have a right to say what you want IMHO. What people don't understand is how you seem to be against it being optional. If you don't want your crew member to turn gay. That's fine. In your game they aren't gay. That does not nor should effect anybody elses game but yours. If in their game, that crew member IS gay. Then again, it does not nor should effect anybody elses game but theirs.

You seem to want to take away the other persons choice by judging their crew by your standards. That's the problem. In my game my Shepard is black. That doesn't impact somebody who's Shepard is white does it? If not, then somebody being gay in their game doesn't impact anybody elses game either