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[Syinn2988]

Andsmth85 wrote...

Syinn2988 wrote...

Andsmth85 wrote...

Don't see where the problem is here really , the Op doesnt want to see existing characters turned gay ( neither do i , Garrus is a bro and he should stay that way ) and its his right just like its your right to ask for the opposite , dont be so damned defensive all the time .

The difference between his way and the way it is now is that it is optional.

The op gets his way then its all fine and dandy no gay Garrus, but when everyone gets their way he says they shouldn't?

The way you state it in your post you come across with the impression that its canon for the character to be straight, when its all down to the player choice which is what ME is known for.

If a player decided they wanted a gay romance and you didnt, what right do you have to tell them otherwise when you get the choice to not chase this romance? It's not forced upon you.

If you re read my post you would realize that we are saying the same thing , i clearly stated that people who are into S/S romance have the right to ask for it but they are not the only ones with rights is ALL i am saying .

If i do not want to see a crew member turn gay i should be able to state so without being labelled a homophobe , simple as that really .

We may have similar posts but the matter of the fact is you'd rather not see him be gay like you've just said. These characters haven't been turned gay. The option is simply there, why you feel the need to express concerns about it baffles me.

Everyone has their own unqiue play through and choice as you well know. Where has it stated that Garrus is now offically gay and that it is canon that male shep and him are in a relationship?

The people saying that they have rights aren't saying that all characters should be gay are they? They simply state it should be an option.

[Arik7]

 There should be more of this:

[KingNewbs]

Sinarion13 wrote...

Applying a bissexual slate to everyone just for the sake of romance with both genders of player character is not something good in character driven games, imo.

Even if you never see it?

Echoing what I said above... does the possibility of Ashley being dead make your romance with her necrophelia?

[humes spork]

KingNewbs wrote...

Garrus is an established non-inter-species-relationist. Half of your attempts to romance him are met with "I hadn't thought about making it with a human before... let me get back to you." 

So, it's okay to turn a taurian into a human-sexual, but not a hetero into a ******-sexual?

To be fair, Garrus probably isn't the best potential homosexual LI in the Mass Effect universe. Not with that biometallic, mandibled, cuisinart turians call a mouth. That's right up there with vorcha on the list of places to not stick sensitive fleshy bits.

[shoshbear]

Arik7 wrote...

 There should be more of this:

Agreed!

[greggm2000]

Amialis666 wrote...

Agamo45 wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

Agamo45 wrote...

There never should have been any to begin with. You'd think that genetic therapy would eliminate such disorders in the future.

And here I thought there were no more Neanderthals today.


Are you even aware that homosexuality happens in nature... you may have missed the memo, but Humans are animals, mammals... and other mammals also display homosexuality... and it is not even limited to mammals... birds as well... and so on.

Yes, it appears to be a naturally occuring disorder. As I said, genetic therapy should eliminate it.

Actually last I checked, there was no basis for the idea that homosexuality is any way related to genetics. Unless you have some new discovery on the topic I am unaware of.

The cause is ultimately unknown.

My theory is that homesexuality is more psychological, and deals more with the way our subconscious learns to relate people and genders to sexuality.  Its not something that can be changed easily, if at all. 

I personally am asexual and don't understand why people put so much emphasis on sex to begin with (Understand from a biological standpoint, not much more), let alone why someone would care about the gender another person has sex with.

The current scientific understanding is that it has a definite genetic component (or perhaps it's also a developmental thing based on in-utero hormones, which could make it at least in part, an epi-genetic thing). No, we can't (yet) point to a specific gene and say "that determines sexual preference", but it doesn't mean that it's not genetic, it just means that it's involving a whole bunch of genes, and probably epigenetics as well, which is another way of saying "the answer is messy".

It's been convincingly refuted that it's not a psychological thing. There have been cases where (for instance), a boy was surgically altered at birth because of a doctor mishap to have female equipment (as close as can be done). He grows up, prefering women, feeling to the core of his being that he's male, yet he's raised in all ways and functions in society as a female. Gets hormones at the appropriate age, wide hips, all the rest of the female puberty changes, yet still considers himself a straight male.... and in at least one semi-recent case commits suicide because of the cognitive dissonance.

As to understanding sex, it's like not being able to see the color green (because you're colorblind) and someone trying to describe it to you. You can get a rough understanding, but you can't really know what it feels like, not really. Trust me, sex and gender preference matters a lot (for non-asexuals). It's part of who we are, at least with current technology.

[Indylavi]

humes spork wrote...

To be fair, Garrus probably isn't the best potential homosexual LI in the Mass Effect universe. Not with that biometallic, mandibled, cuisinart turians call a mouth. That's right up there with vorcha on the list of places to not stick sensitive fleshy bits.

This is exactly why my Shepard has never Romanced him. I love Garrus but he is certainly in the friend zone with me. But I support the option being there for those that want it

[greggm2000]

humes spork wrote...

KingNewbs wrote...

Garrus is an established non-inter-species-relationist. Half of your attempts to romance him are met with "I hadn't thought about making it with a human before... let me get back to you." 

So, it's okay to turn a taurian into a human-sexual, but not a hetero into a ******-sexual?

To be fair, Garrus probably isn't the best potential homosexual LI in the Mass Effect universe. Not with that biometallic, mandibled, cuisinart turians call a mouth. That's right up there with vorcha on the list of places to not stick sensitive fleshy bits.

How do you kiss a Turian? ..... very carefully

[Andsmth85]

KingNewbs wrote...

Andsmth85 wrote...

If i do not want to see a crew member turn gay i should be able to state so without being labelled a homophobe , simple as that really .

No... if you do not want to see a crew member turn gay then don't romance that crew member. Just because the possibility is there doesn't mean it has to exist for you. Hell, in many people's games the gay romance is not possible because that crew member is dead. So, are you against crew members being dead in other people's games as well? Does that affect your game any more than Kaiden being gay? (is that even an option I have no idea).

Listen, it's not that anyone is labeling you a homophobe. You're just saying homophobic things (apparently without knowing it) and getting confused when people respond to them as if you realize what you are saying.

Cheers.

if i said that i disliked Kaiden , Cortez or the tech chick for being gay then i would be saying "homophobic things" i just said that i do not want to see GARRUS turn gay ( because i see him as my bro ) how in the world is am i saying anything homophobic here ? i guess you are anti straight for wanting him to be gay then ? lets not get ridiculous here .

bottom line is that we all have our preferences and are allowed to let them be known ( as long asthey are not offensive  ) . why is it ok for you ( or anyone ) to demand that Garrus be gay but its not Ok for the OP or me to demand that he stays straight ?
Gay people need to realize that NOT EVERYONE has an agenda against them which would make some of these issues totally avoidable .

[Amialis666]

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Modifié par Amialis666, 03 avril 2012 - 04:44 .

[Kingthlayer]

I have no problems with adding new gay characters to the mix, but I agree that characters shouldn't be changed. That was actually one of my major concerns coming into this game when I heard about a year ago or so that they were going to add SGR to the game. I thought they would go the DA2 route(which was horrible) and make everyone Bi. I'm glad they didn't do that.

I hope in future BioWare games they continue on this path, with unique gay, straight and bi romances. Though with Dragon Age, I'd prefer a Dwarf over anything else.

[NYDOCS]

Sawtooth357 wrote...

This one humbly insists on additional Hanar love interest offerings. The honorable Commander Shepard's of both sexes have not experienced true ecstasy until they have felt the gentle art of Hanar sensual massage.

This made my night!

[TripleLife]

Sinarion13 wrote...

And this is the problem. Future does not mean everyone going bissexual because it's just so "21st century".

What the OP is saying, and I agree, is that ****** and hetero should be integrated as part of the personalityh of the characters.

Applying a bissexual slate to everyone just for the sake of romance with both genders of player character is not something good in character driven games, imo.

Man, who cares?

Seriously, who is forcing you to gay sex Garrus? I really don't understand or care to understand about how bisexuality would destroy the integrity of video game characters. It's a stupid thing to get up in arms about. Romances are just some side stuff that shouldn't be that important except as a cool extra for people who like certain characters.

I'm not gay and I wouldn't play a gay Shepard, but I have no problem with other people having fun with a video game. That's what they're for.

[Unit-Alpha]

While I'm all for inclusion, having more than 50% of the possible romances being gay or bisexual seems a bit strange.

[Skybree]

this thread is almost as funny as the Tranvestite thread on Ashley a few days back. Seriously though OP, you have issues. get over yourself.

Kia Kaha
(and bring back land rights for gay whales)

[Andsmth85]

Syinn2988 wrote...

Andsmth85 wrote...

Syinn2988 wrote...

Andsmth85 wrote...

Don't see where the problem is here really , the Op doesnt want to see existing characters turned gay ( neither do i , Garrus is a bro and he should stay that way ) and its his right just like its your right to ask for the opposite , dont be so damned defensive all the time .

The difference between his way and the way it is now is that it is optional.

The op gets his way then its all fine and dandy no gay Garrus, but when everyone gets their way he says they shouldn't?

The way you state it in your post you come across with the impression that its canon for the character to be straight, when its all down to the player choice which is what ME is known for.

If a player decided they wanted a gay romance and you didnt, what right do you have to tell them otherwise when you get the choice to not chase this romance? It's not forced upon you.

If you re read my post you would realize that we are saying the same thing , i clearly stated that people who are into S/S romance have the right to ask for it but they are not the only ones with rights is ALL i am saying .

If i do not want to see a crew member turn gay i should be able to state so without being labelled a homophobe , simple as that really .

We may have similar posts but the matter of the fact is you'd rather not see him be gay like you've just said. These characters haven't been turned gay. The option is simply there, why you feel the need to express concerns about it baffles me.

Everyone has their own unqiue play through and choice as you well know. Where has it stated that Garrus is now offically gay and that it is canon that male shep and him are in a relationship?

The people saying that they have rights aren't saying that all characters should be gay are they? They simply state it should be an option.

I agree though i never said anything against people who support this , i merely said that the OP shouldnt be attacked for being opposed to the idea . do you not agree with that ?

[Torrible]

OP would be better off arguing that the Alliance colours should be red, not blue. At least the homosexual love interests can be avoided.

Modifié par Torrible, 03 avril 2012 - 04:49 .

[Arik7]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

While I'm all for inclusion, having more than 50% of the possible romances being gay or bisexual seems a bit strange.

Only femshep has over 50% s/s romance options.  And it is not strange, considering BioWare's target audience.    I'll give you a hint: it's not women.

[Syinn2988]

Andsmth85 wrote...

I agree though i never said anything against people who support this , i merely said that the OP shouldnt be attacked for being opposed to the idea . do you not agree with that ?

No the OP shouldn't be attacked, but how he worded his title and other posts did not help his topic/opinion in the slightest and the same for yourself (no offense) as i'm sure it wasn't your intention.

While i'm not being defensive about the subject, being sure of what one said before they say it would go a long way as these kind of topics as you can see lead astray and cause hassle for everyone.

If it helps with you and OP my Sheperd is straight and I see Garrus as a bro/buddy/mate/friend whatever! But I won't think or care otherwise if someone decides to romance him...I do see it being fair that they have that option though.

EDIT: Now that i think about it actually, during my play throughs with me3 not once have I been given that choice with Garrus. So if someone isn't intentionally going for it they won't see it anyway.

Modifié par Syinn2988, 03 avril 2012 - 05:03 .

[Amialis666]

greggm2000 wrote...

The current scientific understanding is that it has a definite genetic component (or perhaps it's also a developmental thing based on in-utero hormones, which could make it at least in part, an epi-genetic thing). No, we can't (yet) point to a specific gene and say "that determines sexual preference", but it doesn't mean that it's not genetic, it just means that it's involving a whole bunch of genes, and probably epigenetics as well, which is another way of saying "the answer is messy".

It's been convincingly refuted that it's not a psychological thing. There have been cases where (for instance), a boy was surgically altered at birth because of a doctor mishap to have female equipment (as close as can be done). He grows up, prefering women, feeling to the core of his being that he's male, yet he's raised in all ways and functions in society as a female. Gets hormones at the appropriate age, wide hips, all the rest of the female puberty changes, yet still considers himself a straight male.... and in at least one semi-recent case commits suicide because of the cognitive dissonance.

As to understanding sex, it's like not being able to see the color green (because you're colorblind) and someone trying to describe it to you. You can get a rough understanding, but you can't really know what it feels like, not really. Trust me, sex and gender preference matters a lot (for non-asexuals). It's part of who we are, at least with current technology.

Interesting, I had not heard of such cases.
The last case I had heard trying to give credit to the genetic things, was the twin studies, which was later found out to be cherry picked.

I will reevaluate my understanding of sexuality, in light of this.


I also like your comparison of asexality and being colorblind. It is very apt, I am incapable of understanding the motivations of those that see a certain color, because I am incapable of seeing said color.

Edit: Due my incapabilities I just fail to undertand what difference the gender a person decides to have sex with matters. Sex is just sex, and in my point of view, meaningless unless leads to reproduction...

Which renders most of the romance options meaningless, except mayble Liara's... I haven't seen all of romances, but I do remember Liara alluding to the fact she was pregnant... (Do other characters get pregnant as a result of your relationships?) 

Modifié par Amialis666, 03 avril 2012 - 05:07 .

[AwesomeDudex64]

 Game's already out.

[Arik7]

AwesomeDudex64 wrote...

 Game's already out.

Yes, but some fans have expressed reasonable concerns that Anderson and Garrus may be turned gay via the upcoming Alternate Ending DLC.

[thesnake777]

I did not mind what they did in ME3 with the gay LI's
I was concerned they would do another Da2 and make everyone Bi, which didn't make any sense to me. I thought they did it pretty well.

[Unit-Alpha]

Arik7 wrote...

AwesomeDudex64 wrote...

 Game's already out.

Yes, but some fans have expressed reasonable concerns that Anderson and Garrus may be turned gay via the upcoming Alternate Ending DLC.

...what?

Reasonable?

[Zoedoll]

I really don't understand why it would have been such a big deal to make Garrus be interested in male Shepards if the question arose. As it stands it's as if he's saying "I can get over the fact you have too many fingers, you have that weird hair stuff, your eyes are bizarrely huge and you lack armour plating, but I just can't get over which of the two traditional sets of genitalia for your species you have."